myrmaad Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 To put it simply, right now we are fighting against terrorists, and Israel has the guts (more than we have, also considering their situation) to fight back, and they take action. In my opinion that makes them our greatest ally right now. It doesn't mean I think any less of Britain. I know they are fighting with us, but Israel is doing more, and logically so because of their location. Sure, it's not fair, but that's where they are, that's what they do, and because of my political position, I see them as our greatest ally right now. But like I said, I don't want to argue about opinions.If Israel actually had "guts" they would fight their own battles instead of expecting handouts of billions of dollars in aid, weapons, and equipment, and the back up of their "big bully brother". They are fighting a people who are in abject poverty, with US money, not their own. My own opinion is that your opinion is extremely naive and nescient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephanie Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Well before I start, I am a diehard democrat. Now I am voting obama, and everyone that I know is voting for obama. Im just wondering who all out there thinks that Obama is the antichrist. Or how many people have head this. Either way, it all started from his rival runner, McCain. He started the ad called "The one" Which was all about showing the similarity's between obama, moses, and the antichrist from the popular Left Behind series. The thing is, I did some research, and well the bible states that when the antichrist comes, he will be unknown to the world. This means in turn, that people thinking obama is the antichrist just means that hes not. Think about it.... The statements above are the biggest joke I've heard all day. I think you're trying to make more from 'rumors' than is actually there. Obama should win or lose on his own merit, not some trumped up media event. Obama is definitely inexperienced and has no leadership qualities at all. He needs to sit quietly in the senate 10-15 more years and gain the experience required of a President .. then make an attempt to be one. "Diehard Democrat" .. to me, means that you support High taxes, High unemployment, hate free enterprise, stifle business, want to ban guns, just can't stand to see someone 'get ahead' without a government handout, want the government to be involved in all aspects of everyone's life, and generally want total government control of everything and everyone from cradle to grave. That's been done before. It's called "Socialism", and it always fails. You have my sympathy (but not my vote) sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skolhamarr Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 As American we forget who helps us gain our independence, France was there to help us. Actually, if you'll remember: The Great War, WW2, and Vietnam all happened in the last hundred years. After which, De Gaulle moved away from the US and tried to establish France as its own power. Although, to be honest, it was the French Monarchy that supported the American Revolution - not France per se . . . But anyway, you might want to think a bit more about your claim p.s. - For a bonus point, where did some of the money for Napoleon's wars come from? -(Louisiana Purchase: Sold to finance France's military)- :thumbsup:Ethre yes you are right about some of that... I do agreee taking back my claim that France is counted in American greatest ally race. In America history the French Monarchy support the US in it time of need. woo getting to the facts of the last 60 years yes France isn't a good ally just like Israel. Now you can not say in ww2 that french underground did help the allies, De Gaulle on the other hand wow not much to say there. Louisiana purchase, but who owned before France Cynster you are forgetting how the British have fought terrorism for over 70-80 years Irish Republican Army. Northern Ireland was a war zone for long time, IRA used tactics, much like the terrorist are in Israel, Iraq and all over the world. Israel is the cause of most of much of hatred of the West and most all the US. myrmaadIf we talk about just force on the Ground then Israel is a no show. Israel's military intelligence extremely valuable, it is a little questionable about WMD in Iraq. But more offend then not, they have more intel, than we do about this area. More than one fact why israel does not come to our aid out right. Because we need our arab allies more, they will not stand for Israel to be there. the UN Coalition Troops In iraq: Nicaragua (Feb. 2004); Spain (late-Apr. 2004); Dominican Republic (early-May 2004); Honduras (late-May 2004); Philippines (~Jul. 19, 2004); Thailand (late-Aug. 2004); New Zealand (late Sep. 2004); Tonga (mid-Dec. 2004) Portugal (mid-Feb. 2005); The Netherlands (Mar. 2005); Hungary (Mar. 2005); Singapore (Mar. 2005); Norway (Oct. 2005); Ukraine (Dec. 2005); Japan (July 17, 2006); Italy (Nov. 2006); Slovakia (Jan 2007). Oh look no Israel Now Afghanistan it is Nato but under UN mandates: Albania, Armenia, Australia, New Zealand, Kingdom of Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belgium, Canada, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt , France 2002 Italy 2002, Germany 2002 Turkey and over 50 more Nations. Still Israel can not be found in either Current war. Some those nation are doing nothing more than letting us use their airspace, ports, waters.. Russia supplied field hospitals, Czech Republic Training tool and supplies..... God knows we could have used the Israeli Training skills of the Afghans forces Gulf war 1993Coalition force that sent combat units: Saudi Arabia United Kingdom Egypt France Syria Morocco Kuwait Oman Pakistan United Arab Emirates Qatar Bangladesh