Broken Landscapes

[urthman]

I've found a couple tears in the world. I've got all the Unique Landscapes installed, so I'm guesing maybe these are caused by other mods conflicting with UL?

 

The first one is due north of the Arcane Academy. Not sure if there's a UL covering this area, and I can't think of any other mod that would be affecting this area. Could it be Oonas causing this?

[urthman]

The second one is much larger. It seems to be a conflict between White Torches Great Oak Manor mod and something else. UL? It's the area between Great Oak Manor and Hircine's Shrine.

[urthman]

Here's a couple more shots of that second conflict.

 

Any ideas of what's causing these conflicts? I can probably fix the second one by uninstalling Great Oak Manor (which would be a shame because it's cool).

 

No idea what to do to fix the first one, though.

[ianfreddie07]

Look for compatibility patches in those mods. If you can't find any, trash UL or the mod that causes the conflict.

[myrmaad]

Look for compatibility patches in those mods. If you can't find any, trash UL or the mod that causes the conflict.

 

 

Play around with your load orders, too. I don't use those landscape mods specifically because they wreak havok with so many other mods.

[urthman]

I've installed all the UL compatibility patches available for the mods I have installed.

 

mymaad, any suggestions about load orders? Should UL go first or last?

 

I forgot to post my mod list. Maybe someone will see something that might be causing one of the conflicts:

 

Oblivion.esm

Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

CM Partners.esm

Easy_Companion_Share.esm

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

Mart's Monster Mod.esm

TamrielTravellers.esm

FCOM_Convergence.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp

Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch-MOBS-FCOM.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp

