CTD most of the time when I try to save, whether it's Quicksave or a hard save.

[SevereArtisan]

I've been CTD'ing most of the time whenever I save for some reason, whether it's out in the open world or in interior cells and whether I overwrite a save or try to make a new one. I can sometimes save successfully in either in the open world or in interior cells, but most of the time, it's a CTD and I need help fixing this problem.

 

I've tried a lot of different things to try to fix this thus far, including downloading BethINI, uninstalling some mods (Minor ones that are relatively safe to uninstall that might have been conflicting with other mods, and two major ones (OBIS and Wet and Cold. This was happening even before these mods were uninstalled)) and cleaning the save of orphan scripts/instances with Skyrim Resaver/FallrimTools. LOOT isn't reporting any issues either and my mod order is set up correctly as far as I can tell.

My current save file is about 18.2 MB in size. My Skyrim version is 1.5.73 with the corresponding/correct SKSE64. Besides this save issue, my game runs perfectly fine and I'll otherwise CTD maybe once a blue moon.

Here is my current load order (0 ofc. meaning the mod is in the Bashed Patch):

Skyrim.esm=1

Update.esm=1

Dawnguard.esm=1

HearthFires.esm=1

Dragonborn.esm=1

RSkyrimChildren.esm=1

Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp=1

BSAssets.esm=1

BSHeartland.esm=1

BS_DLC_patch.esp=1

ApachiiHair.esm=1

Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1

Ecotone Dual Sheath.esl=1

BBLuxurySuite.esm=1

Campfire.esm=1

FlowerGirls SE.esm=1

Vigilant.esm=1

FISS.esp=1

WM_WidgetMod.esl=1

ApachiiHairFemales.esm=1

SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp=1

Qw_BeyondSkyrimBruma_USSEP Hotfix Patch.esp=1

Immersive Wenches.esp=1

UnlimitedBookshelves.esp=1

SkyUI_SE.esp=1

iNeed.esp=1

iNeed - Extended.esp=1

Joy of Perspective.esp=1

Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp=1

Qw_ISC_USSEP Patch.esp=0

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1

RLO - Interiors.esp=1

Helgen Reborn.esp=1

RLO - Exteriors.esp=1

TW3MO.esp=1

icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp=1

FNIS.esp=1

RaceMenu.esp=1

RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1

Player Size Adjuster.esp=1

OpulentThievesGuild.esp=1

Particle Patch for ENB SSE.esp=1

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp=1

Sjel Blad Castle_SE.esp=1

MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp=1

HearthfireMultiKid.esp=1

Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=1

Bruma - Less Item Weight.esp=0

Aurlyn.esp=1

Point The Way.esp=1

Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp=1

Immersive Encounters.esp=1

DaggerCraft.esp=1

BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp=1

WeightLessTrueAll.esp=0

WeightLessTrueCrafting.esp=0

WeightLessTrueGems.esp=0

WeightLessTrueIngredients.esp=0

WeightLessTrueScrolls.esp=0

WeightLessTrueSoulGems.esp=0

Insanity's Sorrow.esp=1

LonelyKarliah.esp=1

Companions No Werewolf Option.esp=1

AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1

SleepTight.esp=1

FaraamOutfit.esp=1

ABT SE - Faster Arrows Improved.esp=0

ABT SE - Faster Bolts Improved.esp=0

ABT SE - Increased Bolts Damage.esp=1

ABT SE - Increased Progressive Damage.esp=0

ABT SE - Loot Ammo.esp=0

ABT SE - Merchants Arrows.esp=0

ABT SE - Recover Ammo.esp=1

GoToBed.esp=1

VioLens SE.esp=1

DS Unead Legion.esp=1

DS Firelink Armor.esp=1

DS Wolf Knight.esp=1

DS Leonhard Armor.esp=1

DS Desert Pyromancer.esp=1

DS3 Weapon Pack.esp=1

UUNP Vanilla Outfits.esp=1

Perfect Legionnaire - Troops Re-equipment.esp=1

Tribunal Robes for SSE.esp=1

DS Elite Knight Armor.esp=1

DS Faraam Armor.esp=1

BB Pack by Team TAL.esp=1

CiriHair.esp=1

Brows.esp=1

SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp=1

