Freezing and CTD

[Elizinator]

Hmmm Do you want to send me the save file?

 

you mean like the actual save game file? :O

[Elizinator]

still getting a TON of error-less CTDs, and the not-infrequent spontaneous freeze.

 

EDIT: game is officially unplayable. getting DOZENS of CTDs per hour. instant, unprovoked, with no error messages, and nothing the papyrus log i havent seen 1000000s of times before. literally every 2-4 minutes. all for the hubris of trying to play without ASIS. btw, playing with it is just as bad.

 

GG bethesda. ive ALWAYS run an insanely modded game, and this never happened in Morrowind or Oblivion.

Edited September 11, 2012 by Elizinator

[kraziiadam2]

I don't know if anyone's going to reply to this thread anymore, but I'm having many similar issues. :( bumppppp. Ratio of time fixing Skyrim to time playing Skyrim: 4:1!

[seanxx]

From a quick look at this thread is the general consensus that ASIS leads to some ctd issues?

I just started a new game, had a ctd about 2 hours outside bleakfalls barrow. I have swapped in some mods after i started= bad practice i know= but it was only to take out coverwoman and put in bella, not something that should cause problems

My papyrus before the ctd

 

 

 

[11/10/2012 - 04:38:42PM] Papyrus log opened (PC)

[11/10/2012 - 04:38:42PM] error: Native function SetDontMove in empty state could find no matching function on linked type Actor. Function will not be bound.

[11/10/2012 - 04:38:42PM] Update budget: 1.200000ms (Extra tasklet budget: 1.200000ms, Load screen budget: 500.000000ms)

[11/10/2012 - 04:38:42PM] Memory page: 128 (min) 512 (max) 76800 (max total)

[11/10/2012 - 04:38:56PM] VM is freezing...

[11/10/2012 - 04:38:56PM] VM is frozen

[11/10/2012 - 04:38:56PM] Reverting game...

[11/10/2012 - 04:39:07PM] Loading game...

[11/10/2012 - 04:39:07PM] VM is thawing...

[11/10/2012 - 04:39:07PM] error: Native static function SetAllowFlyingMountLandingRequests could find no matching static function on linked type Game. Function will not be bound.

[11/10/2012 - 04:39:07PM] error: Native static function IsFastTravelControlsEnabled could find no matching static function on linked type Game. Function will not be bound.

[11/10/2012 - 04:39:07PM] error: Native static function AddPerkPoints could find no matching static function on linked type Game. Function will not be bound.

[11/10/2012 - 04:39:07PM] error: File "CCO - Uninstaller.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.

stack:

<unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?

[alias PlayerAlias on quest _sycMaintenanceQuest (10005EE6)]._sycMaintenanceRefAliasScript.onBeginState() - "_sycMaintenanceRefAliasScript.psc" Line 25

[alias PlayerAlias on quest _sycMaintenanceQuest (10005EE6)]._sycMaintenanceRefAliasScript.GotoState() - "Alias.psc" Line ?

[alias PlayerAlias on quest _sycMaintenanceQuest (10005EE6)]._sycMaintenanceRefAliasScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "_sycMaintenanceRefAliasScript.psc" Line 20

[11/10/2012 - 04:39:07PM] error: File "CCO - Permanent Birthsigns.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.

stack:

<unknown self>.Game.GetFormFromFile() - "<native>" Line ?

[_sycMainQuest (100012C4)]._sycmainquestscript.ToggleModules() - "_sycMainQuestScript.psc" Line 2404

[_sycMainQuest (100012C4)]._sycmainquestscript.VersionControl() - "_sycMainQuestScript.psc" Line 2330

[alias PlayerAlias on quest _sycMaintenanceQuest (10005EE6)]._sycMaintenanceRefAliasScript.onBeginState() - "_sycMaintenanceRefAliasScript.psc" Line 28

[alias PlayerAlias on quest _sycMaintenanceQuest (10005EE6)]._sycMaintenanceRefAliasScript.GotoState() - "Alias.psc" Line ?

