azron Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 the props were somewhat heavy but you should watch the making of star wars on the DVD collection, in interviews Lucas states that the power behind the sabers made them extremely heavy, like old broadswords, this was not directly for the props, but for the way the fights were to be choreographed. the sabers in Episode 1-3 were just as heavy lore wise, it's just that the jedi training and such made light of such burdens, the prequels show Jedi capable of superhuman strength, speed, endurance and agility, and the movies override the expanded universe when two things directly contradict, personally, I feel we are focusing on this sort of thing a bit too much, in the end the most we'll have is a block command and a slashing motion or two, the saber combat won't be nearly as complex as even Dark Forces II. and just have the lightsabers as a separate .esp file for people who don't want em but do want the blasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerx243 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 problem is the sheer difference in power, I mean the Enclave could get worfed (beaten to a pulp by the empire to show how bada$$ the empire is) but the empire has so many stormtroopers, sophisticated ground vehicles and orbital strikes that would make the Great War look like a church picnic, about the only thing the brotherhood would be able to offer the rebels is manpower, and manpower has been repeatedly stated as being a big problem for the brotherhood, their main advantage has always been their technology, but compared to the Empire and Rebellion they are cavemen, granted the Ewoks did manage to play an important role in the battle of endor, to distract the Imperial forces, but they had the advantage of numbers, surprise, and so forth since only a single platoon of stormtroopers were deployed at the bunker. the best way is to have more of a proxy battle with an emphasis on small scale skirmishes and Espionage, but the overlying question is why would the empire with millions of worlds, quintillions of troops, and an entire galaxy to run, focus resources on attacking a single lonely old planet earth, especially the fallout earth. unless of course the Wormhole that connects our two galaxies somehow miraculously appears right smack dab in front of earth like the Bajoran Wormhole in Deep Space nine and they want to use Earth as a foothold within our galaxy for more complete conquest. I think I might have just beat my own argument :P What I ment was the Enclave basically through a sheer form of luck contact the Empire first and become allies making them a bit more of a hassle and even though the Fallout 3 weapons are considered crap by the Empire and Rebel Alliance they would still work for example the Empire's armour isn't that strong it was more just ment for looks heck if a small hit from a blaster kill a Stormtrooper in one hit a bullet would do some damage, the magnum for example, and for the Rebellion they really didn't have good armour like the power armour. Also it wouldn't be a full scale invasion with vehicles because most of the star wars vehicles would have major problems in the Fallout's wastes they could even have their own caravans (completly seperate factoins so as not to mess with mods that add caravan guards) if you where wearing stormtrooper or enclave armour the Empire/ Enclave wouldn't attack (not saying you couldn't attack them) and would sell you things and same concept for the Rebellion and Brotherhood's caravans the only thing that would be missing is the chance to see an Empire or Rebel ship fly over head (way up in the sky kinda like how the moon looks, in daytime they wouldn't be bright and easy to see but at night they have blinking lights and such and the only reason both sides arn't using the ships on the planet is because they want it to be still intact (they might think this is how we've always been scince they haven't been to Earth before). All that is basically a star wars mod I'd like to see. And azon a reply to your post the jedi appeared to have superhuman skills because of the force (force speed, strength ect.), Wow didn't know I was replying to two of your posts at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khravv Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 i tihnk most things have been settled, and that awsome man has a amost functinoal mlaster, and if he releases it, then we just need the rest, do it in increments and we'll have no problems, take what you want, leave the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerx243 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Adding to what i said before scince there are aliens in the game the star wars universe coming wouldn't be that far off. Also does any one even read my posts because I get almost no feed back on any of my ideas, is there some sort of thing where if you read my post you get hit with a bat or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtmaddog Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 lol no 1 gets hit with a bat but u know when ppl say "if you cant say enything nice dont say enything at all" there probly going off of that its called being some what nice about bing a %&$! so and i do like you ideal but im not i pro moder so i wud if i can but cant sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azron Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 the Empire's armour isn't that strong it was more just ment for looks heck if a small hit from a blaster kill a Stormtrooper in one hit a bullet would do some damage, the magnum for example, blasters are extremely powerful weapons, they may not make big holes, but they make holes in some really tough substances and can overload powerful shielding (by our standards), a blaster is considerably stronger than a .50 caliber in terms of what materials it can blow apart. just look at the sandcrawler, hand blasters taking out treds and even support beams for a vehicle that makes an M1abrams look like a Tonka truck. an excerpt from one of the novels describes a jedi hurling a spear into a stormtrooper's chest, the spear lifted the trooper off his feet and threw him several meters into a wall, not even a .50 cal anti-material rifle has that much force, and the fact that the spear didn't simply go straight through him is a testament to the armour's durability, the trooper himself was knocked unconcious however, and likely didn't wake up (I can imagine the force on the breastplate pushed it back, crushing his ribcage). the main weakness is the areas of the armour not protected by the plating, but since critical hits generally bypass armour anyhow, one can always say that a critical hit vs stormtrooper armour = you hit the unprotected joints, i'm pretty sure that's the justification Bethesda makes for all critical hits, as even T51b has vulnerable joints, so stormtrooper armour would provide even more protection while retaining the mobility of combat armour, but still be vulnerable to criticals. so your best bet when shooting at a stormtrooper if you are using a projectile weapon, is to aim for their joints and neck, put simply "aim for the black spots". but don't expect to do much damage to a trooper without making a critical hit or whipping out a fatman/mirv/alien blaster/firelance (which always crits) And azon a reply to your post the jedi appeared to have superhuman skills because of the force (force speed, strength ect.), Wow didn't know I was replying to two of your posts at the same time. exactly, the force is exactly what gave them their superhuman abilities, and since they had the luxury of A. having decades of training, and B. in the prime of their lives, with no loss of body to cybernetics.none of the force users in the OT had those luxuries. anyhow, the scenario could be easily up to the player, and multiple scenarios could be made to justify having star wars stuff in Fallout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noobsause Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 sorry for being an ass earlier but how can that thin white and ------->cheep<-------- armor reflect a 50. in the face, not likely+ ewalks killed them with rocks!..... rocks! if a rock can kill one a f-ing 50. would splatter there brains every where! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FussyGit Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I imagine it was becuase thin cheap plastic costumes is alot cheaper to make when your filming movies than real power armour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerx243 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Stormtroopers are not prepared to fight all the creatures on Earth. Our weapons could still do damage even if they didn't pierce the armour it would snap the neck scince neck support isn't an Empire perk and if like cliamed the armour is strong then it'd be kinda heavy so it wouldn't take much to snap a stormtroopers neck. Also who's to say the Rebellion because of the fact they were driving the Empire out of their galaxy didn't have a overstock of weapons to give to the Brotherhood and people they aproved of. Also if we encorperate a mod that alows certain armour to make a certain faction friendly (I use Armor Disguises by Suijen) then so if you still want a sort of stormtrooper look but without the Brotherhood and Rebels hunting you down use a work bench to create a new version of that armour (Stormtrooper Outcast (or a better sugestion) Armour) that has a new colour marking added (like what the Brotherhood outcasts did with their Armour) just combine base armour with a paint gun and then the helmet with a paint gun and you shall recive your new Rebel and Brotherhood and maybe even Enclave and Empire (as long as you don't have any other gun then their blaster equipped) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noobsause Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 wow imagine a death claw vs a storm trooper! gore fest :sick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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