CTD when loading or changing zones after becoming Arch-mage

[Nicknimh]

RESOLVED: This was caused by some bug with the mannequin added by Obscure's College of Winterhold to the Arch-mage's quarters, which does not appear until the PC becomes Arch-mage. It can be fixed by installing the mod "Mannequins stay put." lol nope, not actually resolved after all, more information in second post

 

 

I finished the College of Winterhold questline and became Arch-mage. I hung around the college and progressed in a couple more quests, went to the Arch-mage's quarters to sleep, and quit the game for a while. When I started playing again I immediately realized that whenever I tried to leave the room or save (both quicksave and permanent save) I get a CTD. In the case of changing zones, I go through the whole loading screen first, then get the crash. I went back to a save I made a little after defeating Ancano, which was made in the Hall of Attainment. Same problem. My last save before that was just before entering Labyrinthian, and there the bug did not occur.

 

So I went back to that save and once more played to the point of beating Ancano. Made a permanent save, quit the game for a while. Came back and I start getting the CTD again. This time, while redoing the quest, I made a save when I arrived in Winterhold with the Staff of Magnus. That save does not have the crash, so the crucial point seems to be completing the questline and becoming Arch-mage. As I said before, the problem does not start immediately when I pass that point, only when I exit the game and come back.

 

Some other things I've tried, none of which prevented the CTD:

• Unequipping the Arch-mage's robes
• Disabling Obscure's College of Winterhold and Immersive College NPCs
• Running LOOT

Edit: I have done some more experimentation, and the crucial point appears to be not becoming arch-mage, but entering the arch-mage's quarters for the first time. I defeated Ancano again and made a save immediately after the scene with the Psijics and receiving the robes. Exited the game, loaded it, and no CTD when changing zones. Went to the quarters, made a save there, and when I restarted and loaded that save, I had the CTD. Therefore, my best guess is that this is a problem with Obscure's College of Winterhold. I will contact the mod author and let him know.

 

System Info:

Desktop

i5-6500 @3.20 GHz

RX 480, 8 GB VRAM

MB: MSI B150M

8 GB system RAM

Windows 10

Game is installed to steam library on external SSD partition; mods installed on same partition.

Game path: G:\winsteamlibrary\steamapps\common\Skyrim Special Edition

MO2 SSE base directory path: G:\MOSSEbase

Partition has 16 GB of free space

 

Load order:

   0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
  5  5     Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
  6  6     MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm
  7  7     DynDOLOD.esm
  8  8     Campfire.esm
  9  9     SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
 10  a     Circlets and Masks with all Robes and Hoods.esp
 11  b     SkyUI_SE.esp
 12  c     FloraRespawnFix.esp
254 FE   0 MajesticMountains_Moss.esp
 13  d     Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
254 FE   1 MajesticMountains.esp
 14  e     Cloaks.esp
 15  f     Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
 16 10     Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
 17 11     Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
254 FE   2 ICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.esp
 18 12     dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
 19 13     Dragon Stalking Fix.esp
 20 14     Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
 21 15     Luminosity - Skyrim is Lit Edition.esp
 22 16     OCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.esp
 23 17     SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp
 24 18     Cathedral Weathers.esp
254 FE   3 SunDaytimeNorth_MM_default.esp
 25 19     Cathedral Landscapes.esp
 26 1a     Cathedral Water Overhaul.esp
 27 1b     IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
 28 1c     Serana Dialogue Edit.esp
 29 1d     Helgen Reborn.esp
 30 1e     Particle Patch for ENB SSE.esp
 31 1f     Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
 32 20     Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp
 33 21     TheChoiceIsYours.esp
 34 22     Inigo.esp
 35 23     Immersive Patrols II.esp
 36 24     Frostfall.esp
 37 25     WetandCold.esp
254 FE   4 SoS_Cathedral_Patch.esp
 38 26     UnreadBooksGlow.esp
 39 27     Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
 40 28     Dynamic TimeScale.esp
 41 29     AMatterOfTime.esp
 42 2a     SimplyKnock.esp
 43 2b     HMB TCC.esp
 44 2c     The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
 45 2d     SSEeditMergedPatch.esp
 46 2e     VitalityMode.esp
254 FE   5 OCW_ICNs_OE_FEPatch.esp
254 FE   6 OCW_SoS_FEPatch.esp
 47 2f     RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
254 FE   7 TCIY_Wintersun_Patch.esp
 48 30     Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
 49 31     Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
 50 32     Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
 51 33     Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
 52 34     DynDOLOD.esp

LOOT debug log:

[22:10:25.636156] [warning]: Blocking load of resource at https://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Roboto+Mono:400,700|Roboto:400,300,300italic,400italic,500,500italic,700,700italic
[22:10:29.376782] [warning]: Chromium console message from http://loot/ui/app.bundle.js at line 9: You have set a custom wheel sensitivity.  This will make your app zoom unnaturally when using mainstream mice.  You should change this value from the default only if you can guarantee that all your users will use the same hardware and OS configuration as your current machine.

Edited December 17, 2019 by Nicknimh

[Nicknimh]

I am making a second post, since I have found a couple new things in the course of my ongoing troubleshooting.

 

First of all, the Arch-mage's quarters does not appear to be important after all. I will list below the conditions in which a CTD occurs about 80-90% of the time (but not always):

1. The save being loaded was made after completing the quest "The Eye of Magnus"
2. The save is the first save to be loaded after running the game
3. After loading, I attempt to transition to a different cell or make a new save

Something unusual I have discovered is that if I load an affected save, then load the same save again or another affected save (either in-game or by returning to the main menu), I will not experience the CTD. From all this, I would surmise both of the following:

1. The bug is caused by completing The Eye of Magnus, or something that occurs around that point
2. The bug is likely caused by something about the process of loading a save

I am honestly pretty stumped here. I've put nearly 100 hours into this playthrough and now it's semi-broken. I guess I could just continue by loading my saves twice every time I start, but that hardly seems advisable. If anyone could help I would really appreciate it.

[sunspot72]

Have you resolved this issue?

 

I am having the exact same problem.

 

I have immersive college of winterhold and the midden expanded mods installed, but uninstalling these mods has not stopped the problem from occurring.

 

I also have interesting npc's mod installed and while this mod cannot be un-installed I have added the 3DNPC_Winterhold compatibility patch and still no better :(

 

I have cleaned my save game with the Skyrim Save Cleaner and that didnt not help either.

 

As you indicated, If I load my save game twice in a row, the ctd when changing zones does not occur.

 

 

Anyone have any advice?

 

Please help!