rasonage Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Ok so I had to reinstall the game and mods recently, and for a bit I was able to get an old save game working-ish... with frequent crashes but, that's bethesda life. However, during a profile switch on the new Nexus Mod Manager community edition, I had to reinstall all my mods, again... and now stuff just won't load.. I get a CTD for every game I try to load, even tried starting over and it was working.... not so well; animaitons were broken for a gun replacer, hud framework kept spamming weird messages at me, survival widgets weren't being displayed, and the baton attack animation looked like knife animations like I was trying to stab with a police baton. And when I save, quit and try to reload, I get a CTD when the game finally tries to load. I have the latest build of most everything, I might be a version behind F4SE but so are most mods, I tried to use BiRaitBec's tutorial for mod install order (located here: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/23556 ) since anytime I just install willy-nilly I get a ton of those "blah blah file in such n such folder was created by yadda yadda mod, would you like to overwrite?" messages, and clicking either Yes to all or No to all and then using LOOT causes problems or conflicts (or the mods themselves do that...). However my mod list is vastly different than his so I'm sure there are some conflicts. Anyway here is my plugin list/order, if anyone can help out I'd really appreciate it, my gf is getting annoyed at not being able to play (almost as much as I am for not being able to fix this). GameMode=Fallout4Fallout4.esm=1DLCRobot.esm=1DLCworkshop01.esm=1DLCCoast.esm=1DLCworkshop02.esm=1DLCworkshop03.esm=1DLCNukaWorld.esm=1Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp=1WorkshopFramework.esm=1ArmorKeywords.esm=1XDI.esm=1HUDFramework.esm=1DEF_WIDGETS_CORE.esm=1GCM_DLC_Automatron.esl=1GCM_DLC_Far_Harbor.esl=1NPCScaling.esm=1PANPC.esm=1SimSettlements.esm=1SimSettlements_Patch_Nukaworld.esl=1TrueStormsFO4.esm=1FAR.esl=1Flicker Fixer.esp=1LooksMenu.esp=1LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp=1CBBE.esp=1dD-Action Ragdoll Force.esp=1PAMAP.esp=1AWKCR - Color Swap Mod Slot Hider.esp=1Armorsmith Extended.esp=1VIS-G Item Sorting.esp=1CraftingFramework.esp=1Be Exceptional - Uninstall.esp=1Be Exceptional.esp=1Be Exceptional Rebalanced (LVL 156).esp=1DEF_WIDGETS_SURVIVAL1.esp=1WmkActiveEffects.esp=1AlienAssaultRifle.esp=1ImpactBaseballGrenades.esp=1AssaultRifleOverhaul.esp=1AROAWKCR.esp=1ARONukaWorld.esp=1CROSS_BreakActionLaser.esp=1Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp=1Eli Armor Compendium AE VIS Patch.esp=1Quantum.esp=1HN66-SiriusArmor.esp=1MG42.esp=1SawLauncher.esp=1NukaColaMachete.esp=1powerarmort49.esp=1UnionBlaster.esp=1UniqueUniques.esp=1WarMachine.esp=11_FuturePoliceWeapons.esp=1WestTekTacticalOptics.esp=1WTTO - Colour Targeting HUD.esp=1WTTO - Colour Targeting HUD Yellow Corpses.esp=1Fusion Gun.esp=1spacefiddle_FusionGun-VIS-Tags_ModBuild.esp=1Weapons Re-Weighted V1.1.esp=1Weapons Re-Weighted DLC Far Harbour.esp=1K9TacticalHarness.esp=1Stronger Brotherhood PowerArmor ONLY.esp=1Killable Children.esp=1Killable Children - Far Harbor.esp=1Killable Children - Nuka World.esp=1Deathwings.esp=1ModdableGreygarden.esp=1DV-Armored