Running out of ideas for fixes. Infinite Loading Screens and CTDs

[maniacsamurai002]

Sorry for a please help post, but I'm at my wits end. So I recently got back into playing Skyrim SE and obviously I wanted to mod my game. Problem is I've spent two days now trying to figure out why i keep getting Infinite loading screens. This is all happening right at the beginning of my game. I've installed and uninstalled numerous mods to try and fix it, but nothing works. I've enabled memory management in enginefixes.ini, tried bethini and numerous other things. I'm using Vortex to install and I'm thinking it might be an issue with load order at this point, but I can't figure out where. Also i recently got this error in vortex:

 

Wed, 11 Mar 2020 15:07:19 GMT - error: unrecoverable error details=, message=Cannot read property 'Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul-173-0-4' of undefined, stack=TypeError: Cannot read property 'Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul-173-0-4' of undefined

 

Gonna reinstall that mod as it could be the issue, but still going to post my load order. Any help in this would be greatly appreciated.

 

edit 1 - Just tried to do a smash patch and it's still doing the same thing.

 

edit 2 - to clarify I've only been to Bruma so far, used LAL to start there as I hadn't really done much with the mod previously and wanted to see how it looked these days. The Infinite load screens seem to happen when going through any door/load screen.

 

edit 3 - Immersive Citizens reinstalled so the error went away. Infinite loading screen still happening both with and without the mod installed still.

 

Load order(Sorry for it being a long mess):

 

 

