ctd'ing near dragon mounds

[phillipjohnmc]

i had posted in mod troubleshooting, but maybe it's more appropriate here. at any rate...I have a problem with ctd'ing near dragon mounds.

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Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
Ducks and Swans.esp
SkyUI_SE.esp
Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp
Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp
Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
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Hotsprings of Skyrim.esp
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RLO - Illuminated Spells.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
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Obsidian Mountain Fogs.esp
Winterhold.esp
RLO - Exteriors.esp
Eli_Breezehome.esp
OBIS SE.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
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Dawnstar Overhaul.esp
Man Those Borders!.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
WeightLessLegacyAll.esp
360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp
High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp
Populated Lands Roads Paths Legendary.esp
Holidays.esp
Point The Way.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
High Level Enemies.esp
More idle markers.esp
Better Vampire NPCs.esp
RSChildren.esp
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Yggdrasil Music.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
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Dogs-of-Skyrim.esp
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Cloaks.esp
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Immersive Horses.esp
Shor's Stone.esp
Cats-in-SkyrimSSE.esp
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icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
Animated Eating Redux.esp
Common Clothes and Armors.esp
Ivarstead.esp
Vigilant.esp
moresmelters.esp
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Provincial Courier Service.esp
FlowerGirls SE.esp
ElysiumEstate.esp
afewtreesinwhiterun.esp
Bells of Skyrim.esp
Landscape Fixes For Grass mods - Cutting Room Floor Locations.esp
Dragon Bridge.esp
NSUTR_bugfixes.esp
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The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
NSUTR_improvements.esp
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SkyrimIsWindy.esp
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Unique Uniques.esp
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Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
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Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
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Landscape Fixes For Grass mods - Alternate start Locations.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
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RWT Lod Fix.esp
SSEMerged.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

textures etc. (in reverse order):

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+Ultimate HD Fire Effects SSE
+Realistic Aspen Trees SE
+SLF Hair - Rough Hair - Lite 1K
+SSE - Skyrim Sun Enhanced
+Skyrim Flora Overhaul SE Trees Only v2.72a
+RUSTIC WINDOWS - Special Edition - 2K
+RUSTIC CLOTHING - Special Edition
+Pretty Sit Idle v1.41d
+High Poly Project v4.8
+Nordic Snow (aka HQ Snow Texture)
+Lockpicking Interface Redone
+LeanWolf's Better-Shaped Weapons - All in One Installer
+Immersive Animations
+Detailed Rugs
+NobleSkyrim - SMIM Patch
+Authentic Mountains and Rocks
+B. Noble Skyrim - FULL PACK Performance Edition
+Ruins Clutter Improved
+ELECTRIFY S.E
+D13 Faster Get Up Stand Up SSE
+Common Clothes and Armors - 1k Textures
+Better MessageBox Controls
+Better Males Erect - Update Addon
+Better Males Remesh for Skyrim SE
+Better Falmer Cave Ceiling Glow
+Better Dialogue Controls
+Battle Ready Candlelight Fixes
+Ash Pile Retexture Version 2 Fire Glow

 

I had maybe 2-3 mods that I removed and then cleaned save with resaver. maybe this issue is baked into my save. if anyone has a fix, i'm all ears. I've gone with Delphine to kynesgrove without problems. the particular mound is on the way to rorikstead from whiterun, just to the right of the road near the falkreath/markarth junctions

(I've also cleaned masters/sorted with loot and all that from the beginning. i'm seeing multiple lines of this at end of papyrus log, not sure what it means or if it's a prob...Error: Cannot call StartCombat() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
[ (FF000EA2)].WitchlightActorScript.OnDying() - "WitchlightActorScript.psc" Line 106
[01/27/2019 - 01:40:37AM])

[jjb54]

The mound you are talking about is part of the Alduin encounters where Alduin resurrect a dragon.

 

Now, the problem is: I'm guessing you are using SKSE 64?

 

IF YES:

 

Make sure that ALL the mods you are using are compatible with it? I say this, because I had some mods that were NOT and thus caused CTD's around various areas that the mods related to. Thus, I do not use SKSE 64 yet .... I'm waiting for 4 specific mods that used SKSE for Oldrim and are ' .. not there yet, as they are not comfortable with SKSE 64 yet. '.

