Mafia Mod

[TodaY]

If you still need interior/exterior desinger I might have some time left

LOl I like this idea a real lot

[stroytika]

the revised concept or the original?

[ILikeFudge]

Here's the idea: Remember the DB quest ''The Assasinated Man''? Valtieri tells you that Mottiere borrowed money from ''wrong kind of people,and they want him dead'' I think this may be the thing you are looking for...

[stroytika]

Great point. but exactly who are those wrong kind of people.

Whether from a historical perspective, or from a lore friendly one who would have been running control Rackets in those Eras. i know that Yakuza were in existence at that time (i think), but thats not the model i would say works best.

 

this is the first piece of historical info i could find.

http://www.uhh.hawaii.edu/academics/hohonu/writing.php?id=77

"Certain members of the English gentry even graduated from brigandage to organized crime. The problem of criminal gangs was especially acute in the early years of the reign of Edward III. Robber barons such as Thomas de Lisle the Bishop of Ely and Sir John Molyns exploited their aristocratic power in order to run personal criminal enterprises. Criminal gangs such as the Folvilles and the Coterels had free reign over a large part of the country. These were no common criminals but "gentlemen," probably the younger sons of landed gentry, who, when they were not committing crimes such as robbery, extortion, and murder, often by hire, were serving in Edward III's wars in Scotland and France while holding public office as bailiffs and even ministers of parliament"

 

So Organized Crime in the middle ages (at least england) Did in fact include extortion, and was based off of the nobility//crooked Government officials.

 

"In another instance, Robert le Sauvage sent an ultimatum to William Amyas, Mayor of Nottingham and the second richest man in town to pay the societatis of gentz sauvages a sum of 20 � or have all his holdings outside of Nottingham burned to the ground"

 

This would be the style of extortion related to medieval settings. of course anything can be adapted for a game like oblivion, lol (within the limits of the modders skill and the CS)

[kieranfoy]

Well, you do have to consider that Cyrodiil isn't Medieval England. There are some similarities, certainly, but they're hardly the same society at all.

[stroytika]

Thats Very True Kier, a good point.

What im trying to say is that the Gameplay mechanics to make the mod are there. but its not worth making (imo) if you can't attach it to lore. do you have any ideas on the concept?

 

also a mod like this would kick butt for ills Elsweyr mod. (just a thought)

[kieranfoy]

Well, there exist certain gangs that contol criminal elements. Some are foreign, like the Renrija Krin, a group of Khajiit skooma smugglers and rebels; and soem are local, like the Orum Gang, a group of Orcish thugs. Many are composed of minoirty groups denied fair work by the Imperials, who frankly are a bunch of specist and racist jerks.

[stroytika]

after looking some of those up the Renrija krin + city takeover concept seems feasible in leyawin (or definately in elsweyr).

according to the uesp wiki (i know you probably know this) these are their 'rules' (ie: 5 tenants, Khajiit edition)

Vaba Do'Shurh'do: It Is Good To Be Brave

Vaba Maaszi Lhajiito: It Is Necessary To Run Away

Fusozay Var Var: Enjoy Life

Fusozay Var Dar: Kill Without Qualm

Ahzirr Durrarriss: We Give Freely To The People

Ahzirr Traajijazeri: We Justly Take By Force

but they seem more like a rebelist//insurgent group than a mob. it could be cored around the PC creating a new wing of the Renrija Krin that is to 'fund their liberation efforts in the niben bay region'.

[kieranfoy]

's an idea, but personally I'd advise leaving the Renrijja Krin aside, as they're a Khajiit only group, and utterly unlikely to accept non-Khajjot, which the P.C. may very well be. Better to just make up a new gang; Sithis knows criminal gangs seem a part of Cyrodilic life.

[ILikeFudge]

So I assume the Cammona Tong is excluded as well,since it's Dunmer only gang?And what about all those marauders scattered around Cyrodiil-any chance of organizing them and giving them one ''Godfatherlike'' leader?