FCOM_Francescos.esp

FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp

FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp

Fran Armor Add-on.esp

Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp

Advanced_Water_Modification-2734.esp

CM Partners.esp

Better Bell Sounds.esp

IWR-WindowsLightsShutters.esp

ChaseCameraMod.esp

VanityCameraSmoother.esp

VA_BetterGold.esp

Living Economy.esp

Living Economy - Items.esp

Growlfs Hot Clothes.esp

SickleIrons.esp

Sinblood's Widow Dress.esp

ExnemEyeCandy.esp

xuldarkforest.esp

ExnemRuneskulls.esp

FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp

Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

FCOM_BobsArmory.esp

Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp

FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp

Oblivion WarCry EV.esp

FCOM_WarCry.esp

TorchesBlowOut.esp

Enhanced Grabbing.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

OOO-Water_Weeds.esp

OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp

FCOM_Convergence.esp

FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp

FCOM_RealSwords.esp

FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp

FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp

FCOM_SaferRoads.esp

FCOM_LessRats.esp

FCOM_NoReaversInGates.esp

FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

TamrielTravellers4000.esp

TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp

ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp

FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp

FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp

FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp

FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp

FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp

Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp

ArmoryLab.esp

BravilSeaDomes.esp

Capsized Ship.esp

Comp_Cecilia.esp

eyja.esp

QQuix - Divine Elegance Showroom.esp

WaterFallCave.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

Ruin.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp

FCOM_Knights.esp

FCOM_Ruin.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

ULFallenLeafEverglade.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

xulRollingHills_EV.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp

Harvest [Flora].esp

Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp

Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp

Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp

KT_KhajEyeToggleNoEff.esp

Light Glass Weapons and Armor.esp

ReneerShipMod.esp

Quest Award Leveller.esp

Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp

RealisticForceMedium.esp

RealisticMagicForceMedium.esp

MidasSpells.esp

BasicInstinct.esp

PerceptionV2_1.esp

No psychic guards v1.2.esp

MM_NoMoreAnnoyingMessages.esp

personality_idles4_nnpc.esp

Sonia.esp

KendoGirl_Final.esp

Get Wet - just droplets.esp

X-Ray Detect.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp

Better Redguard v2.esp

_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

sr_birthsigns_nomax.esp

Starlight Yellow.esp

ArianaTrudeaux.esp

AoshisStealthEntrancesUL.esp

DB_Disguise_100.esp

Rhianna.esp

Skeuomorph_LBD.esp

The Sexy BeastV1.2.esp

Elven_Gardens_Apartment.esp

PepperJoes.esp

Great Oak Manor.esp

SwordDancer.esp

InteriorLight.esp

Streamline 2.1.esp

AsharasSirensAndTritons.esp

DAMerpeople.esp

SkeuomorphT3.esp

Landmarks, w Wells.esp

Book Jackets Oblivion.esp

ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp

ANBToggleGrab.esp

GlenvarCastle.esp

Level_Rates_Modified_x2.esp

HoarfrostCastle.esp

_No__persistant_enchantment_glow_fix-1843.esp

Oonas_Outfitters.esp

Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

[urthman]

Okay, if anyone's interested I think I figured this out.

 

The first one, I think, is just a bug in the Unique Landscapes - Imperial Isle mod. Turning it off removed the tear, and I'm pretty sure I don't have any other mods that change that part of the landscape. I'm going to leave it on since the tear is pretty minor, only visible from a few places, and the rest of the mod is beautiful.

 

The second one was fixed entirely by moving the Great Oak Manor mod down to the bottom of my mod list. Thanks for the suggestion, myrmaad!

[thomasv333]

Also you have Streamline 2.1, get 3.1 instead.

 

WARNING, Streamline 3.1 can cause your game to become VERY unstable and based upon a lengthy discussion a few weeks ago in this forum, Streamline 3.0 is more stable and works better. Personally Streamline 3.1 caused my game to CTD about every 5-15min, once it was removed my CTDs went down to about 1 every 1-2hrs.

[urthman]

Your screenshots make it fairly clear where the conflict is with UL Imperial Isle. Move Oona's Outfitters up above the UL ESP to fix the land tear.

You either need to get and use FCOMHelper, or else you've created this load order using FCOMHelper, but haven't followed the instructions to manually reposition all the UNKNOWN ESPs.

 

Thank you. That fixed it. I thought Oona's was too far away to be causing the conflict, but I guess it is the same cell or something.

 

I did use FCOMHelper when I first installed FCOM, but I'd added a bunch of mods since then and hadn't run it again.

 

I ran it again, and I notice it didn't put the Bashed Patch down below the mods you listed. Is there anything that needs to go after the Bashed Patch, or should I just put it at the very bottom?

 

Sorry to be so ignorant. I know the answer to this is probably in the Wyre Bash instructions, which I have tried to read, but they seem to assume a lot of knowledge about Oblivion modding that I don't have. I don't even really understand what the Bashed Patch is. I just used a step-by-step cookbook to install the FCOM mods.

 

Also you have Streamline 2.1, get 3.1 instead.

I was waiting for it to be no longer listed as a beta. Is there some urgent bug-fix for 2.1? I've been using it and haven't had much stuttering beyond the initial hiccups when arriving in a new area. And I get very few CTDs. I often get them when I quit (I need to get into the QQQ habit), which seems pretty harmless, but hardly ever any other time.

 

Thanks again for the help! I don't suppose you see anything in my mod list that might be causing the problem with the disappearing Imperial Commerce office I posted about in this thread?

[Vorians]

Download the latest database for FCOMHelper then run it again. When it's finished, it opens a text file showing the load order. At the end of the text file will be a batch under the label "Unrecognised mod files (reorder by hand):" and every ESP beneath this line needs you to manually place it in your load order, as it is not yet included in the FCOMHelper database.

 

CTDs on exit are mostly due to one mod referencing an object that another mod deleted higher up your load order. These crashes are harmless in my opinion, though any changes you make to your game settings won't be saved due to the crash. There's a console command which can be used to save the settings before exiting.

 

Streamline 3.1 has always been stable for me. It's probably just one of those mods where it works perfectly for some, but not at all for others. It does of course help to first read the readme and the setup instructions to ensure that it is configured correctly :) If you're happy with 2.1 then stick with it by all means, but 3.1 has some much more sophisticated features.