Meet your meat

[Breton Thief Oriana]

Because it passes through you. It doesnt take years, it goes through the same rate as EVERYTHING else. That gum you swallowd that morning will be out of you by tonight, assuming you use the bathroom. A doctor also said the gum-takes-7-years thing, he was wrong, now wasnt he? And gum, being a mollecule away from plastic, isnt it less healthy for you than meat? But you chew it anyway...

 

Well, maybe we shouldnt eat cows...but its IMPOSSIBLE to escape it! You know there is bone gellatin in jelly beans and jello powder? you eat that, dont you mr vegan? well, I guess there is NO WAY to escape it...animal products are in almost everything we eat...you cant escape it if you live in the U.S., in fact. Just go to This Site to see all the cow stuff we use! You cant escape! I realize its only on mad cow disease, but its true you cant escape using animal products. Those shoes youre wearing--do they have suade or leather? oops, messed up there, too! what about those leather pants you bought to look just FABULOUS for your whole ensamble of newage vegan overlords? Didnt they see it? Oh, well, I guess you had US fooled...

[Zmid]

The alternative being what exactly? In the legitimately run farms, the animals are well kept whilst alive and killed humanely and so quickly they're dead before they hit the floor. Of course, there are farms where this is NOT true, but those are generally flouting a few laws. Plus, of course, you have to remember that many of these species would not even exist if it weren't for the fact humans have been farming them for thousands of years and, as such, have been bred into their current form.

 

What makes man so much greater than animals? I know im probably speaking to a lot of deaf ear's here but...what exactly gave us the right to kill living, breathing and thinking animals?

How's about the fact we are one of these living breathing animals and these living breathing animals would simply get hunted, ripped apart and eaten by other living breathing animals if we weren't here? In effect, all we are doing is a far more sophisticated version of what happens in a predator/prey relationship in nature.

 

Would you liked to be hung upside down in a slaughter house, have a knife slicing you throat and then lying on the floor gasping for 1 minute seeing life fade away? I think not.

 

Not particulary, but that is not my purpose in existing. The thing is, this is what these animals exist for. Humans in effect made these animals in order to kill them for food. They have no other purpose.

 

Many chickens are alive when they go into the plucking machines, is this torture?

 

If they're so heavily sedated they feel no pain, and are killed humanely before they wake up, no.

 

When it comes to animals, no, it is then seen as a matter of necessity (fast production and money). but if i decided to to the same thing to a human beeing (put him in to the automatic skinning machine while he is fully concious, and then say: Hey! I thought he was sedated or dead) then it would be a outrageous act of inhumanety!

 

This is because this would be something you are doing to your own species, and, presumably, the motive would not be so you can eat him, or sell him to be eaten.

 

Now many of the farms im OK with, the thing that realy bothers me are the slaughter houses, where the farmers have no controll over the methods used to slaughter their former livestock, i grew up in a farming community and i know that many farmers care about their animals (small time farmers that is)

 

Now if the Milk and egg farms began to treat their animals better then i would probably go back to drinking milk and eating egg's...but then things would have to change a lot, im talking about no more cramped cages for the hens, that cows would have the possibility to walk outside the farm and into free air, but when the milk truck comes to collect the milk the cow would be guided inside again...those are the changes that would have to come before i went into Vegitarism instead of veaganism again.

 

Try buying Free Range eggs. This is exactly how the hens are treated. I do also believe there is such a thing as Free Range milk now, where the cows are treated as you describe as well.

 

But then White Wolf your last words troubles me, along with many other animal right followers and vegans...what should be done about the livestock that has been bred forth? To be honest this question stumps me, i could allways say that the only humane way would be to kill them...but this is wrong according the the views that has followed me since i was about 12 years old (im 17 now),i can honestly not think of any way, but im going to a Animal rights movement meeting soon, so i'll bring that up for debate there, are post what solution we came up with.

 

I'll be interested to hear it.

 

Wrong. Meat in excess is unhealthy. Meat in moderation is actually good for you. For one, it decreases the risk of heart conditions.

No, not exactly, the human bowel's are too long to break the meat down (why i don't know, im not a doctor...but i have consulted one), thus staying there and CAN do damage to you, im not saying that it will do damage to you, but it can (jeez im such a health freak :whistling: ).

Well, a glass of wine per day can also decrease the risk for heart conditions, working out decreases the risk for heart conditions, also there ARE alot of vitamins and minerals in meat, but you can get your daily dose from a small pill.

 

Why take it from a pill? Why not simply eat meat, which is what nature intended as a way to get these?

 

I hate to break it to you, but the world already produces more than enough food to feed the entire Human Race. The reason this doesn't happen is that many of the so-called 'civilised' countries are too greedy to export it to the famine-stricken areas for free

I know this. Yes, meat is a luxary, but meat still consumes alot of resources, IF i we suddenly stopped eating meat, we would still have many many farms producing vegitables, then it "might" be cheaper to export them instead of storing them (but getting the whole world to stop eating the meat for an experiment...yeah, that would be the day)

 

Trouble is, the only price that's really low enough for the famine-stricken countries to afford is free, and I can only see that happening when the Winter Olympics are held in Hell.

 

Killing something for the sole purpose of making money? No. Killing something to feed other people in exchange for money? Yes. If you simply take the money aspect out of it, this is what happens in nature, for example, a lioness hunting and killing a deer to feed her cubs.

But the lioness doesn't have the choice does she? we do, and seeing that humans "are so smart" we should have found an alternative to meat along time ago...The consuming of meat lies more in old traditions and normalityn than in need. hence: we are killing for money since we are having a choice in general....Just my point of view

 

Do we NEED to eat meat? No. We are sufficiently technologically advanced that we can come up with alternatives. Will there always be some humans who will eat meat? Yes. Humans have evolved with a taste for meat and a desire for meat. We will never get rid of that, and to attempt to deny it is to deny our natural instincts. Recognising this and supplying this desire in a humane and controlled manner in exchange for money is far preferable to any alternative I can think of.