[alias PlayerAlias on quest _sycMaintenanceQuest (10005EE6)]._sycMaintenanceRefAliasScript.OnPlayerLoadGame() - "_sycMaintenanceRefAliasScript.psc" Line 20

[11/10/2012 - 04:40:05PM] Persuade: [Actor < (000DC9E4)>]

[11/10/2012 - 04:40:05PM] [favordialoguescript <DialogueFavorGeneric (0005A6DC)>]Current Skill uses given: 900.000000 times the Skill Use Multiplier

[11/10/2012 - 05:20:17PM] VM is freezing...

[11/10/2012 - 05:20:17PM] VM is frozen

[11/10/2012 - 05:20:17PM] Saving game...

[11/10/2012 - 05:20:17PM] VM is thawing...

[11/10/2012 - 05:26:55PM] error: (000DC556): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.

stack:

[ (000DC556)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (000DC556)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line 26

[11/10/2012 - 05:27:24PM] error: (000DC550): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.

stack:

[ (000DC550)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (000DC550)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line 26

[11/10/2012 - 05:27:24PM] error: (000DC551): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.

stack:

[ (000DC551)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (000DC551)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line 26

[11/10/2012 - 05:28:26PM] error: (000DC8E1): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.

stack:

[ (000DC8E1)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?

[ (000DC8E1)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line 26

[11/10/2012 - 05:40:00PM] VM is freezing...

[11/10/2012 - 05:40:00PM] VM is frozen

[11/10/2012 - 05:40:01PM] Saving game...

[11/10/2012 - 05:40:01PM] VM is thawing...

[11/10/2012 - 05:41:52PM] VM is freezing...

[11/10/2012 - 05:41:52PM] VM is frozen

[11/10/2012 - 05:41:52PM] Saving game...

[11/10/2012 - 05:41:52PM] VM is thawing...

 

 

[thestormdragon]

When I was using the updated version before 1.8 Beta I had a number of CTD and freezes. The always occured in the games outer world never in town or inside a building, cave, fortress etc. Occasionally I had a CTD when leaving a structure (going through a door) Other times it seemed random and always in the outside world, I did notice the more mods running, and the more leveled a character is or a large inventory of items seemed to increase the frequency of CTDs. Also bad mods (mods with issues such as graphics not displaying right on an item (example armor in Female Heroic Stormcloak Armor included in Immersive Armors (later versions) CTD all the time when equipped) increased CTDs. Some Housing mods I had trouble with too. Even with these removed or rolled back to versions that did not include problem mods (immersive armors without Herioc Stormcloak Armor) I still had random CTDs sometimes before Skyrim even fully loaded and other times not for two hours. When I would quit I always had CTD upon exiting either to the desktop directly from the in game quick menu or the main menu.

 

As for freezes I always had them in the outer world when running or riding a horse that was running. Boom no warning just froze. The only way to get out of this was to play Skyrim in windowed mode, have other folders open on my desktop and alt-tab from Skyrim to the other folders back and forth sometimes even pressing the windows key. Eventually Skyrim would work again but I would always be stuck with a double cursor (Skyrim cursor and Windows cursor) until I exited the game and restarted it. I do not use ASIS, SkyRE, BOSS, or other load modifying programs. I do use SKSE and have both Dawnguard and Hearthfire installed. I did have some problems before installing Dawnguard and before Hearthfire, but they seemed to increase with version 1.7. Before I upgraded to 1.7 I could usually exit without CTDs after always CTD. Before I had stutters in game play even at the games lowest settings (My computer is a high end gaming computer with a 1GB Nvidia graphics card which should be able to run Skyrim easily at Ultra settings if you go by the games requirements but doesn't). After upgrading to 1.7 I started having more CTDs and many freezes as described above. I tried unofficial patches for all three (Skyrim and the DLCs) and a FPS booster mod without success. I have also tried the sound setting suggestion given elsewhere I think in the forum. I have tried setting my graphics card to performance and reducing windows graphics demands to more performance oriented as well as shutting down non essential programs and services. All did not work.