Pilots.esp=1DV-Deadly Vertibirds.esp=1DV-Vertibird Explosive Minigun.esp=1SKKFastBOS.esp=1Better Locational Damage.esp=1Better Locational Damage - DLC_Automatron.esp=1Better Locational Damage - DLC_WWorkshop.esp=1Better Locational Damage - DLC_Far_Harbor.esp=1Better Locational Damage - DLC_Nuka_World.esp=1BLD - Leveled Lists - DLC.esp=1SuperMutantRedux.esp=1SuperMutantRedux_ArmorSmithExtended.esp=1SuperMutantRedux_Insanity.esp=1SuperMutantRedux_VIS-G_Patch.esp=1Better Locational Damage - Ghoul Edition.esp=1Better Perks.esp=1Better VATS - No Reduction.esp=1Better Cooking.esp=1Better Chems.esp=1Hard Legendary Giant Creatures.esp=1Respawnable Legendary Bosses.esp=1CourserCrusher.esp=1Synth Overhaul.esp=1Synth Overhaul - No level requirements Patch.esp=1GCM.esp=1SCM.esp=1LootableCars.esp=1Locksmith.esp=1GW71_DeadlyTurrets.esp=1AdrenalineRush.esp=1Adrenaline Rush - VIS Patch.esp=150 cal Lovin.esp=1Consistent Power Armor Overhaul.esp=1Brotherhood Power Armor Overhaul.esp=1NPCScaling_BB.esp=1Realistic EMP.esp=1Some Assembly Required.esp=1Some Assembly Required (Legendary Patch).esp=1Search and Destroy.esp=1FO4 NPCs Travel.esp=1NIS - Hunted.esp=1Dogs can grab player.esp=1MK_Agony.esp=1jags78_ExtendedAgony.esp=1BLD_Agony_Patch.esp=1Better Locational Damage - VIS-G Patch.esp=1Follower Revive System.esp=1Captainoob's Legendary Effects Mk2.esp=1Captainoob's Legendary Effects Mod Compatible.esp=1BetterAutomatronWeapons.esp=1MoreEnemies.esp=1GhoulBlood.esp=1EFF.esp=1UnbogusFallout.esp=1UnbogusFalloutVIS.esp=1Better Power Armor - Extended.esp=1Better Power Armor - BLD - Patch.esp=1AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp=1DeadlierDeathclaws.esp=1Sun'sHepsyHair.esp=1xce.esp=1512StandaloneHairColors.esp=1AnimChemRedux.esp=1UnbogusPatch_AnimChemRedux.esp=1PA-Quick Animations.esp=1D.E.C.A.Y.esp=1BetterSettlers.esp=1BetterSettlersCCAPack2.0.esp=1BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp=1BetterSettlersMortalSoldiersPack.esp=1BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp=1WorkshopPlus.esp=1LagStealthModul.esp=1AutomatronWheelLegs.esp=1AutomatronSecuritron.esp=1AlootHomePlate.esp=1AdvBubbleTurretSet-Real.esp=1A Variety of Containers.esp=1AVOC DLC Patch.esp=1FusionCoreRefueler.esp=1Insignificant Object Remover.esp=1SalvageBeacons.esp=1PortableRecycler.esp=1MAID_by_Justice.esp=1moreXplore.esp=1SOTS.esp=1SOTS_AWKCR_AS_Patch.esp=1SettlementMenuManager.esp=1SimSettlements_XPAC_Conqueror.esp=1SK_Leaders1.esp=1MJC_Zetan_Faction.esp=1MJC_Zetan_Weapons_Patch.esp=1ruined_simsettlement_faction_wastelanders.esp=1AtomsConqueror.esp=1VFX SuperMutant Conqueror Faction.esp=1VFX SuperMutant Conqueror Faction SMR Nightkin Addon.esp=1GunnerConq.esp=1tkzBOS_FactionPack.esp=1nuka_world_settlements.esp=1SKKSettlementAttackSystem.esp=1SKKCombatSettlers.esp=1Settler Sandbox Overhaul.esp=1Better Settlement Defence.esp=1Crafting Mastery.esp=1Crafting Mastery - Patch Sim Settlements.esp=1Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp=1LimaOutpost.esp=1The Collector's Guides AIO.esp=1CombatZoneRestored.esp=1OutcastsAndRemnants.esp=1ProjectValkyrie.esp=1Depravity.esp=1CL Patch - Depravity VIS-G.esp=1AA 50 Ways To Die.esp=1CHAOTIC SUN.esp=1AA FusionCityRising.esp=1CompanionTracker.esp=1instantinstituteaccess.esp=1MoreBobbleheads.esp=1Nuka-World Collectable Markers.esp=1Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp=1Idiot s!