Canada Italy Australia Netherlands Niger Senegal Spain Bahrain Belgium Afghanistan Argentina Czechoslovakia Greece Poland South Korea Philippines New Zealand Denmark Hungary Norway. Still no Israel, but the reality of that is the arab nation would not have aided US. Israel's military intelligence extremely valuable I will not even going there Vietnam..... Korean War 1950UN force/ Coalition Israel was founded in 1948 they get pass on this war..... I dough they would have even gave support if they had it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrmaad Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 myrmaadIf we talk about just force on the Ground then Israel is a no show. No. you have completely confused/misconstrued my meaning. The question was, is there an argument that can be made that Israel has demonstrated great alliance (perhaps even greatest alliance) with the US. The answer has nothing to do with GROUND FORCES. The answer is the case can only be made when looking at UN VOTING RECORDS. period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethre Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Now you can not say in ww2 that french underground did help the allies Uhhh, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I think the french underground was great help against the Germans. Plenty of sabotage (terrorism if you were on the German side), which proved handy in distracting German manpower and resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michlo Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Thanks for (most) of the responses there. It helped calm me down and realize that Cynster has no idea what she is talking about and should either just shut up or do some research before making such upsetting claims. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skolhamarr Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Now you can not say in ww2 that french underground did help the allies Plenty of sabotage (terrorism if you were on the German side), which proved handy in distracting German manpower and resources. We will put into more focused area, really just the France itself. The french underground played some role in either undermining German forces, or collecting intel on said German force in or around Normandy. Before joint allied forces landed, in France. Some British an American pilot owned their lives to french underground for finding before the Germans did. So yes, for that limit amount of time they where an asset to the Allies by as you have already stated Ethre. Distraction, Sabotage, manpower and resource which might otherwise be used against the allies. Michlo your proud of your country, history and heritage. Not get off topic, but Michlo what are your views on BNP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethre Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Ah, my apologies Forsaken Epicentre - I believe I have misinterpreted your comment? When I read your comment, I thought you were implying that the French Resistance was useless to the Allies. You mean to say that the French Underground was a help, correct? In that case than I fully agree with you. :) (I know the English usage of double negatives can be confusing for non-native speakers - which I assume you are) Michlo: I think you are misinterpreting Cynster's comments. I do not believe she is deriding British participation and support, but rather that she feels that Israel has made larger contributions intelligence wise than has Britain (which would be expected, given the reach of Mossad and Aman), as Forsaken stated. They are fighting a people who are in abject poverty, with US money, not their own.Myrmaad: The general populace may be in poverty, but they do not finance their own fights either. Plenty of money and a heck of a lot of weapons get poured in from various "organizations" (and governments). Oil money can buy lots of nice "toys" that do nasty things towards Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michlo Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Ah, my apologies Forsaken Epicentre - I believe I have misinterpreted your comment? When I read your comment, I thought you were implying that the French Resistance was useless to the Allies. You mean to say that the French Underground was a help, correct? In that case than I fully agree with you. :) (I know the English usage of double negatives can be confusing for non-native speakers - which I assume you are) Michlo: I think you are misinterpreting Cynster's comments. I do not believe she is deriding British participation and support, but rather that she feels that Israel has made larger contributions intelligence wise than has Britain (which would be expected, given the reach of Mossad and Aman), as Forsaken stated. They are fighting a people who are in abject poverty, with US money, not their own.Myrmaad: The general populace may be in poverty, but they do not finance their own fights either. Plenty of money and a heck of a lot of weapons get poured in from various "organizations" (and governments). Oil money can buy lots of nice "toys" that do nasty things towards Israel. Ethre, nowhere did she mention intelligence. Her stance is that Israel is the U.S. "greatest ally". THAT is what I take offense to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethre Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 True, however I was stating my interpretation of her comments - which is that she was referring more towards intelligence, and perhaps to Israel's more rapid response to certain events. Personally, I am not certain I like the term "strongest ally," because it implies (again, my interpretation) that a nation can only value one ally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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