Meet your meat

[ctogher]

:blush: Lotsa emotion sloshing around here....

 

Some points of interest:

 

1] As a segement of society vegans are particularly susceptible to viral illness

It is suggested that the non-exposure to infectious diseases found in meat results in a diminished immune system. Generally also recognised as having lower energy levels, as a great deal of energy is expended trying to process a mostly fibrous source of protein into usable energy or amino acids.

 

2] The human digestive system actually absorbs certain minerals more efficiently from meat than other sources, (eg. iron from liver), despite all the hearsay from doctors purporting to be evidence. Remember that it was doctors who ran around preaching the gospel of fluoride before admitting to the harmful effects it had on an entire generation of people.

 

3] There is strong evidence that hormonal development in animals is responsible for various developmental problems in recent generations, (deformity, men producing breast milk, etc).

 

A final point, one which I feel should be made at every oppurtunity, is that, of all the species sharing this planet, mankind is the only one NOT in danger of going extinct. Also the only one that does not contribute in any meaningful manner to the food chain. We are the black hole in said food chain, or rather vacuum, as nothing we produce is ever again incorporated into any eco system.

 

My personal value system holds even the lowliest insect in higher order of import than any person you could care to mention.

[MyDogsTale]

BTW, something i forgot to mention: The police handles cases such as animal mistreatment (but we dont have a LARGE experienced agency to handle it)

 

Such a pity most vegetarians seem to see it as a religion and need to make converts. Please feel free to make your own choices. I have made mine on the known facts. I will not try to convert you to my beliefs (on smoking, drinking, drugs, abortion, faith, sexual freedom, feeding habits, farting in public and acceptable levels of brightness in ties). It's good to debate any issue but it is the 'silent majority' you need to convince. Those who enter the debate against you will be nigh on impossible to covert.

 

Im not after converting people, i believe in free choices, so if anybody decided to be a vegitarian after this debate...ok, cool, but it's not anything special

 

You mean.....WE'RE AGREEING ON SOMETHING ON THIS ISSUE??????

 

Im just saying that the more humane it is then the better it is for the animal (allthough freedom would be better)...im not at all saying "hey, it's a humane way of killing, im going back to meat!" :bleh:

 

Honestly, how can you not love meat? To quote Ted Nugent 'That's just weird'

*no intent to flame or insult, just my own personal golden and totally correct opinon

 

I've actually never liked meat, my mom still tells stories from when i was 5 years old and started boycotting chicken meat, and beef allways tasted dry to me, but i kept eatinbg them because it was "the normal" way to go...so all these view's

came when i was about 12, but i didn't act upon them until i was 15/16...

 

*Not insulted at all ;)

 

I'm only glad that I live in Switzerland. There at least I can get meat from bio-farms with no genetic engineered food given to the animals, where the animals can live outside on the fields and have a happy lifetime and where the farmer kills the animals right away on his farm or brings them to the butcher in the village not too far away.

 

It's a better alternative, and im glad it excists since i don't belive that meat eating will ever be removed from society (unless a vegan world suprimaty started to excist...but that would be scary when i think of all the steriotype vegans i meet every day... <_<...don't even ask... )

[Marxist ßastard]

Ctogher:

 

Remember that it was doctors who ran around preaching the gospel of fluoride before admitting to the harmful effects it had on an entire generation of people.

 

Those damn Communist bastards... Our precious bodily fluids will never be the same!

[Ancalagon]

It's all about water, precious precious water.

 

*Pulls a MG 42 out of a golf bag, while chewing on a Cigar*

 

Bloody Reds, always drinking Vodka...

[Zmid]

Such a pity most vegetarians seem to see it as a religion and need to make converts. Please feel free to make your own choices. I have made mine on the known facts. I will not try to convert you to my beliefs (on smoking, drinking, drugs, abortion, faith, sexual freedom, feeding habits, farting in public and acceptable levels of brightness in ties). It's good to debate any issue but it is the 'silent majority' you need to convince. Those who enter the debate against you will be nigh on impossible to covert.

Hey, the way I see it, the vegetarians are free to try to convert me. I'm equally free to watch them fail. :lol:

 

My point is this, I eat meat. I grew up with it, I saw the videos of the slaughterhouses, and while I admit some were pretty graphic I just accepted it as a sad-but-necessary (not the torture but just killing the animals outright) means to an end. That end being a...medium-well Ribeye steak...cooked over Mesquite and...smothered...in Worchester sauce...

 

Pretty much my point of view, but I prefer a burger (I'm talking about a proper burger here, not your Macdonalds or Burger King c**p ;) ).

 

Im just saying that the more humane it is then the better it is for the animal (allthough freedom would be better)...im not at all saying "hey, it's a humane way of killing, im going back to meat!" :bleh:

 

This actually makes business sense as well, to a certain degree - the better the animal is treated, the better the quality of the resultant meat, so the higher price you can charge for it. Not all farms/slaughterhouses seem to see this, however, or they go for quantity rather than quality.