 

Since upgrading to 1.8 Beta I have noticed that I have not have had anymore CTD when exiting Skyrim. I had one CTD when trying to dismount a horse. I use the Convenient Horses mod and think the CTD may have been related to it. A possible glitch that occasionally occurs where the character can not dismount the horse even after saving and reloading or exiting completely and starting Skyrim again. My character is at a very high level, I have a fair amount of inventory, many quests, and about 30 to 40 active mods (many more installed - over 100 but not active). Most are low to medium in demand - except maybe Convenient Horses, BFF Animal Companions, Beyond 81 and Experience Reduction (a expanded leveling and perk mod allowing level 81 to be exceeded and more perks to be gained), Dragon Lords, and a couple of ENB mods. I did read somewhere that Skyrim does have a cap on the number of mods that can be run with it. I think too many high demand mods can greatly effect performance as well and lead to more CTDs and freezes. 1.8 Beta seems to be more stable than 1.7, but I have not seen enough yet if the outer world freezes are less or have stopped. I think the CTDs may be less. The fact Skyrim no longer seems to CTD on exit does suggest that maybe 1.8 Beta at least improves on the CTD issue. If the CTDs are caused by to many mods, too many high demanding mods, corrupt mods, or conflicting mods then 1.8 Beta will not resolve the issue. Load order is important too. I follow suggested load orders for various mods loading before or after others if stated in their description page, and also load esm files first including DLC expansions, then patches that are esm then esp patches, any high demand mods, mods changing textures in the world, character textures, weapon textures, leveling mods, housing mods, crafting mods, and last mods adding items. I only use the Skyrim launcher to modifiy order and the order stays as I arrange it. All of my mods are manually installed. I do not recommend manual installation for less experienced users. I prefer mods with loose files over mods using only bsa files for installation as I have read that the bsa formats can cause more scripting problems then loose file versions. I do recommend for any mod installation whether manual or with the Nexus Mod Manager that a backup clean version of the Skyrim data folder be kept and if possible backups of the main files as well without any installed mods. If all else fails the clean files/ folders can be used to replace the corrupted ones ones the corrupted ones are deleted without completely reinstalling the game. A full re-installation should be a last resort. Also I do not think a clean start is the answer, but setting the compatibility setting for Skyrim to Windows 7 Basic (lower three check boxes - not 256 colors or resolution boxes) and checking play as administrator might help. Also do not have a browser open (Explorer or Firefox) if possible - these use a lot of system memory and considering temporarily disabling anti-virus software on low end computers too (also a system resource hog) when playing Skyrim. These suggestions might reduce the CTDs and freezes but not stop them. Also the freezes are not local to any specific area and are completely random. I have experienced freezes all over the outer world of Skyrim and both in combat in the outer world or just running around. Outside of errors cause by mods I think Skyrim itself suffers from instabilities. The freezes I think are performance related due to the computers memory, graphics, and processing capability. Skyrim's demands are very high for graphics demand, memory usage (especially at certain times in the game or after extended game play), and does put a large load on the computer processor contrary to the specs listed for the game. I have seen this in other high end games (Caesar IV, Fable III) and the only time the freezing/stuttering finally stopped altogether was when I significantly upgraded my computer to a faster computer, significantly more memory, and more than double the graphics memory. It could be Skyrim will only run really well on a computer with over 2GB graphics memory, 8GB physical memory, and a 4 or better Ghz processor. Unfortunately such a fast processor has not been invented and 2GB graphics cards are very expensive. It would be nice if the developers where a little more truthful about a game's requirements. As for CTDs 1.8 Beta is more stable that 1.7. 1.7 had serious issues that the version before it did not even have. It was a bad upgrade like some driver upgrades are good and others are not. It remains to be seen if future patches beyond 1.8 Beta if there are to be any further improve stability (less CTDs). Occasionally I have seen game official patches improve stuttering/lagging but not very often. It would also be nice if DLCs put out where less buggy too instead of adding to problems already in the original game. All game manufacturers could stand to learn this lesson. Release slower and have a cleaner, better tested product.

