Why Would You Vote For This Man?

[humanbean234]

Tax plan comparison of the two candidates.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obam...S-tax30.article

 

If questions of taxation are your primary concern in any election, you think with your current bank-account, you don't think of the future of your family, your country, and your planet.

 

Long view, people... gotta' take a LONG view.

 

Also, RE: Canadian healthcare -vs- American healthcare.

I serve in the US Army, and currently have waited a year (a full year, dangit) to get a simple dental repair done... an implant to replace a molar that was extracted at Ft. Sam Houston due to an abcess that ran on for 48 hours longer than it should have been allowed to... damned Drill Sergeant insisted I wait until Monday Morning to go on sick-call, because he didn't want to do the paperwork on the weekend to take me to the dental clinic.

Don't talk to me about speed-factors in American healthcare.

 

The World Health Organization has rated the healthcare systems of its' member nations. Canada? 30th. United States? 37th.

 

Source: http://www.who.int/whr/en/index.html

[Omnimmotus]

To be perfectly honest, I planned to read your massive post. It was so confusing, however, I stopped after the first full paragraph.

 

Based on that, I can only make two statements:

 

1) I disagree with your belief that experience is always good.

 

2) There are many ignorant people on both sides of this election. To pretend any different is completely ignorant as well. Just because you know a few Democratic idiots doesn't mean that the intelligent voters are also idiots.

I agree with this man on both counts. The older a person is, the more set in their ways they are. Experience is always something to take into account, but sometimes you need someone malleable and willing to meet the needs of the people, not make the people meet his vision. As for ignorant people, both Democrats and Republicans rely on the ignorant votes to make their wins. The Republicans rely heavily on the hick vote, for example. (I'm a Missourian. I know some hicks.) Think about it; why is it that the coasts, the bustling areas of activity, tend to vote Democrat, while the rural areas, the uneducated and those who are not in touch with others, tend to vote Republican? The closer to a city, the more Democratic it gets. The fewer people in a county, the more Republican it gets.

 

I voted for Barack Obama because I agree with him on many of the issues, and he has a very statesmanlike poise. Both the greatest and the worst leaders have had great charisma; its not the charisma that's the problem, its just the lubricant for the true issues. I'm not willing to take a chance on McCain, who could go senile or die and leave Palin, the queen of inexperience, to run the nation. I admit, I rather like McCain. However, Obama is taking us in the direction I want, and he has Biden to provide some much needed experienced perspective to his choices.

 

Ok this is interesting. I don't support Obama for multiple reasons

 

1) abortion- A) I myself am a Catholic and so cannot, in anyway, support a man who would kill an unborn child.

B)At the moment of conception the baby has 46 chromosomes. Don't all animals have 46 also? Not to mention humans.

C)I know this gets old but, would you like it if I pulled the trigger and killed you? Probably not. Why take an unborn child and kill it?

 

I had a or rather WOULD have had a brother. He died in a miscarriage. I was able to hold the dish in my hand where his corpse was. I cried. And if you wouldn't then your not human and you can vulk yourself and slit your throat hang yourself or whatever I don't care just DON'T say it's right to kill unborn children.

 

2) taxes- I don't see how you can say that you want to be taxed more you made your money legitimately and should be entitled to it it shouldn't be given to people who don't work. Also what Obama doesn't tell you is that he won't reinstate the Bush tax cuts they will just go away in 2010

 

3) unemployment- unemployment is at the lowest it's been in many years a mere 5% (steadily rising around election time) and I DO blame Bush for that (I blame him for a good thing).

Ironic. Some of the reasons I support Obama are as follows:

 

1) Abortion- Life isn't a pretty place, and we must choose the lesser of two evils. Sometimes, the birth of a child will only bring economic hardship to the parents and the child. If the parents don't want the child, the child will likely feel responsible for hurting them for the rest of its life, and that is something I wish to force on no one. Nature is a prime example that we do what is right, not prevent what is wrong. In nature, thousands of animals suffer horrible painful deaths daily. And yet, without this, life could not exist, and humanity could not exist either. It is a sacrifice for a broader perspective.

 

2) Taxes- Let's say there are 100,000 people, and each earns $100. If left as is, each can spend their $100 as they choose. However, if you tax $10 from each person for police funding, then each person gets $90 to spend freely and a $1,000,000 security force. Society is built so that we each contribute a little and we all gain a lot. The fortunate should be taxed so that the less fortunate can be more productive. It's like Robin Hood; steal from the rich, give to the poor. Except, it doesn't have to be illegal.

 

3) Unemployment- The economy has tanked over the past 8 years, slowly but surely, accelerating to a painful conclusion this year. I've seen people I know who've worked at a place for 30 years with nigh perfect records get fired for little to no reason. The last time we got out of a similar situation it was with FDR's new deal; a highly tax-and-spend policy. Having gone from a Clinton surplus to Bush's largest deficit in the history of the United States, I'm wary of anyone with similar policies to Bush. As for the recent improvement of unemployment percentages, it could also be attributed to the coming of a Democratic congress not long ago.

 

4) Palin- 'nuff said.

[Michlo]

Moderator Edit:

This was just too off topic and a religious statement that it has been removed.

 

Sorry it makes your post in reply seem off, but it is not something that needs to detract from this topic.

 

Buddah

 

 

You just blew ANY credence you had, out of the water.

 

Please don't bother posting anymore.

