xa1022 Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Well before I start, I am a diehard democrat. Now I am voting obama, and everyone that I know is voting for obama. Im just wondering who all out there thinks that Obama is the antichrist. Or how many people have head this. Either way, it all started from his rival runner, McCain. He started the ad called "The one" Which was all about showing the similarity's between obama, moses, and the antichrist from the popular Left Behind series. The thing is, I did some research, and well the bible states that when the antichrist comes, he will be unknown to the world. This means in turn, that people thinking obama is the antichrist just means that hes not. Think about it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanodai Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Except that Obama hates America. Though, I can't stand McCain either. He's the Al Gore of the Republican party. I'll probably just write some one in, or vote for Ron Paul. -T- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xa1022 Posted September 25, 2008 Author Share Posted September 25, 2008 He dosent hate America, where do you get your information from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Slyther Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 How do you expect for us to pay for the gas prices when Obama says no to gas companies? Well, it's your decision. I got my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoogieMonster Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 These threads always degenerate into slander, baseless arguments, flaming and ranting. And since this one is already off track after just a few posts, I suggest we go ahead and stop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Slyther Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Well I ain't getting involved with any arguments nor religious debates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landsknecht Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 During the Democratic primaries (at the beginning of the whole thing), the only two I did not like were Obama and Clinton. (Full Disclosure: I liked Kucinich and Richardson for the Dems and Ron Paul for the GOP. In my primary (Libertarian) I voted for Mike Jingozian). With the current situation of candidates, I am 90% sure I will be voting for McKinney since I cannot get over Barr's vote for the Patriot Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanodai Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 How do you expect for us to pay for the gas prices when Obama says no to gas companies? Well, it's your decision. I got my own.Except that there's almost nothing that the government will do about it. The latest is that Congress has recenlty passed legislation to curb energy speculation. But oil refineries are operating at 66.7% capacity. There is a forceful market manipulation from investors by dumping huge amounts of money into oil futures, and from the refineries themselves. This latest shortage is completely manufactured. There's no shortage of crude, anywhere. Just less is being refined. The only way to change that is to take a very unconstitutional stance to force oil companies to refine more oil. We can stop oil futures manipulation though by eliminating energy speculation altogether. So, there's nothing Obama, McCain or anyone else can do about gas prices, except we, the consumer by refusing to purchase it. -T- Edit: I give you this and this as food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landsknecht Posted September 25, 2008 Share Posted September 25, 2008 Except that there's almost nothing that the government will do about it. The latest is that Congress has recenlty passed legislation to curb energy speculation. But oil refineries are operating at 66.7% capacity. There is a forceful market manipulation from investors by dumping huge amounts of money into oil futures, and from the refineries themselves. This latest shortage is completely manufactured. There's no shortage of crude, anywhere. Just less is being refined. The only way to change that is to take a very unconstitutional stance to force oil companies to refine more oil. We can stop oil futures manipulation though by eliminating energy speculation altogether Absolutely correct, the high (US perspective) gas prices are caused by a lack of refining capacity and oil being a manipulated market. The manipulation comes from the refiners (they have an oligopoly and can not refine at fully capacity to drive up the price) and the OPEC (a cartel which controls the amount of crude oil pumped, and therefore, control that price) countries. Speculators have little impact on the price. Speculation is simply a sophisticated word for hoarding, and it is extremely difficult, and Draconian, to eliminate hoarders. It is also important to keep in mind that speculators have to sell what they are hoarding to make money, which means that the when these "evil" oil speculators sell their commodities, oil prices will go down because the sale of the oil by the speculators will put more oil on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanodai Posted September 26, 2008 Share Posted September 26, 2008 Absolutely correct, the high (US perspective) gas prices are caused by a lack of refining capacity and oil being a manipulated market.There is no lack of refining capacity. Refineries in the US are operating at 66.7% capacity. That's an engineered shortage. Speculators have little impact on the price.Except that the market only started to drop AFTER investors had pulled $33 billion from the oil futures market. Granted, the weak dollar doesn't help, but manipulation from both sides is keeping gasoline prices high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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