 

So just make sure your mods are indeed SKSE 64 friendly, even if they do NOT use it, they might have scripts that SKSE is picking up on, that it should not.

[phillipjohnmc]

thanks for responding. yes i use skse64. so i have a lot of checking to do. i use 150+ mods. should I only check the ones that use scripts? i wonder if there's a way to troubleshoot, for example, loading the game up through the regular launcher and not through skse64, then running around the mound, see if it crashes. if it doesn't, then that's a good clue. if it does, then i'll sigh and keep trying lol

[phillipjohnmc]

playing without skse64 enabled didn't help. oh well, it doesn't crash if i don't walk near it, so i'll live it for now and keep searching...

[jjb54]

playing without skse64 enabled didn't help. oh well, it doesn't crash if i don't walk near it, so i'll live it for now and keep searching...

 

Did you start a brand new clean game?

 

If you did not, this test would not work .... sorry.

 

. o O ( Speaking from too many personal experiences on this one! :wink: )

 

And no, any and all mods could be the problem child and/or it could be more than 1.

 

Basically this is what you should do:

 

Turn OFF all MODS - ( DLC's are not mods. ) -

 

Then go to the dragon mound in question to insure that all is good before you turn on 1 mod at a time.

 

Save the game at the mound and * MAKE A BACK UP COPY OF IT * ( The clean save ... ) just in case you save over it. Again, a clean save with zero mods installed.

 

Then add 1 mod at a time, first starting w/those that are not SKSE dependent, but do NOT save the game, just exit without saving, add the next mod, load and repeat, until the problem comes up.

 

Hope this helps ... and yes, I totally understand that this is indeed a P.I.T.A. ... but sadly there is no easy path / route to take.

 

. o O ( Again, speaking from too many personal experiences on this one! :wink: )

[phillipjohnmc]

thanks for the detailed method. i have done that method before, to discover why, with a dawnstar overhaul, there were big gaps in the land in the northwest corner (i found out it was immersive citizens; load dawnstar overhaul after IC and all was good).

 

i haven't done this method for the dragon mound ctds. i did run around a dragon mound near kynesgrove. sort of directly south of windhelm and in that marshy area. i didn't ctd. and, i killed the dragon near the mound by the falkreath/markarth crossroads mound in whiterun hold, where I was having ctds, and so that mound might be OK now. not feeling up to a big PITA for just this. damn it I wish there were a program that would just tell you...this is your skyrim problem, this is your skyrim solution. oh well.

Edited February 1, 2019 by phillipjohnmc

[jjb54]

thanks for the detailed method. i have done that method before, to discover why, with a dawnstar overhaul, there were big gaps in the land in the northwest corner (i found out it was immersive citizens; load dawnstar overhaul after IC and all was good).

 

i haven't done this method for the dragon mound ctds. i did run around a dragon mound near kynesgrove. sort of directly south of windhelm and in that marshy area. i didn't ctd. and, i killed the dragon near the mound by the falkreath/markarth crossroads mound in whiterun hold, where I was having ctds, and so that mound might be OK now. not feeling up to a big PITA for just this. damn it I wish there were a program that would just tell you...this is your skyrim problem, this is your skyrim solution. oh well.

 

True story - 2013:

 

I had some floating land mass West of Whiterun.

 

I first tried all the " common sense " mods and ZERO. The floating land mass was still there.

 

So I finally turned OFF all my mods and when with the P.I.T.A. 1 @ a Time mod.

 

It was the strangest thing: A very simple house mod in Winterhold was the issue. This mod was just a ' warm up ' mod, had no real frills, just bed, fireplace and cooking spit. It was not intended to be a " home ".

 

Turned the mod off, land mass gone. Turned it back on, Land Mass was there. Brought it up with the Mod Author in the forum and sure enough, those using this mod all had the same issue, even the creator. But no one thought it would / could be this mod. The creator had to pull it, as he could not figure out what he had done and thus could not fix it. :(

 

Good Luck!

[phillipjohnmc]

the mod author may have clicked something in whiterun accidentally and moved it, although that means they would have loaded that cell for some reason, even though they were in winterhold. it's very easy to move things in ck without realising it.