[Horosha]

Greetings,

 

I had just recently updated a few of my mods just recently and am getting an instant CTD when launching Skyrim. Here's my load order:

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

RaceCompatibility.esm

SPIKE.esm

WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm

MBMaster.esm

Brawl Bugs CE.esp

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Realistic Lighting - Dawnguard Patch.esp

Realistic Lighting.esp

Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp

Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes_HighSpawn.esp

Breaking and Entering.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern_Guards.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern_Candle_DG.esp

Craftable and Placeable Havok-enabled Bedrolls .esp

Crafting300.esp

CrossbowsRevamped.esp

DSpSoB.esp

itsatrap!.esp

lt_better_horses.esp

SabreFurBag.esp

ShootingStars.esp

skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp

TemperedIronwork.esp

TemperedIronwork_Resmelt.esp

TemperedIronwork_Prospect.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp

Footprints.esp

SkyUI.esp

iHUD.esp

WetandCold.esp

Baraban-Dawnguard-Plate.esp

Battle Armor.esp

black_hand_robe.esp

BloodWitchArmor.esp

bound weapons redux.esp

calyps-investigator.esp

Cloaks.esp

Craftable Ebony Mail and Blade.esp

Dragonscale hood.esp

Dread Huntress Armor.esp

Dread Knight Weapon Set.esp

Dwarven Condenser.esp

dwarven war cross bow.esp

DwarvenMech.esp

DwarvenSwords.esp

Ebony Mage Armor.esp

Forsworn Legwraps.esp

Gatti12Jewelry.esp

Glass Mage Armor Skyrim Vanilla.esp

Glass Mage Armor Ashlander Silver.esp

Glass Mage Armor Outlander Gold.esp

Gri_Scarf_and_Gugel.esp

HeaterShield.esp

HentaiKarliahArmor.esp

HentaiNightmareArmor.esp

HentaisJamellaArmor.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

Katharinian Armor.esp

Knight Of Thorns Armor.esp

matys knights of the nine armor 2.1.esp

Matys Mithril armor Enhanced.esp

Nicoroshi Creations.esp

NordLeatherArmor.esp

One handed Crossbow.esp

R18Pn - Ritter Armor - Heavy.esp

R18Pn - Fiona Armor.esp

Redguard Shield.esp

Ritual Armor of Boethiah.esp

RobedSteelPlateArmor.esp

ScoutArmor.esp

ShreddedTrissHat.esp

Siege Bow & Backpacks.esp

SilverDragonArmor.esp

Spear.esp

theRoadstrokersRogueSorceress.esp

throwingweapons.esp

throwing_weapons_leveledlists_plugin.esp

Throwing_Weapons_Misc_Plugin.esp

Throwing_Weapons_PerkTree_Plugin.esp

throwing_weapons_quiver_plugin.esp

theRoadstrokersAlvinHewOutfitSet.esp

theRoadstrokersRoyalElvenSet.esp

Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp

TrissArmorRetextured.esp

Wanderer Armor.esp

warmagearmor.esp

Dr_Bandolier.esp

Smithing Perks Overhaul - Balanced.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

Freedom of Speech -- Dawnguard.esp

Better Warzones Soldier Uniforms With Cloaks.esp

Deadly Traps.esp

FasterArrows100.esp

Gradual Encumbrance from Carry Weight.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Headtracking.esp

