Freeze-on-exit with any out of a number of unrelated mods

[FMod]

After my last install failed after reinstalling the OS, I've been very cautious with mods this time. No merging the Strip, no wall removal, nothing heavy except for the essentials such as PN. Everything was installed with Vortex, it's managing the load order as well. Wrye Flash only used for diagnostics. I've got 78 ES* files running fine so far.

 

However, installing any out of a number of unrelated mods causes a freeze-on-exit problem.

(The game can only be ended by win+tab and a task manager on a new desktop. Alt+F4 makes it worse, have to sign out.)

 

The mods in question include:

https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/48863 (Penguin Remodels---Boulder City)

https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/49695 (Novac Public Library) - both original and self esp-ified version

 

Also had this with https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/52581 - but only base version, not EC (have EC installed). So narrowed it down to the two above. I'm sure there's a lot more that will cause the same problem.

 

That's 3 mods that do almost nothing but change a few cells. These look too unconnected to be problems on their own.

Experiment 1: Activating just the "problem mods" and nothing else works fine. No FOE.

Experiment 2: Activating 5 extra random plugins (total 83 ES*) caused no problem. Merging mods didn't solve the problem. So it's not just total mod count.

Experiment 3: Disabling EC and ILO does not remove the issue.

 

So this looks like some compatibility issue, but... I have no idea what could be messing with what in this order. Sure, EC and ILO mess with everything, but removing them doesn't help. I can totally live without these mods, but I'm concerned that it's a symptom of a worse problem that will mess with other mods.

 

Any idea what it could be? What direction to look into?

 

 

Active Mod Files:

 

00  FalloutNV.esm  [CRC: 26D5B980]
01  DeadMoney.esm  [CRC: D70F165B]
02  HonestHearts.esm  [CRC: 2352B189]
03  OldWorldBlues.esm  [CRC: 7F8F8225]
04  LonesomeRoad.esm  [CRC: 30073D50]
05  GunRunnersArsenal.esm  [CRC: 0AAC938D]
06  ClassicPack.esm  [CRC: 41F95714]
07  MercenaryPack.esm  [CRC: D377B2B9]
08  TribalPack.esm  [CRC: 0DE09873]
09  CaravanPack.esm  [CRC: 228740D1]
0A  YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm  [CRC: 2E0991C7]
0B  ACES - Casino Data Extension.esm  [CRC: 3F9BA785]
0C  Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm  [Version 6.9.0]  [CRC: 2B1102F9]
0D  IWR.esm  [CRC: 5B668AA2]
0E  ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm  [CRC: EC7EB1BE]
0F  SaxxonsQuestPack.esm  [CRC: DF6EFEF5]
10  Less Empty Primm.esp  [CRC: 34F4D6DF]
11  The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm  [Version 107]  [CRC: 7D80DE01]
12  More Traits.esm  [Version 1.0.0]  [CRC: 820E087D]
13  Project Nevada - Core.esm  [CRC: 2345512B]
14  More Perks.esm  [CRC: 28CE3B92]
15  FCOMaster.esm  [CRC: D8252B38]
16  oHUD.esm  [CRC: 279B63E9]
17  Project Nevada - Equipment.esm  [CRC: 2B4F3224]
18  Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp  [CRC: E22291D8]
19  Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp  [CRC: 2E724F8C]
1A  Project Nevada - Extra Options.esm  [CRC: AB2F211D]
1B  Interior Lighting Overhaul - L38PS.esm  [Version 1.1]  [CRC: 60C4877D]
1C  YUP - NPC Fixes (Base Game + All DLC).esp  [CRC: 30286109]
1D  Base items.esp  [CRC: 7C6CA697]
1E  Hardcore Needs Adjusted.esp  [CRC: B52E10EF]
1F  MassRecalibration.esp  [Version 2]  [CRC: B79CDC5F]
20  Mark and Recall.esp  [CRC: 37DF6B74]
21  ExtendedNVRadio.esp  [CRC: 5188930F]
22  FCO - NPC Changes.esp  [CRC: 0FFAA819]
23  Vurt's WFO.esp  [CRC: 31B1B874]
24  BTB - Beyond the Borders.esp  [CRC: AEECD948]
25  NiptonRebuilt.esp  [CRC: D6AA660B]
26  Primm Reborn.esp  [CRC: 480E0AAB]
27  MJVEOutpost.esp  [CRC: 4D71F416]
28  outsidebets.esp  [CRC: 270E2BFD]
29  Novac Reborn.esp  [CRC: 95879E69]
2A  More Perks Update.esp  [CRC: B6C3123B]
2B  ACES - Casino Overhaul.esp  [CRC: 4387782C]
2C  Project Nevada - Rebalance Complete.esp  [CRC: 5A9BCC6D]
2D  Project Nevada - All DLC.esp  [CRC: AEE75381]
2E  EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp  [CRC: 6C17EC3E]
2F  WeaponModsExpanded.esp  [CRC: 92A9B6AD]
30  Goodsprings Reborn.esp  [CRC: 1538A484]
31  More Traits Update.esp  [CRC: 62C8F5A5]
32  WMX-DLCMerged.esp  [CRC: B8E04023]
33  ACES - Extra Slots.esp  [CRC: A2DA4223]
34  NV_STTraitsandPerks - NVSE.esp  [CRC: A0F97819]
35  DYNAVISION 3.esp  [CRC: 9F6EDF5F]
36  FCO - The New Bison Steve.esp  [CRC: 86FB3708]
37  Project Nevada - Cyberware Additions.esp  [CRC: BBFBAFD5]
38  The Mod Configuration Menu.esp  [Version 1.5]  [CRC: ACBFF898]
39  WMX-EVE-AllDLCMerged.esp  [CRC: 4256050B]
3A  ILO - YUP Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]  [CRC: 9E34DA2D]
3B  CASM with MCM.esp  [CRC: C000DBE2]
3C  IWR - Rebuilt.esp  [CRC: C141CBD1]
3D  CourierCacheWSE.esp  [CRC: D6957F21]
3E  Goodsprings Filler.esp  [CRC: 52E822F2]
3F  WorkingCrimsonCaravanTraders.esp  [CRC: 5A98F21F]
40  Radiation Radio.esp  [CRC: 7E7459EA]
41  OldWorldRadio.esp  [CRC: AC42984B]
42  myradio.esp  [CRC: 8725BB31]
43  mojave music radio expanded v1.1.esp  [CRC: 76342D3C]
44  Ultra Luxe Fountain Cut Content.esp  [CRC: 36C3353E]
45  Radio Free Wasteland.esp  [Version 1.0]  [CRC: FB058042]
46  Cyber Crown Radio.esp  [CRC: 8B33E73E]
47  WMX-ModernWeapons.esp  [CRC: 3556EA2A]
48  WMX-POPMerged.esp  [CRC: 852FA7C2]
49  Conelrad 640-1240.esp  [CRC: B8E7A2BF]
4A  R.A.C.E. Station.esp  [CRC: 3280F4E7]
4B  CaravanOverhaulCompilation.esp  [CRC: 5733D03B]
4C  FCO - OHSB NPC Edits.esp  [CRC: 6CFD2C0F]
4D  Base_Tweaks.esp  [CRC: 592B2EC5]