@£.esp=1DN Music.esp=1DNMega.esp=1Dynamic Music Overhaul.esp=1TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp=1TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp=1TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp=1TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp=1TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp=1TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp=1DarkerNights.esp=1DarkerNightsDetection.esp=1BetterNightVision.esp=1EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1TurretSpotLight-mod-v01.esp=1SpotlightShadows.esp=1Pip-Boy Flashlight.esp=1Glowing Animals Emit Light.esp=1CROSS_GoreCrits.esp=1CROSS_GoreCrits_FarHarborPatch.esp=1dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp=1dD - Limited Blood Decals.esp=1dD - Screen Blood Duration Medium.esp=1ImmersiveSurvivalMessages.esp=1LOST Settlement Menu Manager Patch.esp=1LOST Agony Patch.esp=1LOST Anim Chems Patch.esp=1LOST Alien Assault Patch.esp=1LOST Break Action Laser Patch.esp=1LOST Eli Compendium Patch.esp=1LOST K9 Harness Patch.esp=1LOST WestTek Optics Patch.esp=1LOST Deadlier Deathclaws Patch.esp=1LOST DECAY Patch.esp=1LOST More Ghouls Patch.esp=1LOST NPC Travel Patch.esp=1LOST Super Mutant Redux Patch.esp=1LOST 50 Ways to Die Patch.esp=1LOST Depravity Patch.esp=1LOST Fusion City Rising Patch.esp=1LOST Lima Detachment Patch.esp=1LOST Outcasts and Remnants Patch.esp=1LOST Project Valkyrie Patch.esp=1LOST South of the Sea Patch.esp=1LOST Adrenaline Rush Patch.esp=1LOST Combat Settlers Patch.esp=1LOST PANPC Patch.esp=1LOST Salvage Becons Patch.esp=1LOST Settlement Attack System Patch.esp=1LOST Sim Settlements Patch.esp=1LOST SS Conqueror Patch.esp=1LOST Workshop Framework + Plus Patch.esp=1LOST Crit Gore-verhaul Patch.esp=1LOST True Storms Patch.esp=1LOST AWKCR VIS-G Tweaks.esp=1ColtDeltaElite_10mmReplacer v1_1.esp=1FrisbeeMineR.esp=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasonage Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 If it's easier, here is my mod list (slightly shorter than the plugin's list ... lol) BodySlide and Outfit StudioCrafting Highlight Fix - Crafting Highlight Fix 1.8.8FallrimTools -- Script cleaning and more - FallrimTools 2.9.4 (beta)Flicker FixerMod Configuration Menu - Mod Configuration Menu 1.39Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch - Unofficial Fallout 4 PatchWorkshop FrameworkArmor and Weapon Keywords Community Resource (AWKCR)Armor and Weapon Keywords Community Resource (AWKCR) - AWKCR - Color Swap Mod Slot HiderArmorsmith Extended - Armorsmith Extended v4.6Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer -CBBE-Looks Menu Customization Compendium - Looks Menu Customization CompendiumLooksMenu - LooksMenu v1-6-18Realistic Ragdoll Force - ActionDEF_UIDEF_UI - def_ui_translations 1.10.163.0DEF_WIDGETS_CORE - DEF_WIDGETS_COREExtended Dialogue Interface - Extended Dialogue Interface 1.3.6HUDFramework - 01. DEF_UI Compatibility PatchHUDFramework - HUDFramework 1.0fLevelUpMenuEx - prkf 1.10.163.0Be Exceptional - Skills and Perk Overhaul - Be Exceptional - Skills and PerksBe Exceptional RebalancedCrafting FrameworkVIS-G Item SortingActive Effects on HUD - ActiveEffects.zipNameplates - Floating Healthbars - Nameplates v1-1-13Pib-Boy dual colorsPower Armor HUD - 1st person retexture - PA HUD 2ReColor My Hud - RecolorMyHud v4.0Satellite Color World Map ComboSurvival stats widget - DEF_WIDGETS_SURVIVAL1Zoom-out Extended Unoficial 1.7.9 Halfsize Icons-InstallerAlien Assault RifleAtom Bomb Baby - main FileBaseball Grenades Explode On Impact - ImpactExplodeBaseballGrenadesBattle Rifle (Assault Rifle Overhaul)Colt Delta Elite Reanimated (Revival) - Colt Delta Elite Reanimated 10MM Replacer v1.1CROSS_BreakActionLaser - CROSS_BreakActionLaser_v091b3Eli's Armour Compendium - AE and VIS patchEli's Armour Compendium - Eli's Armour Compendium - CBBE and BodySlide 1.5Frisbee Mine - FrisbeeMine ReplacerFusion Gun - Fusion GunFusion Gun - Valdacil's Item Sorting Compatability PatchGlowing Children of Atom Armor (Marine Armor) - Glowing Children of Atom ArmorGlowing Nuka Cola Quantum Machete - Glowing Nuka Cola Quantum MacheteHN66s SIRIUS.12 Assault Suit -CBBE- and -SHB- - File A - HN66_SiriusArmor_2.30_Main mod filesHN66s SIRIUS.16 Assault Armor -CBBE- and -SHB- - File C - HN66_SiriusArmor_3.20_Main mod filesK-9 Harness -- Tactical Body Armor and Backpack for Dogmeat - K-9 Harness - Tactical Body Armor for DogmeatMG42 and MG34 - MG42_V1.4Nina's Proper Pipe Guns Replacer - Nina's Proper Pipe GunsPink Hello Kitty Power Armor T45 T51 T60 - Hello Kitty Power Armor pink VersionSaw Blade Launcher - Saw Blade LauncherStandalone - Super Duper Nuka Cola Machete - STANDALONE Super Duper Nuka Cola MacheteT-49 - Armor of the Storyteller - T-49 - Armor of the Storyteller 1.1The Police 2051- Robocop and Judge Dredd - Police 2051Union Blaster - A Reverse-Engineered Zetan Weapon - Union Blaster StandaloneUnique Uniques - Unique Weapons Redone - Version 1.01War Machine - War MachineWeapons Re-Weighted - Fallout 4 Weapons Re-Weighted V1.1Weapons Re-Weighted - WRW Far HarbourWest Tek Tactical Optics - Enhanced Targeting HUD - WTTO - Enhanced Tactical HUDWest Tek Tactical Optics - Enhanced Targeting HUD - WTTO - Enhanced Tactical HUD (Yellow Corpse)West Tek Tactical Optics - Night Vision Thermal Vision Goggles and More - West Tek Tactical Optics v2.0.1 (minor update)Courser Crusher - Courser Crusher 1.1Deathwings - Deathwings V 1.00Durable VertibirdsKillable Children - Killable Children 1.2.7.1Moddable Graygarden (Automatron) - Moddable Graygarden v1.0Respawnable Legendary Bosses and Hard Legendary Giant CreaturesSKK Fast BOS (ArcJet triggers Prydwen) - SKKFastBOS_001Stronger Brotherhood of STEEL - Stronger Brotherhood Power Armor ONLYSuper Mutant Redux 2.0Synth Overhaul - By Maaro and EchoesSynth Overhaul - By Maaro and EchoesVIS-G Item Sorting - AE VIS-G Replacer Synth Overhaul v3.0.4.50 cal Lovin - 50 cal LovinAdrenaline Rush - AR - Main FilesAdrenaline Rush - AR - VIS PatchAgonyAgony VIS-G Item Sorting Patch - Agony VIS-G Item Sorting PatchBetter Automatron Weapons - Better Automatron Weapons - Update 1.3Better Locational DamageBetter Locational Damage - VIS-G Patch - Better Locational Damage - VIS-G PatchBetter Power Armor - A Power Armor OverhaulBrotherhood Power Armor Overhaul - BPAO v1.0Captainoob's Legendary Effects - Captainoob's Legendary EffectsCaptainoob's Legendary Effects - Captainoob's Legendary Effects Mod weapon