TG02 Loud and Clear Will Not Initiate

[vaknathi]

I know there are at least two, maybe more, topics for this, but so far, no one's answered any, so I'm starting a new one to see if I get ANY suggestions at all.

 

The second thieves' guild quest, Loud and Clear, ID TG02, will not initiate. Once I've talked to Brynjolf at the end of Taking Care of Business, that quest completes, but the next does not start. Brynjolf gets up, walks into the Ragged Flaggon Cistern, but when I enter, I'm tresspassing, and in a minute everyone, including Brynjolf, becomes hostile.

 

This happened in the last playthrough, I quit because I could not get around the problem. This time I've done everything I could think of or was suggested around the place, I've listened to everything Brynjolf says all the way through, and let him finish his Falmer-Blood Elixer speech. The only thing I can imagine is that I did leave Riften between completing the introductory quest and going to find Brynjolf in the Ragged Flagon, but I've played through the TG questline twice before, and had no trouble, and I'm sure I've left the city between, even in the middle of quests, before.

 

I've tried bringing the quest up through the console, but the commands setstage TG02 (stage whatever - I've used all of them, even the one to complete the quest), but will not work, they do nothing at all, while I can reset and setstage for the previous two TG quests. I tried reseting both TG01 and TG00, it resets Brynjolf's dialogue, but not his position in the market, and Brand-Shei doesn't show up either.

 

I can't think of any mods I have that could be causing it. I don't have a lot relating to the thieves' guild, only some armour fixes. Is there any reason Ultimate Follower Overhaul or Ace Speech might cause a problem? I'd have expected rather more people getting the bug if they were? I've the Unofficial Patch and my game is up-to-date official patch-wise, but I don't have Dawnguard yet.

 

Does anyone have any ideas, suggestions, wild guesses?

[vaknathi]

OK, follow up, for anyone who comes looking.

 

After getting this for the third time, I did some more digging around the forums, tried some different search terms, and all that, and came up with a few mods that might be interferring, particularly what I think is called 7k Better Whiterun. When I deactivated this mod, TG02 Loud and Clear initiated perfectly. I didn't even have to redo the previous quests, just reloaded the autosave on entering the Ragged Flagon to speak to Brynjold to complete TG01 Taking Care of Business. I can't think of any reason why a mod building up Whiterun would affect the Thieves' Guild quest line and even cause console commands not to work, but then I don't know what the mod-author might have done in the background. I will try to remember to make a bug-report to that mod later (it's nearly 1am and I'm going to bed once I post this). Of course it might not work for everyone, but hopefully this will be of use to someone.

[NagualAmaru]

Sorry i didn't see this sooner to help you out. If you want to keep that mod you can uncheck the RR interior esp for that mod & it will fix your quest problems but leave everything but the interiors of the mod installed. That is the route i took & it works perfectly.

[AxiosMoirai]

Finally i find the fix! thanks a lot to both of you guys for figuring this one out.

[DillonBic]

well i don't have the mod listed above still not sure why its broken

[andyg65]

Thanks for the info & the fix of deselecting RRWhiterunInt.esp, did this and the Loud & Clear quest now works!!

 

The 7K Better Whiterun was the problem for me as well & I've link some other posts back to this and added an entry on the UESP.net wiki page . I note there is now some discussion about this mod on it's nexus post page asking about bugs as another modder would like to try and fix it.