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[Larshadowalker]

Thanks for your advises. I have no mod that needs patch for vokrii so i didnt patched vokrii. I was careful about FNIS and whenever i install an animation mod i run it so it has no problem. I'm not sure about Open Cities, i can delete the mod not necesseray for my gameplay.

 

By the way i am obsessed about my save file master list.

 

I really want to know that why (in my second screen shot) the boxes are orange. Do u have any idea about that ? I think it is strongly related about my CTDs too.

[jjb54]

Thanks for your advises. I have no mod that needs patch for vokrii so i didnt patched vokrii. I was careful about FNIS and whenever i install an animation mod i run it so it has no problem. I'm not sure about Open Cities, i can delete the mod not necesseray for my gameplay.

 

By the way i am obsessed about my save file master list.

 

I really want to know that why (in my second screen shot) the boxes are orange. Do u have any idea about that ? I think it is strongly related about my CTDs too.

 

I can have the same Orange boxes and my game works fine. Mod's can have errors - flags and such, but have no real cause / effect on the game.

 

You can * NOT * just remove OPEN CITIES. Understand that you would have to start a new clean game IF you choose to remove Open Cities, in that OC has script and has to be totally removed from the game.

 

The thing is about Random ( IF they are random ) that is a part of Skyrim - even just vanila and DLC's. The game can have random CTD's. It's just the nature of the beast.

 

But if the " Random " CTD's happen at given locations / actions and such, or timed, yes, there were some players that would CTD at given times: 1/2 hour - 45 Minutes and such. It was a real strange, but timed CTD. We found out it was mods that had either some random " refresh / reset " or the likes. Boy were those a challenge to find!

 

So unless we are able to find a specific - TIME - EVENT - ACTION - ACTIVITY - LOCATION or such, but it is totally RANDOM, it would be hard to pinpoint, in that .. well we had nothing to gauge.

[jjb54]

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I slowly went through your list and noticed a number of what I call, " graphic intense mods ", IE: Your Eye Mods and so on. The question I have ... is your Video Card able to handle a lot of graphic intense mods? I do know, from personal experience that if a Video Card gets " pushed to hard ", it can CTD.

 

I had to update my video card to a very HIGH END to stop that part of the equation.

[Larshadowalker]

 

I can have the same Orange boxes and my game works fine. Mod's can have errors - flags and such, but have no real cause / effect on the game.

This mention a little bit relaxed me :laugh:

 

 

You can * NOT * just remove OPEN CITIES. Understand that you would have to start a new clean game IF you choose to remove Open Cities, in that OC has script and has to be totally removed from the game.

I am using fallrim tools too. I thought i can delete the mod and clean my save ,however, it seem i wont delete the mod i think.

 

 

The thing is about Random ( IF they are random ) that is a part of Skyrim - even just vanila and DLC's. The game can have random CTD's. It's just the nature of the beast.

 

But if the " Random " CTD's happen at given locations / actions and such, or timed, yes, there were some players that would CTD at given times: 1/2 hour - 45 Minutes and such. It was a real strange, but timed CTD. We found out it was mods that had either some random " refresh / reset " or the likes. Boy were those a challenge to find!

CTDs happen when i go wilderness and some important location like dragonsreech, bluepalace etc but mostly i am able to play 1hour with no problem.

 

Now i have changed my mod rules sometimes vortex can be wrong about mod rules. I am testing new rules.

 

 

So unless we are able to find a specific - TIME - EVENT - ACTION - ACTIVITY - LOCATION or such, but it is totally RANDOM, it would be hard to pinpoint, in that .. well we had nothing to gauge.

How i can get specific information about my crashes ? If i can get, then i can share with you.

 

 

I slowly went through your list and noticed a number of what I call, " graphic intense mods ", IE: Your Eye Mods and so on. The question I have ... is your Video Card able to handle a lot of graphic intense mods? I do know, from personal experience that if a Video Card gets " pushed to hard ", it can CTD.

 

I had to update my video card to a very HIGH END to stop that part of the equation.

I have 960m 4gb and i am playing with custom settings which are mostly equivalent to medium settings and i am gettin 35-50 fps around.

Still if u say my card is not enough, i can delete my graphic mods.

 

PS: Dude you are a very kind and helpful person, thank you for your efforts.

[jjb54]

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You can * NOT * just remove OPEN CITIES. Understand that you would have to start a new clean game IF you choose to remove Open Cities, in that OC has script and has to be totally removed from the game.

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.... I am using fallrim tools too. I thought i can delete the mod and clean my save ,however, it seem i wont delete the mod i think.

NO ... if it's not a Script Intense - semi intense mod, yes ... but as a rule, no. Simply put, not a good idea.

* See Note Below: UPDATING GAME.