 

 

NVSE DLL: NVAC, MCM, JIP_NVSE, UI_Organizer. No ENB. 4G-enabled Steam exe.

System is W10 1809, Z390/9900k/64/1080Ti*2, no OC, almost new W10 install. Not even Alchemy.

Edited March 8, 2019 by FMod

[dubiousintent]

The following entries in the wiki 'Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting' guide specifically address known Win10 problems:

* 'Issue: NVSE - fails to load after update KB4058043 to Win10 FCU (v1709)'
* 'Issue: Incomplete save game load' (NVSR related)
* 'Issue: Vanilla game Hangs on startup'; specifically "Cause-1" regarding DirectX9 drivers.
* 'Issue: "Full screen mode" exhibits CTDs and stutters or micro-stutters'
* 'Issue: Recent (post-Win10 FCU) CTDs after 10-20 minutes of play' (NVSR related)
* 'Issue: Lag or "micro stutters" even with "New Vegas Stutter Remover" installed (or not)'. In particular "Cause-4" regarding video card settings. The latest video drivers may not be the best suited to an older game like FNV. All vendors drop testing of old games at some point. Backwards compatibility is never guaranteed, much less "optimization".
Also, "Cause-7" regarding "Superfetch" and "File search indexing". Windows updates will often reset these back on.
* 'Issue: Win10 Screen tearing in "Borderless Windowed Mode"'
* 'Issue: ENB Support for Windows versions later than Win7'
* 'Issue: Problems using ENB/SweetFx on Windows 10'

* Did you install Steam to it's default location? If so, please see the wiki "Installing Games on Windows Vista+" article for why the original default Steam behavior of installing games to the "C:\Program Files" or "C:\Program Files(x86)" folder tree was bad (they learned better, and don't do that any more); and why "disabling UAC and running as Administrator" is NOT sufficient, with instructions how to move it. This is the single most important thing you can do to fix and protect yourself against problems in the future. As much of a PITA as that is, it's never going to be any easier than now. System updates often cause issues with games installed to these folder trees. Please see the 'Restoring to "Vanilla"' section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article as well.

* You really need to use a "Merge Patch File" with that collection of mods. Please see the 'Third Rule: The Rule of One' and 'Merge Patch File' sections of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article.

* If you add any VWD/LOD textures (such as NMC, Vurt's WFO, or Ojo Bueno), please see the 'Checklist Item #15 & 16' entries in the wiki "Fallout NV Mod Conflict Troubleshooting" guide regarding the need to run both TES4LL and FNVLODGen. Also recommend you read the 'LOD/VWD Texture Packs' section of the wiki "FNV General Mod Use Advice" article first.

-Dubious-