BetterStaffofMagnus.esp=0

Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp=1

CiriOutfit.esp=1

Realistic-Voice.esp=1

FastTravelSpeedMultiplier.esp=1

Brighter toggleable Candlelight and Torches.esp=1

StojaMakeupPack.esp=1

KS Hairdo's.esp=1

Carry Weight x2.esp=1

TGNoToNocturnal.esp=1

XPMSE.esp=1

SOSRaceMenu.esp=1

SGEyebrows.esp=1

SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp=1

MiniBikini.esp=1

LadyMiraak.esp=1

FlowerGirls SE - IW Patch.esp=1

Kai's Lipstick.esp=1

YMMP.esp=1

Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp=1

Northgirl.esp=1

Legendary Shouts.esp=1

Vortikais Dragon Aspect.esp=1

StormWrathLightning.esp=0

AnimatedEatingRedux.esp=1

3PCOFull.esp=1

ShieldWard.esp=1

FortifyDestructionDamage.esp=1

JBMod.esp=1

FNISSexyMove.esp=1

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp=0

SimplyKnock.esp=1

RSChildren.esp=1

RSChildren Patch - BS Bruma.esp=0

BS_Campfire.esp=1

Bruma - iNeed Patch.esp=0

Jop - BrumaPatch.esp=0

Heart Breaker SE.esp=1

UE_Royal_Vampire_Armor.esp=0

RLO - Effects.esp=1

RLO - Illuminated Spells.esp=0

Jewelry limiter.esp=1

Immersive Encounters - RS Children Patch.esp=1

Thrallmaker.esp=1

Visible Favorited Gear.esp=1

RSC HR Patch.esp=0

adoptAventusAretino.esp=1

HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp=1

RSC_USSEP_AventusFix.esp=0

adoptAventusAretino_RSChildrenUSSEP.esp=0

MoreVampireEyes.esp=1

CharmingHighHeels.esp=1

arvak_replace.esp=0

Quel'Delar SE - Johnskyrim.esp=1

sithlightning.esp=1

Magicka Sabers Unique.esp=1

AFT_ManagedFollowerBoost.esp=1

AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp=0

BBLS_SKSE64_Patch.esp=1

Keep It Clean.esp=1

SnowElfPalace.esp=1

RiversideLodge.esp=1

Inigo.esp=1

MoonstoneCastle.esp=1

Frostfall.esp=1

SofiaFollower.esp=1

SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp=1

MiraakFollower.esp=1

mihaildaedroth.esp=1

White River Cottage.esp=1

Deus Mons.esp=1

mihailzombies.esp=1

EliteKnightArmor.esp=1

BSHeartland - Unofficial Patch.esp=1

mihailesobonecolossus.esp=1

Rayeks_End_SSE_1.0.esp=1

FlowerGirls SE - Adventures.esp=1

mihailwatcher.esp=1

mihailharvestereso.esp=1

Marry Me Serana.esp=1

HothFollower.esp=1

Solar.esp=1

Geralt.esp=1

LV_Cirilla.esp=1

NoldorArmor.esp=1

DivinePunishmentForArrowsToTheKnee.esp=1

dovahkiinrelax.esp=1

Rayeks_End_SSE_1.0 - Keep It Clean.esp=0

notice board.esp=1

mmagrievoustwilight.esp=1

blackreachrailroadnew.esp=1

SOS - Shop.esp=1

mihailmmasithis.esp=1

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1

PinecrestEstate.esp=1

artotiasabysswalkerlagrie.esp=1

mihaillich.esp=1

mihailxivilai.esp=1

Lucien.esp=1

Shindara.esp=1

isilNarsil.esp=1

ZenitharWorkshop.esp=1

LevelersTower.esp=1

ornsteinlagrie.esp=1

NewArmoury.esp=1

Dr_Bandolier.esp=1

DS3 Weapon Pack New Armoury Patch.esp=0

My Home Is Your Home.esp=1

bm_SimpleAction.esp=1

CiceroFemaleSE.esp=1

mihailstormgolem.esp=1

MonnoBikini.esp=1

Yashira.esp=1

Ecotone Dual Sheath Patch.esp=1

Merta Black Rose Armor.esp=1

Nerida.esp=1

BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp=1

TW3Weaponry.esp=1

StrangeRunes.esp=1

ESO Altmer Armor by NewrMind43.esp=1

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1

FlowerGirls SE - Bathing Beauties Patch.esp=1

ShindaraHeelsOutfit.esp=0

BecomeABard.esp=1

Vigilant Outfits.esp=0

TKDodge.esp=1

TakeNotes.esp=1

AMatterOfTime.esp=1

SkyHUD.esp=1

WM_WidgetMod.esp=1

Shieldmaidens Beastmaidens muscle slider.esp=1

OpulentThievesGuildPatch.esp=1

TGBC.esp=1

Immersive Wenches -Apachii hairs- Patch.esp=0

Volkihar Knight.esp=1

Serana.esp=1

Valerica.esp=1

Qw_BarenziahQuestMarkers_USSEP Patch.esp=0

Qw_SofiaFollower_USSEP Patch.esp=1

TW3_femaleArmors_zzjay.esp=1

Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp=1

Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp=1

Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp=1

Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp=1

Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp=1

Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp=1

Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1

RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp=1

RDO - USSEP Patch.esp=1

Immersive Wenches -Immersive Citizens AI Overhaul Patch-.esp=1

Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp=1

CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp=1

Serana Dialogue Edit.esp=1

RLO - IC Patch.esp=1

Dawnguard Vampire - SDE.esp=1

Qw_SofiaFollower_RDO Patch.esp=1

Open Cities Skyrim.esp=1

Immersive Citizens - OCS patch.esp=1

Immersive Encounters - Open Cities Patch.esp=1

CWIOCSSEPatch.esp=1

notice board - open cities patch.esp=1

BrelynaMaryon.esp=1

nightcloak.esp=1

Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp=1

Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1

Edited September 1, 2019 by SevereArtisan

[Deleted64927026User]

17,8 mb is pretty heavy, did you try to reduce its size?

Its not dangerously high but then again "dangerously high" depends on your system

 

Removing scripted mods is bad, very bad. Always bad. Even if you do it with greatest caution theres a good chance that they will cause issues in the future. Did you remove mods in the past?

Minor mods usually only cause obvious conflicts and they usually arent random (a cell edit in Whiterun shouldnt cause a CTD in Riften)

 

Im confused what you mean with your bashed patch note at the top. Are there mods in there or no?

 

You dont need the modern brawl bug fix when you use Ordinator, Ordinator already contains the bugfix

Edited September 1, 2019 by Guest

[SevereArtisan]

17,8 mb is pretty heavy, did you try to reduce its size?

Its not dangerously high but then again "dangerously high" depends on your system

 

Removing scripted mods is bad, very bad. Always bad. Even if you do it with greatest caution theres a good chance that they will cause issues in the future. Did you remove mods in the past?

Minor mods usually only cause obvious conflicts and they usually arent random (a cell edit in Whiterun shouldnt cause a CTD in Riften)

 

Im confused what you mean with your bashed patch note at the top. Are there mods in there or no?

 

You dont need the modern brawl bug fix when you use Ordinator, Ordinator already contains the bugfix

If there's a way to reduce a save file's size, I don't know of it. There a mod or a program I can use for that?

 

The only time I've really removed mods is just earlier tonight to try and fix the problem (And the minor mods are stuff like changing Destruction perks which would conflict with Ordinator). Other than that, I haven't for this playthrough. I have, however, installed a few new mods a few days ago namely Lucien, Hoth, the Notice Board mod, and OBIS.

 

What I mean with the Bashed Patch note is plugins showing "0" instead of "1" means they're in the Bashed Patch itself.

 

Should I uninstall the Modern Brawl Bug Fix mod/plugin then?

[Deleted64927026User]

Go into your Skyrim folder -> Data -> SKSE and create a skse.ini

Inside this skse.ini write those lines:

[General]

ClearInvalidRegistrations=1

or because were all lazy you can download an ini file on nexus

I dont know if this works on SE but I cant see why it shouldnt, you can manually execute this command via console:

ClearInvalidRegistrations

Note that this isnt a "I snap with my finger and everythings fine" kind of thing. This command will try to clear invalid registrations (I know you didnt expect that) and stop some ongoing events in your background which might overload your papyrus and shrink your save >over time< (or makes sure it doesnt grow because of such things..)