 

 

Edit - Buddah is removing the post I quoted, nothing that *I* put, FYI. heh

[buddah]

Rather than passing judgment today on what may happen.....let us meet here in a couple of years and discuss what has transpired rather than speculate on what might be.

 

Just the thoughts of an old man.

 

Three things that should never be discussed in public.

 

1. your religious convictions. (I cannot change your faith)

 

2. your political views. [i cannot change your mind]

 

3. your significant other. {I cannot change your heart}

 

Buddah

[Skolhamarr]

always well put buddah

 

Politics should be over anyways, give Obama a chance like it or not he is there. As republican, I respect the office he now holds lets all fall in line try to unit this country. We can not have this devious, like we have right now. Only time will tell how, he comes out being a pres. and event lay in wait for him and this country. Great leaders are never born they are made by events. Events can also destroy a leader... In 2 years we get to choice new senate or keep the old, that will change how things will go for Obama.

[gandalftw]

Change can be painful,it can cause wounding and bring healing at the same instance.I don't know much about politics,i suppose i can be counted as one of the ignorant.

However,is my perception that some healing has occurred as the result of this election faulty?All i know is a, social and historical,dynamic shift has occurred,the results of which are yet to be known.

[tungol]

It's amusing how many people think they made some monumental choice in selecting between mobster A and mobster B. I spurned them both and voted for petty thief B instead.

 

Though I will say, I was surprised at myself watching Obama's acceptance speech. I actually got misty-eyed when he talked about that old lady from Atlanta, just one generation removed from slavery, and all the changes she'd seen in her lifetime. Most likely Obama will be as awful as every other president we've had. The only difference will be who's deluding themselves for the next 4 years. But the fact that the American people, formerly intensely racist from North to South and Ocean to Ocean, could elect a black man to be their president is monumentally significant. The politics of it are irrelevant; the social aspects are earth-shaking--not as an accomplishment in itself, but as proof of the transformation that has occurred.

 

I've prayed for him, and honestly wish him well even though he's already begun to break his campaign promises (namely that he wouldn't have lobbyists in his administration). And his chief of staff (? Rahm) is like %&$! Cheney on meth. And I fear all those people who voted for him thinking he would immediately withdraw our troops from other people's countries will be deeply disappointed (or worse, they'll make excuses). He's promised to do just the opposite, after all. (Hopefully that will be another campaign promise he breaks.) But for the time being I'm going to assume he genuinely wants to do the right thing and improve peoples' lives. He'll fail--what else can you expect from someone who fought for the Billionaires' Everlasting Bailout? But who knows, maybe he'll get lucky. I certainly hope so.

 

One last observation: When John McCain told me what I wanted to hear, I didn't believe him. When Barack Obama told his supporters what they did not want to hear, they didn't believe him. Go figure...

 

No, one more thing: This has been a great thread. Most of you have been rational, intellectually honest, and polite. And even those who haven't have at least been interesting and funny (and brief!)

[Michlo]

It's amusing how many people think they made some monumental choice in selecting between mobster A and mobster B. I spurned them both and voted for petty thief B instead.

 

Though I will say, I was surprised at myself watching Obama's acceptance speech. I actually got misty-eyed when he talked about that old lady from Atlanta, just one generation removed from slavery, and all the changes she'd seen in her lifetime. Most likely Obama will be as awful as every other president we've had. The only difference will be who's deluding themselves for the next 4 years. But the fact that the American people, formerly intensely racist from North to South and Ocean to Ocean, could elect a black man to be their president is monumentally significant. The politics of it are irrelevant; the social aspects are earth-shaking--not as an accomplishment in itself, but as proof of the transformation that has occurred.

 

I've prayed for him, and honestly wish him well even though he's already begun to break his campaign promises (namely that he wouldn't have lobbyists in his administration). And his chief of staff (? Rahm) is like %&$! Cheney on meth. And I fear all those people who voted for him thinking he would immediately withdraw our troops from other people's countries will be deeply disappointed (or worse, they'll make excuses). He's promised to do just the opposite, after all. (Hopefully that will be another campaign promise he breaks.) But for the time being I'm going to assume he genuinely wants to do the right thing and improve peoples' lives. He'll fail--what else can you expect from someone who fought for the Billionaires' Everlasting Bailout? But who knows, maybe he'll get lucky. I certainly hope so.

 

One last observation: When John McCain told me what I wanted to hear, I didn't believe him. When Barack Obama told his supporters what they did not want to hear, they didn't believe him. Go figure...

 

No, one more thing: This has been a great thread. Most of you have been rational, intellectually honest, and polite. And even those who haven't have at least been interesting and funny (and brief!)

 

 

Hmm, we need to find a way to get your glass half FULL. :P

[Ethre]

Hmm, we need to find a way to get your glass half FULL. tongue.gif

 

Perhaps remembering that the President isn't all powerful will help?

 

I've been gone, and hopefully I will be back a bit more now. :)

[philosopher101]

A person is smart people are dumb.

 

People don't change are ingnorant and never learn anything.

 

A person will learn and has the option to pull himself out of ignorance and change.

Some person's don't change and some People aren't persons.

 

 

My thoughts are that if indeed obama and his campaign have acted ignorantly, and if indeed the people have voted for him out of ignorance, then i woudl say that such events occur quite often.

 

If that did happen.

I will say no more, i have very strong views on politics, and am not ready to make a statement.

(hmmm, maybe i should run for president.)

 

 

 

Naaa.