[MyDogsTale]

I firmly check all products i buy for traces of animal products...for example gelatine :bleh:

 

It is not impossible to avoid animal product's, THREE WORDS: USE YUR EYES! they are not there only to peep at the things we consider beautiful ^_^

I had no trouble quitting meat in a day, the only thing that botherd me was cheese and milk, but when i found good substitutes for milk (i needed Kalsium, which i found in beans) then i became a full grown vegan, and i found out that if i spiced vegan cheese up a little (soy cheese and such) then it tasted just as good.

 

I do not wear any leather clothes other then a pair of VERY old army marching boots and a hunting knife I got from my grandfather just before he suffered a stroke (My grandfather made the knife so it is impossible to get another casing for it),

He was a man that learned me many things and theese are some of the few things i got from him that i can use in daily life, therefore i wear them (not the knife unless im out in the wild, lighting a fire and i need a stick for my soy sausage)

 

And i don't swallow my gum, i preefer to spit it out, Actually sugarfree gum increases your consentration and blood flow to the brain :)

[Malchik]

Choice comes from wealth. Human beings were designed as omnivores. If you choose not to eat meat because you can afford the alternative means of staying healthy that is your choice.

 

One problem I have with those who proselytise animal rights (and that is an oxymoron should anyone wish to debate it) is that their definition of animals tends to exclude the most common living creatures - insects (bugs to the US).

 

Apart from those (?Jain) believers in India who go sky-clad and sweep the ground in front of them so as not to tread on any ant, everything else is hypocritical!

[Pack Rat]

I'm just going to explains my point with a simple example.

 

A lion attacks and kills an Antilope. He feeds himself on it's meat. You think the lion will feel sorry for the antilope? No... Why not? Because he was ment to kill and eat meat. The antilope's death is his way of keeping alive.

 

Same thing for humans, we were ment to become omnivores. It's just a way of life. And no man can change nature

[Guest]

Yes Malchik, many people i know claim to vegan to kill them regardless, but a true vegan doesn't...I don't even kill a bee :innocent:

 

Yes, humans are omnivores.

But look at yourself, are you designed to hunt and eat by yourself?

No, your teeth are not formed like a carnivore's, your bowel system is not constructed to fully digest it, your muscle mass is not adapted to catch anything much bigger than a domesticated hen, and wild hens are FAST!

You are not designed to run after a rabbit and sink your teeth into it's throat, no, to do it you need a tool of some sort...and maybe you would hunt down a un-domesticated cow but you couldn't kill it by beating or biting it...

But then again we have a VERY large brain capacity...and thumbs, so we are probably meant to use tools (I use Apes as an example)...but then again, this is very debateble... and im writing this in a rush, because my friend want's his computer back.

[Pack Rat]

Yes Malchik, many people i know claim to vegan to kill them regardless, but a true vegan doesn't...I don't even kill a bee :innocent:

 

Yes, humans are omnivores.

But look at yourself, are you designed to hunt and eat by yourself?

No, your teeth are not formed like a carnivore's, your bowel system is not constructed to fully digest it, your muscle mass is not adapted to catch anything much bigger than a domesticated hen, and wild hens are FAST! 

You are not designed to run after a rabbit and sink your teeth into it's throat, no, to do it you need a tool of some sort...and maybe you would hunt down a un-domesticated cow but you couldn't kill it by beating or biting it...

But then again we have a VERY large brain capacity...and thumbs, so we are probably meant to use tools (I use Apes as an example)...but then again, this is very debateble... and im writing this in a rush, because my friend want's his computer back.

That's why we are omnivores and not carnivores.

[Zmid]

Yes Malchik, many people i know claim to vegan to kill them regardless, but a true vegan doesn't...I don't even kill a bee :innocent:

I've just had an interesting thought - do you eat plant matter? Assuming you do, well, they are living organisms as well. As such, whenever you eat plant matter, you have still caused something to die in order for you to eat.

[Malchik]

I've just had an interesting thought - do you eat plant matter? Assuming you do, well, they are living organisms as well. As such, whenever you eat plant matter, you have still caused something to die in order for you to eat.

Well in fact microbes, bacteria and 'germs' are organic if you want to look at it that way.

 

I certainly don't like to see animals mistreated but it is natural for cats to chase mice and seeing people beat them for not sticking to a vegetarian diet appals me! (And I have met someone who does this.)

 

Also one wonders if a bigger animal decides it fancies you for a meal, are you prepared to fight back naturally only with your bare hands and feet or might you try to use those things called tools?

 

I was also amused by an acquaintance of mine who is very much against using animals for testing disease remedies insisting her cats were innoculated for cat flu. She couldn't understand that this HAD to be tested on cats!

 

I am not mocking. It's just that often people do not see how inconsistent they are. You may not be like that MDT but from my experience a lot of people are.

[Darnoc]

OK, I just state here my oppinion.

 

We are made to eat everything, meat and plants. So why should we deny our own nature? And secondly, I never eat meat from animals who don't come from a biological farm and who were transported in this wagons. This means, I buy meat directly from bio-farmers who slaughter their beasts with their own hands. Quick, without transport and at least they had a good life.

 

I personally would just prefer to go into the wild, live by myself, hunt and collect plants. You get the picture, right? I just hate civilization (the only exception is my computer, I could live without the rest and wouldn't shed a tear). With hunting I don't mean with a gun, I mean how my ancestors used to do it long ago. With spears, bows, knifes. Then at least there is the risk that I die or get wounded and the fight is at least fair.