Something that is less likely to help you but is a nice QoL thing to reduce savefile size and make your game (slightly) faster:

"coc qasmoke" and then "pcb" in console. This will remove in your savefile stored cell data.

You should do this when you want to uninstall (or install) mods that edit cells youve already visited

XPMSE is also known for causing save bloats. You can disable the .esp but dont uninstall the mod

___

Did you have the same issues before installing those mods? If they appeared after the installation of them.. well I hope that you still have that save before you installed them as your best chance is to simply start playing from there again and see if it fixes your problem

Even if [ClearInvalidRegistrations] helps, this is a much saver solution

(Still, it wouldnt hurt if you create a skse.ini file)

If it does then one of your new mods conflict with something thats already there, you can either just give up on using those mods or you install one at a time, play for a "few days" and check if the problem doesnt reappear

CTD on save usually happens because your having some sort of script overload. This doesnt just happen like that and it sometimes takes a pretty long time before it actually causes problems (speaking of hours or even days of playtime right there). Scripts are usually running for a while before they cause issues. Removing them and then cleaning your save doesnt nessecarily help either as scripts will be.. "engraved" in your save, so there will always be some leftovers. Thats just how Skyrim works

Now that I think about it, when was the last time you died? Dying closes all running scripts and restarts them. Might help to close scripts that shouldnt be running anymore

but simliar to the skse.ini, its only a small thing to do that might not fix any issues

___

Youre not hitting the 254 .esp limit are you? my .txt tells me that youre using 254 .esps and a bashed patch

Some of them are probably light, so dont count towards that limit

Dont use a bashed patch unless you need it, may cause unnecessary crashes

___

Ernai (the author of ordinator and the brawl fix) states that Ordinator already containts a more advanced version of the modern brawl bug fix and that the original fix can be uninstalled. I never used the fix myself as Ordinator was already a thing when I started modding

The fix uses a few scripts, so if you need the .esp slot you can try removing it. If you dont need that .esp slot, dont remove but let it load before Ordinator, so that Ordinators fix will overwrite this mod

If youre not able to fix your issue and start a new game, uninstall it before starting your new game

___

Im kind of confused what I wrote so far but few things are important so I may mention it a 2nd time:

The only way to fix your issue completly is by going back to a point where that issue didnt exist. Save corruption is like a scar, you wont get rid of it no matter how hard you try

killing yourself or cleaning your safe are ways to live with the corruption for some time (if youre lucky) but theres no guarantee that it will be gone for good

Save corruption usually cant be solved by simply uninstalling a mod. Once its there, its there

I also want to note that removing a mod >can< not >will< cause corruption. You dont have to be afraid of removing a mod, just dont do it lighthearted and regulary.

Edited September 1, 2019 by Guest

[Algabar]

In addition to the "guide" above: What happens when you start a new game?

 

Would be helpful to know if the CTD issue also exists on a completely fresh game. If it does, it's very likely a mod issue. If it doesn't, its probably a savegame problem.

[jjb54]

In addition to the "guide" above: What happens when you start a new game?

 

Would be helpful to know if the CTD issue also exists on a completely fresh game. If it does, it's very likely a mod issue. If it doesn't, its probably a savegame problem.

 

I agree with this and would also add - Did you start a new game w/out the mods turned on and does it CTD?

 

I've got a feeling you have some scripted mods that do NOT like each other ... but you would have to engage the P.I.T.A. Protocol to find out which mods are causing this.

[SevereArtisan]

 

Go into your Skyrim folder -> Data -> SKSE and create a skse.ini

Inside this skse.ini write those lines:

[General]

ClearInvalidRegistrations=1

or because were all lazy you can download an ini file on nexus

I dont know if this works on SE but I cant see why it shouldnt, you can manually execute this command via console:

ClearInvalidRegistrations

Note that this isnt a "I snap with my finger and everythings fine" kind of thing. This command will try to clear invalid registrations (I know you didnt expect that) and stop some ongoing events in your background which might overload your papyrus and shrink your save >over time< (or makes sure it doesnt grow because of such things..)

Something that is less likely to help you but is a nice QoL thing to reduce savefile size and make your game (slightly) faster:

"coc qasmoke" and then "pcb" in console. This will remove in your savefile stored cell data.