 

I've actually never liked meat, my mom still tells stories from when i was 5 years old and started boycotting chicken meat, and beef allways tasted dry to me, but i kept eatinbg them because it was "the normal" way to go

 

Now that's a damn good reason to be a vegetarian - you don't like the taste of meat. :lol:

 

It's a better alternative, and im glad it excists since i don't belive that meat eating will ever be removed from society (unless a vegan world suprimaty started to excist...but that would be scary when i think of all the steriotype vegans i meet every day... <_< ...don't even ask... )

 

I get the feeling I would find the answer exceedingly weird if I did. :lol:

[Breton Thief Oriana]

RIght, This is why A-1 steaksauce is "That Important"--Cause people find beef dry...

 

 

Hmmm, but, this struck me as weird...

men producing breast milk

 

:blink: NOW someone tells me!

[Marxist ßastard]

To my knowledge, male lactation is just a myth, apart from the phenomenon known as "witches' milk," which occurs just after birth and is not specific to any generation.

 

...And even if there are a few isolated incidents of post-infancy male lactation, which, I remind you again, I have absolutely no knowledge of, it would be simply moronic to attribute them to artificial hormones, selective breeding of livestock, or food radiation -- if you're going to do that, you might as well dress up in an eight foot tall costume of a snarling sirloin and shout at farmers who adhere to immunization protocols.

[Mojlnir]

There is little to say that hasn't already been said, though I will add my two cents to this discussion. Personally, I have little problem with the slaughter of animals for food. They have been domesticated and bred specifically for that purpose. Do you (meaning people who are opposed to eating meat) beleive that cows or chickens evolved into the meat popsicles they are without human help?

Cows, as we know them today, exist solely for the purpose of being used for meat and producing milk. Nothing else. The same with chickens and pigs. Food.

If you want to go along with PETA and the other nutters and free these animals, then go right ahead. The rest of us will make sure that you get the bill for the highway clean up after they wander into traffic...

 

I do not usually eat red meat, though more for the health reasons associated with red meat (higher cholesterol and saturated fat) than anything to do with feeling sorry for a bunch of sad-eyed hunks of meat. I regularly eat chicken and fish, though seldom pork because my fiance is alergic to it. I have several friends who are practicing vegetarians and I have respect for their choice, though it is not one that I would take myself. Vegetarians are required to be much more careful about what they eat in order to ensure that they get enough protein and iron in their diets, lest they become ill.

 

Veganism is treated more as a religion than anything else and I don't understand it, nor do I support it. Every Vegan I have ever encountered is convinced that doing anything to animals is wrong, whether it be eating them, using them for work, or for testing drugs to save human life. Modern life affords individuals the luxury of becoming Vegans...such nonsense did not exist 50 years ago. That civilzation has been built upon then backs of "meat and potatos" people who would have beaten the crap out of people like Vegans.

 

If a Vegan wants to be true to their ideals, then they should not use or consume any living thing. This means no clothes, no plant matter of any kind and...(drum roll) no BREATHING. There are microbes in the air that you kill when you breathe. That means you shouldn't do that either, or you would be hypocritical and operating contrary to your beliefs.

 

At that point, Darwinian principles would take over and we would no longer need to have this conversation. :bye:

[Shakkara]

hmm now how did this happen? probably hit back and forward too much. you can delete this one.

[Shakkara]

I heard about people that stopped eating meat, and then had some after a few years. They said they haven't been more sick and in more pain in their entire lives after that. Personally I don't think meat is very unhealthy, at least not more then certain other food, however all the hormones and vaccines still in meat and products like milk cannot be good for you. I myself limit the amount of meat I eat. I do eat it, but not much. Usually only once or twice a week. If I eat too much meat, I often get that tired feeling the next day. I don't drink cow milk because it feels bad, but occasionally drink goat milk which I can tolerate (occasionally being less then once every two months). I don't like fish so I don't eat that.

 

The idea of 'animals exist only to suffer and die for us' is plain sick IMO. Just imagine an alien race comes over here and brutally enslaves us, and then lets humans breed and work under nightmarish conditions, killing everyone that isn't productive anymore, and justify this kind of behaviour to themselves with things like "humans are inferior", "humans have no soul", "humans are not sentient", "morality is relative" and "it's natural for things like these to happen, since we are the stronger species and all stronger species do this everywhere". Just think about it. Would you still support these arguments, the same as some people use, when the tables are turned?

 

As for the suffering of animals, they are NOT sedated when slaughtered, nor are they when pigs get their tails cut off and their teeth pulled out, just to name some things. And I don't think I want to spill out more details here or go on about mutilations. Often cows and chickens get fed so much fat-making food they grow to death because their cramped space cannot contain them or they are unable to support themselves. These animals usually live only for 2 weeks to a month in a cage in which they cannot even turn around, sometimes in near-darkness, before they are slaughtered. Chickens that are kept to produce eggs are held in similar conditions.