The thing is about Random ( IF they are random ) that is a part of Skyrim - even just vanila and DLC's. The game can have random CTD's. It's just the nature of the beast.

But if the " Random " CTD's happen at given locations / actions and such, or timed, yes, there were some players that would CTD at given times: 1/2 hour - 45 Minutes and such. It was a real strange, but timed CTD. We found out it was mods that had either some random " refresh / reset " or the likes. Boy were those a challenge to find!

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.... CTDs happen when i go wilderness and some important location like dragonsreech, bluepalace etc but mostly i am able to play 1hour with no problem.

Now i have changed my mod rules sometimes vortex can be wrong about mod rules. I am testing new rules.

Okay, these are important clues that can be worked with, if / when we ( you ) are ready to engage the P.I.T.A. Protocol. See if you have issues with Whiterun / Dragonsreach and Solitude - Blue Palace, that was a clue of possible OPEN CITY ISSUES. If the wilderness areas are close to a city, this too could / might be related, but not 100%.

If you have a ' track record ', of CTD: IE: When I get X close to Whiterun - CTD or Solitude or fill in the blank ... then we can go into the P.I.T.A. Protocol and find the actual answer! :D .. well okay, maybe :D is over kill ... maybe more like :|

** See Note below: The P.I.T.A. Protocol

So unless we are able to find a specific - TIME - EVENT - ACTION - ACTIVITY - LOCATION or such, but it is totally RANDOM, it would be hard to pinpoint, in that .. well we had nothing to gauge.

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.... How i can get specific information about my crashes ? If i can get, then i can share with you.

Note as above, you stated, Dragonsreach, Blue Palace, Wilderness and 1 hour. These are clues that we need to refine. Make note of and then seek / find what mod / mods could be at play.

But sometimes, as I learned in 2013, never expect the obvious! I had floating land mass West of Whiterun and looked at all the mods that should have been obvious. WRONG!!!!! I had to engage the P.I.T.A. Protocol and turned off all my mods until I found it was a simple, no thrill house mod in Winterhold, of all places. I posted it on that mods page for confirmation and it was confirmed, even by the mod creator. He had to finally remove the mod, as he could not figure out / find what / why his mod was doing this. So, Open Cities might be the problem .... but ...... :P

PS: Dude you are a very kind and helpful person, thank you for your efforts.

I'm simply " paying it forward ". I remember back in 2012 / 13 I needed some help and there were some very good patient people ( and not so patient ) that did their best to help. So, simply put - when you feel like you can help someone in the future: PAY IT FORWARD! :D

* UPDATING GAME.

As a rule, even updating an existing mod in a current game is NOT a good idea, as they too can cause corruptions to take place and cleaning a saved game is NOT always a good idea, unless it's a last ditch effort.

1. ALWAYS make periodic backups of your game.

IE: C:\Users\Jj\Documents\my games\Skyrim Special Edition\Saves\08-23-2019_HighHrothgarDone\

Here I have all saved games copied that are time - date and description. So I know if / when I need to go back to a certain spot or not.

Also, IF you decide you much really update a mod and / or add a mod:

.... BACK UP YOUR SAVED GAME FIRST TO A NEW DIRECTORY, like above.

..... Back up the current version MOD you are using, just in case the update screws up your game and you have to fall back. You can! :)

** The P.I.T.A. Protocol:

Turn off ALL mods, DLC's are not mods. DO NOT TURN OFF DLC's! Then you start a totally clean game with NO - ZERO - mods loaded. Go to area that causes CTD and SAVE NEW GAME at this point. DO NOT OVER WRITE THIS SAVE. I strongly suggest you back it up, just in case.

Then you turn on 1 MOD at a time, play for X amount of time and see if any CTD's happen as they did in prior game issues. Then SAVE a NEW SAVE .... and exit, turn on the next mod and repeat.... and repeat, until CTD happens. Then NOTE that mod's name and turn it off, go to prior saved before that CTD MOD and turn on next mod. Understand, that there could be more than 1 mod at play. Again, repeat until all mods are tested.

. o O ( See why I call it the P.I.T.A. Protocol????)

[Larshadowalker]

Dude I understand what all u mean. For now, my CTDs are not critical. I am a psychologist and I have no time for P.I.T.A protocol (at least in these days) :laugh: 1 hour is enough for me now :sleep:

I usually execute P.I.T.A protocol 2 times in a year, restart to modding with new build ( step by step ). I was curious about WryeBash thing at the beginning and u said it is ok then it is ok for me too.

Thank u again for all of your efforts.

 

If this community can simplify the modding process with TES6 this will be a remarkable progress (I hope and believe community will do).

I am not a programmer or PC Master like our modders (Enai,Arthmoor, etc.) and modding is a very energy consuming process and requires informational background, so for me and other players like me, this situation hurts us :confused: