Cleaning mods

[jamesspur]

Hi all , I only joined the nexus in July , and had a great time until my machine decided to malfunction . I then brought a new one with W7 , and all hell broke loose? Could'nt load SKSE , for 2 weeks lol..+other littlebits.

Anyhow on with the show .

I am now trying to do my mods right and put them in the right order and so on . I have had a look on a few topics and noticed that i aint the only one wanting help with cleaning mods.

 

• Update.esm Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 52 ITM, 1 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (Cleaning guide)

  [*]Dawnguard.esm Active

  • Contains dirty edits: 602 ITM, 82 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (Cleaning guide)
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  [*]HearthFires.esm Active

  • Contains dirty edits: 171 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning

 

 

These are just a few that popped up on the BOSS Log , and they are on the official updates ? So as i am a noobie (41 ;-]) I need all the help I can get . I have read the cleaning guide !several times! and still my old brain is not absorbing the full idea

 

of it . I have downloaded the BOSS Userlist Manager V6.4.7 , but not sure if i need another program to actually sort out the EDITS ?

 

ALSO should i even touch these edits from the updates ... sorry if this seems long winded ,but i want to be as clear as i can (also i dont know the txt words to make this shorter) if I think of anything else to add , ill come back to haunt you all lol

 

...thanks for reading James

 

P.S: I have just remembered , do we badger the modder to clean the mods? it does say this in the cleaning guide and on Gophers Vids on youtube if I remember rightly , if not i apologise now..its on one of them.

Edited November 6, 2012 by LadyMilla

[bben46]

As the 'modder' in question on the ones you listed is Bethesda Softworks, I doubt if badgering them will get you anywhere. :rolleyes: Some modders will release cleaned versions, some won't.

 

The program used for cleaning dirty edits has only been released in the last few weeks. Best bet - get Tes5edit and learn how to clean the mods yourself. :thumbsup:

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/25859

 

Dirty edits don't always cause problems. They are just bits of code that accidentally got included in a mod and most of the time really don't do anything bad. But - sometimes they do cause problems. :pinch:

[jamesspur]

As the 'modder' in question on the ones you listed is Bethesda Softworks, I doubt if badgering them will get you anywhere. :rolleyes: Some modders will release cleaned versions, some won't.

 

The program used for cleaning dirty edits has only been released in the last few weeks. Best bet - get Tes5edit and learn how to clean the mods yourself. :thumbsup:

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/25859

 

Dirty edits don't always cause problems. They are just bits of code that accidentally got included in a mod and most of the time really don't do anything bad. But - sometimes they do cause problems. :pinch:

 

hi bben46,

thanks for the reply( didnt actually think ill get one tobe honest http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/facepalm.gif) but thanks again for the direction togo to. I have been doing your little quote under , about spending more time with mods than playinghttp://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/wallbash.gif.

 

but i am learning at a steady pace . I was not sure about these edits thing , which is why i asked . And apologies as i didnt mean to offend .

 

I shall go off into the Bethesda Universe and study my way to Greatness lol, man i'm getting to old for this $"!£ . anyhow im waffling on when i should be getting on http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/sick.gif..

 

many thanks james

[steve40]

I've looked at some of these supposedly "dirty" edits in Hearthfire and Dawnguard using TES5EDIT and I think that most of them are not dirty edits. Some of the edits are, for example, the addition of a replacement script on a form that TES5EDIT marks as "duplicated" (Hearthfire and Dawnguard both replace some of the vanilla scripts). Other changes noted are minor flag changes to allow children to interact with some idle markers or crafting stations and such in Hearthfires, or some changes to animations to enable the adopted children to have more interaction within the game. Cleaning these MASTER FILES will break these subtle features and you probably won't even realize it, you just won't see these new features in the game after "cleaning".

 

On the other hand, TES5EDIT will not detect certain real dirty edits, such as when a modder accidentally nudges a cameraFX marker, or some of the other objects that often get in the way when you are trying to select the reference that you want to edit in the Render Window - how would TES5EDIT know what change was intentional or accidental? It doesn't.

 

IMO these last ^^ type of dirty edits are the ones that need cleaning, but paradoxically, they are the ones that TES5EDIT overlooks.

[David Brasher]

You tell 'em steve40!

 

This has been my position too. The TES4Edit fan boys in Oblivion drove me crazy. They thought that most modders were sinners, and they thought that they themselves were righteous and that their program would offer them salvation. But many of them were just mouthing words they did not understand. They had no comprehension that ITM records are mostly harmless, UDR records can cause CTDs, and the really bad mod dirt is stuff that their program can't see and can't automatically clean out.

 

Ideally modders would clean their mods and remove all the ITM records, but the attitudes and ignorance of these TES4Edit zealots really grated on me.

[AlphaWoIF]

good info.

the irony ofc is that i now learn this after iver already done the cleaning stuff to DG and my Mod.

Edited November 9, 2012 by AlphaWoIF

[jamesspur]

I've looked at some of these supposedly "dirty" edits in Hearthfire and Dawnguard using TES5EDIT and I think that most of them are not dirty edits. Some of the edits are, for example, the addition of a replacement script on a form that TES5EDIT marks as "duplicated" (Hearthfire and Dawnguard both replace some of the vanilla scripts). Other changes noted are minor flag changes to allow children to interact with some idle markers or crafting stations and such in Hearthfires, or some changes to animations to enable the adopted children to have more interaction within the game. Cleaning these MASTER FILES will break these subtle features and you probably won't even realize it, you just won't see these new features in the game after "cleaning".

 

On the other hand, TES5EDIT will not detect certain real dirty edits, such as when a modder accidentally nudges a cameraFX marker, or some of the other objects that often get in the way when you are trying to select the reference that you want to edit in the Render Window - how would TES5EDIT know what change was intentional or accidental? It doesn't.

 

IMO these last ^^ type of dirty edits are the ones that need cleaning, but paradoxically, they are the ones that TES5EDIT overlooks.

 

hi , sori steve40 , i have not been on for a while. thanks for pointing that out . thats probably a good job i didnt do anything with them ! , i am still reading and playing around with mods on the NMM , right order an all that .

anyhow , many thanks james

[BlackCompany]

You tell 'em steve40!

 

This has been my position too. The TES4Edit fan boys in Oblivion drove me crazy. They thought that most modders were sinners, and they thought that they themselves were righteous and that their program would offer them salvation. But many of them were just mouthing words they did not understand. They had no comprehension that ITM records are mostly harmless, UDR records can cause CTDs, and the really bad mod dirt is stuff that their program can't see and can't automatically clean out.

 

Ideally modders would clean their mods and remove all the ITM records, but the attitudes and ignorance of these TES4Edit zealots really grated on me.

 

This. Just...a thousand times...this.

 

Just today, I tried to google search on what a UDR records is. Not how to clean it. Not what to use to remove it. I wanted to know what it is, and why TES5Edit classifies it as needing removed.

 

Shockingly, I cannot find this information. Not anywhere.

 

Seems people are perfectly okay espousing the gospel of tool use to clean mods. But they're a little light on the ability to explain the hows and whys of the workings of their tool. And until someone can do this, I simply will not ever use it. Nor would I ever offer support for any mod I make, that was cleaned by another tool.

[zilav]

http://cs.elderscrolls.com/index.php/Crashes#Deleted_References

Applies to all Bethesda games since they use the same engine,