# Automatically generated by Vortex
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
BSAssets.esm
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim II.esm
BSHeartland.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
Ecotone Dual Sheath.esl
arnima.esm
BS_DLC_patch.esp
Campfire.esm
FlowerGirls SE.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
LvxMagicks-CampfireUnleashed.esm
Vigilant.esm
SkyUI_SE.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
Fertility Mode.esp
Fertility Mode - Flower Girls.esp
12FemaleBrows.esp
UnreadBooksGlow.esp
DBM_UnreadBooksGlow_Patch.esp
DBM_SMIM_Patch.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
FNIS.esp
CBBE.esp
LoS II - Tamriel Master Lights.esp
TouringCarriages.esp
Undeath.esp
Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
Blues Skyrim.esp
Civil War Aftermath.esp
BlackthornManor.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
LC_BuildYourNobleHouse.esp
OpulentThievesGuild.esp
Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp
MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp
Race Compatibility Dialogue SSE.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
moonpath.esp
JRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.esp
OwnCivilWar.esp
Holidays.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
DragonsKeep.esp
Immersive Encounters.esp
0Kaidan.esp
Dwarfsphere.esp
Cloaks.esp
OBIS SE.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
OpulentThievesGuildPatch.esp
TKAA.esp
Inigo.esp
VioLens SE.esp
Qw_BeyondSkyrimBruma_USSEP Hotfix Patch.esp
DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
DragonsKeep TKAA Patch Modified.esp
DBM_Vigilant_Patch.esp
SofiaFollower.esp
LoS II - BlackthornManor patch.esp
DBM_AHO_Patch.esp
DBM_BeyondReach_Patch.esp
DBM_ELFX_Patch.esp (disabled - no longer have ELFX)
Immersive Weapons.esp
DBM_IW_Patch.esp
3BBB.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
Qw_BeyondReach_USSEP Patch.esp
Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
DBM_OBIS_Patch.esp
Race Compatibility - Kaidan.esp
Qw_WACCF_CRF Patch.esp
Qw_WACCF_arnima Patch.esp
Qw_SofiaFollower_GDO Patch.esp
Qw_WACCF_BSHeartland Patch.esp
Qw_WACCF_CloaksOfSkyrim Patch.esp
Qw_WACCF_LSCrossbows Patch.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp (disabled loot recommended)
XPMSE.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
Billyro Swords.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
Billyro's Weapons.esp
Lupinus.esp
DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
DBM_WACCF_Patch.esp
Plocktons Culling Glitch Fix.esp
TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp
ForgottenCity.esp
LADX_SSE.esp
DBM_Undeath_Patch.esp
DBM_ForgottenCity_Patch.esp
DBM_IA_Patch.esp
DBM_DawnofSkyrimDC_Patch.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
Smelters_Riften & Solitude.esp
Lucien.esp
Haem Projects Goblands.esp
Ravengate.esp
LoS II - SMIM patch.esp
DBM_Moonpath_Patch.esp
Qw_SofiaFollower_USSEP Patch.esp
LunarLattice.esp
Celes Rogue Armor UNP.esp
50 More Perk Points.esp
Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp
Celes Rogue Armor CBBE.esp
Ecotone Dual Sheath Patch.esp
LoS II - Bruma patch.esp
JRMoonpathBrumaPatch.esp
Cathedral Weathers.esp
Cathedral Landscapes.esp
QuickLight.esp
ENB Light.esp
BSHeartland TKAA Patch.esp
DX Druid Armor.esp
ForgottenCityBruma.esp
Race Compatibility Dialogue SSE - Beyond Reach.esp
Race Compatibility Dialogue SSE - Bruma.esp
Race Compatibility Dialogue SSE - Forgotten City.esp
Race Compatibility Dialogue SSE - Helgen Reborn.esp
MoonlightTalesMCM.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
HearthfireMultiKid TKAA Patch.esp
Helgen Reborn TKAA Patch.esp
ForgottenCity TKAA Patch.esp
LegacyoftheDragonborn TKAA Patch.esp
Cathedral Water Overhaul.esp
Bijin AIO.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp (disabled for AIO patch)
Qw_BijinAIO_CRF Patch.esp
Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
LaFemmeLycana.esp (disabled for compatibility patch with MLT)
Moonlight Tales - Ancient Ring Fix.esp
Bijin Wives.esp (disabled AIO)
Bijin NPCs.esp (disabled AIO)
Cutting Room Floor TKAA Patch.esp
SINful CBP.esp
UIExtensions.esp
WetandCold.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
Qw_BarenziahQuestMarkers_USSEP Patch.esp
Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp
TimingIsEverything.esp
Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
FNISSexyMove.esp
OBIS SE - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
PAN_NPCs.esp
Qw_PANNPCs_CRF Patch.esp
Female Mannequins SSE.esp
Beards.esp
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
Lucien-Moonpath-Patch.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
LoS II - LotD patch.esp
3PCO.esp
RaceMenuHH.esp
Race Compatibility Dialogue SSE - Ravengate.esp
PAN_NPCs_DB.esp
PAN_NPCs_DG.esp
MannequinStayPut.esp
Tiwa44_SGMD_CBBE_1_4.esp (disabled for AIO patch)
Tiwa44_Minidresses_CBBE.esp (disabled for AIO patch)
Tiwa44_Minidresses_Dragonborn_CBBE.esp (disabled for AIO patch)
Wooden Frame Packs.esp
Elemental Eyes.esp
_00LoversEmbrace.esp
PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp
PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp
AK- Namira for Good Guys.esp
DBM_Namira_Patch.esp
AK- Boethiah Alternate.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Waterstride Spell Addon.esp
Elemental_Staffs.esp
Ish's Souls to Perks.esp
ModestElderly.esp
Modest Elderly-WACCF Patch.esp
icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remastered.esp
DBM_CCOR_Patch.esp
Cloaks_CCOR_Patch.esp
DBM_CloaksofSkyrim_Patch.esp
1nivWICCloaks_COS_CCOR_Patch.esp
Immersive Weapons_CCOR_Patch.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation_CCOR_Patch.esp
CCOR_Campfire_Patch.esp
Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
DBM_CACO_Patch.esp
Inigo_CACO_Patch.esp
CACO_USSEP_Patch.esp
CACO_Undeath_Patch.esp
CACO_Beyond Skyrim Bruma_Patch.esp
CACO_Moonpath_Patch.esp
Predator Vision.esp
Predator Vision_CACO_Patch.esp
Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul_CCOR_Patch.esp
WEHealingPotions Patch - CACO.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
CACO_Ordinator_Patch.esp
CCOR_Ordinator.esp
Better Wild Companion.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
Better Vampires.esp
Add Sacrosanct Spells to BV.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Alternate Start - Bruma.esp
Alternate Start LAL TKAA Patch.esp
Race Compatibility Dialogue SSE - ASLAL.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Qw_BeyondReach_RDO Patch.esp
Qw_CACO_RDO Patch.esp
Qw_SofiaFollower_RDO Patch.esp
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
Race Compatibility Dialogue SSE - RDO.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
The Brotherhood of Old.esp
Immersive Horses.esp
DBM_ImmersiveHorses_Patch.esp
Qw_BijinAIO_ICoWinterhold Patch.esp
Qw_PANNPCs_ICoWinterhold Patch.esp
Immersive Horses - BS Bruma Patch.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul - Immersive Horses Patch.esp
CWIMTOTPatchSE.esp
Immersive Citizens - TC patch.esp
DBM_ImmersiveCollegeofWinterhold_Patch.esp
CWICRFSEPatch.esp
CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp
nwsFollowerFramework.esp
nwsFF_NTMD_Apocalypse.esp
nwsFF_NoTeamMagicDamage.esp
WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp (disabled at loot's suggestion of it being optional)
Sum_WACCF_Patch.esp

 

[anjenthedog]

Have you tried disabling immersive citizens and any associated patches? (presumably Immersive citizens AI Overhaul is just that)

[maniacsamurai002]

Have you tried disabling immersive citizens and any associated patches? (presumably Immersive citizens AI Overhaul is just that)

It doesn't appear to be Immersive Citizens. I reinstalled that mod and the error I was getting went away, but the constant infinite loading screen still seems to be an issue. Tried it on a fresh saved game without IC.

[anjenthedog]

Again, have you tried loading the game with the immersive citizens mod disabled (and any associated mods)?

 

You said "I reinstalled it". that isn't "I tried opening the game with the Immersive Citizens mod disabled"

[Anselmp]

Beyond Reach claims to be the equivalent of 3 provinces. Bruma is also big. To this you add Vigilant, Forgotten City and Moonpath. Then you add Sofia, Inigo and Lucien, alll proudly proclaimiing how much dialogue they include.

I had a sufficiently advanced character with a stable save before adding Forgotten City and trying it out. I then went back to the original save and removed it. Although worth playing there was nothing there worth returning to. I have tried Beyond Reach in the same way. As recommended for some other mods (such as Rigmor) I would keep that for a separate playthrough without much else.

Sofia and Inigo are entertaining for a time, but if you want to use a lot of scripts you are better off without them.

Does Hearthfire Extended work with other additions to Lakeview?

[maniacsamurai002]

Again, have you tried loading the game with the immersive citizens mod disabled (and any associated mods)?

 

You said "I reinstalled it". that isn't "I tried opening the game with the Immersive Citizens mod disabled"

 

Sorry I wrote my last reply while half asleep. I meant I reinstalled it to get rid of the error message, but then also completely removed it.

 

Beyond Reach claims to be the equivalent of 3 provinces. Bruma is also big. To this you add Vigilant, Forgotten City and Moonpath. Then you add Sofia, Inigo and Lucien, alll proudly proclaimiing how much dialogue they include.

I had a sufficiently advanced character with a stable save before adding Forgotten City and trying it out. I then went back to the original save and removed it. Although worth playing there was nothing there worth returning to. I have tried Beyond Reach in the same way. As recommended for some other mods (such as Rigmor) I would keep that for a separate playthrough without much else.

Sofia and Inigo are entertaining for a time, but if you want to use a lot of scripts you are better off without them.

Does Hearthfire Extended work with other additions to Lakeview?

You have a fair point on that one. Might have went overboard with the additional content stuff. (Had a rough couple of months, got depressed and decided to return to Skyrim without much actual thought to what I was adding.) I removed Forgotten City, but I'll also take out a few of the followers too and see how it loads. Also I'm not sure about your last question, I don't actually have that.

 

Thanks both of you for replies. It gives me a place to continue troubleshooting, I'll update how it runs after removing more of the DLC like content.

[maniacsamurai002]

Beyond Reach claims to be the equivalent of 3 provinces. Bruma is also big. To this you add Vigilant, Forgotten City and Moonpath. Then you add Sofia, Inigo and Lucien, alll proudly proclaimiing how much dialogue they include.

I had a sufficiently advanced character with a stable save before adding Forgotten City and trying it out. I then went back to the original save and removed it. Although worth playing there was nothing there worth returning to. I have tried Beyond Reach in the same way. As recommended for some other mods (such as Rigmor) I would keep that for a separate playthrough without much else.

Sofia and Inigo are entertaining for a time, but if you want to use a lot of scripts you are better off without them.

Does Hearthfire Extended work with other additions to Lakeview?

So I actually removed everything you listed, including a few others and holy crap it's still doing it. Looks like it's going to be a lengthy process. I'm currently just doing the old fashioned uninstall everything one by one until It stops doing it. The Infinite loading screens are so bad I get them either right after character creation or within 5 minutes of starting, usually the second door I pass through.

[anjenthedog]

Meanwhile, I hope you're trying to use older saves for your checks. Your most recent save may be irretrievably compromised and won't' open no matter how many mods you remove. I've had to pitch many saves along the way while debugging, due to the problems they have included in their contents.

[maniacsamurai002]

I've actually been starting an entirely new fresh game with each test. It's crazy, had to take a bit of a break from it for the night or else I was going to sit here all day working on it.

[Anselmp]

OK, back to the beginning. Do you have the latest updates for all your equipment, especially the graphics card?

I'll assume you have sufficient CPU, RAM etc. Do you have any background programs running? Vortex often leaves one hanging that does not show up on Task Manager. Make sure you are logged out if you are using that. Check your antivirus settings and any other updaters. Norton has thrown me out of Skyrim in the past. Go through your start-up programs. Do you really need them?