You should do this when you want to uninstall (or install) mods that edit cells youve already visited

XPMSE is also known for causing save bloats. You can disable the .esp but dont uninstall the mod

___

Did you have the same issues before installing those mods? If they appeared after the installation of them.. well I hope that you still have that save before you installed them as your best chance is to simply start playing from there again and see if it fixes your problem

Even if [ClearInvalidRegistrations] helps, this is a much saver solution

(Still, it wouldnt hurt if you create a skse.ini file)

If it does then one of your new mods conflict with something thats already there, you can either just give up on using those mods or you install one at a time, play for a "few days" and check if the problem doesnt reappear

CTD on save usually happens because your having some sort of script overload. This doesnt just happen like that and it sometimes takes a pretty long time before it actually causes problems (speaking of hours or even days of playtime right there). Scripts are usually running for a while before they cause issues. Removing them and then cleaning your save doesnt nessecarily help either as scripts will be.. "engraved" in your save, so there will always be some leftovers. Thats just how Skyrim works

Now that I think about it, when was the last time you died? Dying closes all running scripts and restarts them. Might help to close scripts that shouldnt be running anymore

but simliar to the skse.ini, its only a small thing to do that might not fix any issues

___

Youre not hitting the 254 .esp limit are you? my .txt tells me that youre using 254 .esps and a bashed patch

Some of them are probably light, so dont count towards that limit

Dont use a bashed patch unless you need it, may cause unnecessary crashes

___

Ernai (the author of ordinator and the brawl fix) states that Ordinator already containts a more advanced version of the modern brawl bug fix and that the original fix can be uninstalled. I never used the fix myself as Ordinator was already a thing when I started modding

The fix uses a few scripts, so if you need the .esp slot you can try removing it. If you dont need that .esp slot, dont remove but let it load before Ordinator, so that Ordinators fix will overwrite this mod

If youre not able to fix your issue and start a new game, uninstall it before starting your new game

___

Im kind of confused what I wrote so far but few things are important so I may mention it a 2nd time:

The only way to fix your issue completly is by going back to a point where that issue didnt exist. Save corruption is like a scar, you wont get rid of it no matter how hard you try

killing yourself or cleaning your safe are ways to live with the corruption for some time (if youre lucky) but theres no guarantee that it will be gone for good

Save corruption usually cant be solved by simply uninstalling a mod. Once its there, its there

I also want to note that removing a mod >can< not >will< cause corruption. You dont have to be afraid of removing a mod, just dont do it lighthearted and regulary.

 

Yeah, I found out about the Clear Invalid Registrations thing just yesterday. Added it to my SKSE.ini file. I'll try out the pcb and qasmoke thing later/when I can. So far, I've been going to qasmoke and saving there as a temporary solution whenever I decide to save and it works without any issues thus far.

 

I did not have those issues until I installed those mods. I've tried the player.kill thing several times but no luck there unfortunately.

 

I have 255 esps at the moment. I would have even more if I hadn't uninstalled several mods already. I know about the 255 hard limit hence why I have a Bashed Patch in the first place.

 

 

 

In addition to the "guide" above: What happens when you start a new game?

 

Would be helpful to know if the CTD issue also exists on a completely fresh game. If it does, it's very likely a mod issue. If it doesn't, its probably a savegame problem.

The CTD issue doesn't happen to me on a completely fresh game (With mods on) so yeah, probably a save game problem.

 

 

 

 

In addition to the "guide" above: What happens when you start a new game?

 

Would be helpful to know if the CTD issue also exists on a completely fresh game. If it does, it's very likely a mod issue. If it doesn't, its probably a savegame problem.

 

I agree with this and would also add - Did you start a new game w/out the mods turned on and does it CTD?

 

I've got a feeling you have some scripted mods that do NOT like each other ... but you would have to engage the P.I.T.A. Protocol to find out which mods are causing this.

 

What is the P.I.T.A Protocol exactly? Also, I started up a new game just now with mods on and there's no CTD.

 

 

EDIT: Considering I've beaten the game and there's only radiant quest stuff for me to do, I might just uninstall mods I don't need and install mods I do want (Like Legacy of the Dragonborn, which requires me to start a new game anyhow since I have Open Cities) before starting a New Game Plus.

Edited September 2, 2019 by SevereArtisan

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Edited September 13, 2019 by T-Mush-S

[TMushS]

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