Improved Cloaks.esp

Improved Runes.esp

killable_children_1_01.esp

NeutralHjerim.esp

No Helmets Required.esp

No Perk Prereqs - No Helmets Required.esp

NoAutoAim.esp

Proper Aiming.esp

Sneak Tweak.esp

Sickly Diseases.esp

WerewolvesOccurringNaturally.esp

Open Cities Skyrim.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

NPCsUseAmmoAllBows.esp

ToL_Core_by_Brevi.esp

ToL_SKSE_by_Brevi.esp

HitStop.esp

OpenUnlock.esp

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

Improved Walls.esp

SeeYouSleepByMadmole.esp

ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp

Artifact Disenchanting.esp

Artifact Disenchanting - Dawnguard.esp

FormsEdit.esp

Sneak Tools.esp

Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp

Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp

Duel - Combat Realism.esp

DeadlyCombat.esp

DeadlyCombat_HardcoreDamage.esp

DeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp

DeadlyCombat_UnarmedFix.esp

dodge.esp

Dual Wield Parrying_ScriptDragon.esp

Killmove +.esp

kuerteeFightOrFly.esp

Locational Damage.esp

TKcombat.esp

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp

Improved Destruction Perks (100).esp

Improved Master Spells.esp

MBAxe.esp

MBBow.esp

MBSword.esp

MD - Real Unleveled Skyrim.esp

MD - Tougher named NPCs.esp

LovelyHairstyles.esp

MTOH.esp

numenume femalebrows MARO.esp

Oblivion hair.esp

Oblivion hair2.esp

RANs Hair.esp

MissAniThrope and chakaru11's C Eyes.esp

Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp

Neovalen Race Compatibility.esp

Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

XCE.esp

Height Adjusted Races v5.esp

Height Adjusted Races with True Giants v5.esp

EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp

WATER.esp

GreenWaterFix_Compatible.esp

DeadlyCombat_PISE_Patch.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

ASIS-Dependency.esp

ASIS.esp

Enchanted Bound Weapons.esp

BetterProudspireManor.esp

BreezehomeBasementUtilitiesMoreSecret.esp

Daedric_Crossbow.esp

DovahkiinArmor.esp

humanized elves.esp

Improved Casting Dynamic.esp

Savage Cleave.esp

The Grotto-Arena for Skyrim.esp

Titan Bash.esp

Wandering Blade.esp

Baraban-Steel-Plate.esp

Baraban-Steel-Helms.esp

Gun Blade.esp

Place2Sleep.esp

 

I'm guessing I have a bad load order? I've used BOSS and have cleaned all the official plugins plus those which needed cleaning as well.

[bigv32]

Horosha,

 

Dead thread my friend. Look at the last post date before you. I would suggest starting your own thread.

 

By the way, if you do, post some more info like what mods you just added, where you are crashing, etc.

 

However, I believe your problem is that your bashed patch and Asis esp's are in the wrong place. They should be at the bottom. Fix this and then rebuild them.

Edited January 8, 2013 by bigv32

[Horosha]

Whoops, thought it would still be an appropriate place to put this. Anyhow, I tried placing both ASIS files at the end of the load order, didn't work. Forgot that I had a bashed patch.esp, wasn't even using it so I deleted that as well. I am getting CTDs right at the title screen once the Skyrim logo is displayed and didn't before I updated some of my mods. The ones I had updated are as follows:

 

A Place To Sleep v2.3

Alternate Start - Live Another Life v2.1.8a

Better Dialogue Controls v1.2

Categorized Favorites Menu v0.1.17

Crossbows Revamped v2.1

Dual Sheath Plus Shields on Back Dawnguard Edition v1.0

Dual Sheath Plus Shields on Back Compatibility Fixes v1.1

Ebony Mage Armor v1.5

Feminine Running and Dash Animation v1.1

Footprints v0.9

Open Cities Skyrim v0.9.7

Realistic Lighting v3.5

Ritual Armor of Boethiah v4.24

Robed Steel Plate Armor v1.1

Shooting Stars v1.03

SkyUI v3.0

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch v1.1.3

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch v1.0.2

Unofficial Skyrim Patch v1.2.5

W.A.T.E.R. v1.5d

 

This is also my papyrus log before I crash:

[01/07/2013 - 10:27:40PM] Papyrus log opened (PC)

[01/07/2013 - 10:27:40PM] Update budget: 1.200000ms (Extra tasklet budget: 1.200000ms, Load screen budget: 500.000000ms)

[01/07/2013 - 10:27:40PM] Memory page: 256 (min) 512 (max) 76800 (max total)

[01/07/2013 - 10:27:47PM] Cannot open store for class "dlc1scwispwallscript", missing file?

[01/07/2013 - 10:27:48PM] Cannot open store for class "TOMK_QF_LockTKStartup_0200182B", missing file?

[01/07/2013 - 10:27:48PM] error: Unable to bind script TOMK_QF_LockTKStartup_0200182B to LockTKStartup (1600182B) because their base types do not match

 

Nonetheless, gonna move this to a new thread. Could I get any help from the mods?

Edited January 8, 2013 by Horosha

[Selvec]

Oh now thats interesting.

 

I've been having a CTD's to, and that file "dlc1scwispwallscript" is a common element to all the error logs on this thread.

[seanxx]

Horosha, it sounds like maybe one of your mods needs an dawnguard or hearthfire esp patch and you haven't enabled/DL it, thats a common issue with ctds at start up anyway.

But seriously the main thing i did to make my game stable was to cull my mod list and just keep what was necessary, you have a pretty insane number of mods there, time for trimming ? I went from unstable 50ish to a ctd free life at 30.

It pains me to say this but getting rid of ASIS also helped make my game a lot more stable.