compatibleConsistent Power Armor Overhaul - CPAO v1.1Dogs can grab player - Dogs can grab playerExtended Agony - Extended AgonyFollower Revive System - Follower Revive System 2.13Game Configuration Menu - Game Configuration MenuGame Configuration Menu - GCM DLC Automatron ( ESL File )Game Configuration Menu - GCM DLC Far HarborGW71_DeadlyTurrets - GW71_DeadlyTurretsLocksmith - Lock Your Doors 'n' Containers - Locksmith v1.02Lootable Cars - Lootable Cars And TrucksMore Enemies - MoreEnemies083More Feral Ghouls. A Zombie Mod - More Feral Ghouls. A Zombie ModNo Place is Safe - Hunted Encounters - Lower Spawns versionNPC Level ScalingNPCs Travel - FO4 NPCs TravelPack Attack NPC Edition - Gangs With Group Combat Tactics - Pack Attack NPC EditionRealistic EMP - Realistic EMPSearch and Destroy - Extended Combat Range and Stealth Searches - Search and DestroySome Assembly Required (Legendary Patch) - Legendary PatchSome Assembly Required (Power Armor Overhaul) - Some Assembly RequiredSurvival Configuration MenuUnbogus Fallout Overhaul - Unbogus Fallout 2.FinalUnbogus Fallout Overhaul - Unbogus Fallout 2.Final VIS PatchUnlimited Companion Framework - Unlimited Companion Framework v1-1-0Unlimited Survival Mode - F4SE - Unlimited Survival Mode - F4SE512 Standalone Hair Colors (1 ESP) - 512 Standalone Hair Colors (1 ESP)Animated Chems Redone - Animated Chems RedoneBetter SettlersD.E.C.A.Y - Better Ghouls - D.E.C.A.Y 2.2Deadlier Deathclaws - Deadlier DeathclawsGhastly - Ghoul Eyes Texture - All-in-One PackGlowing eyes for Deathclaws - glowing deathclaw eyesGlowing Supermutant Eyes - Glowing Supermutant EyesPonytail Hairstyles by Azar v2.5a - Ponytail Hairstyles by Azar v2_5a - BA2 versionPower Armor Animation Changes - Power Armor Animation Changes-1.0Power Armor Materials AND Paints (PAMAP)Sun's Hepsy Hairs with Physics - Sun's Hepsy Hairs with PhysicsUnbogus Fallout Overhaul - Patch - Animated Chems RedoneVivid Eyes - X2c - Vivid EyesXenius Character Expansion - XCExXenius Character Expansion with Tint API - XCEx with LooksMenu Tint APIA Variety of Containers - A Variety of ContainersA Variety of Containers - AVOC DLC Patch (Update)Advanced Bubble Turret SetAloot's Home Plate - Aloot's Home Plate 2.2AutomatronSecuritron - AutomatronSecuritron20170701AutomatronWheelLegs - AutomatronWheelLegsFusion core refueler - CoreRefueler_SwapTestInsignificant Object RemoverMAID - Brand New Assaultron - MAIDMAID Assaultron Head Laser Ability - MAID Assaultron Head LaserPortable Junk Recycler - Portable Junk RecyclerRobot Stealth Module - LagStealthModuleSalvage BeaconsWorkshop PlusmoreXplore - moreXplore-12.1South of The Sea. (August 2019 Update) (Massive Glowing Sea and Swamps Expansion) - SOTS All Vers. AWKCR -AND- Armorsmith Extended PatchSouth of The Sea. (August 2019 Update) (Massive Glowing Sea and Swamps Expansion) - South of the Sea (1.00Beta)Brotherhood of Steel Faction Addon PackBS Defence - BS Defence - UFO4PCrafting MasteryMJC Conqueror Faction Pack - Zetan Invasion - MJC - Zetan Invasion Faction PackMJC Conqueror Faction Pack - Zetan Invasion - Zetan Weapons Patch for Union Blaster and Alien Assault Rifle ModsNUKA WORLD SETTLEMENTS - NUKA PARK SETTLEMENTS PLUS - NUKA WORLD SETTLEMENTS 2.5Scrap EverythingSettlement Menu Manager - Settlement Menu Manager - 0.1.4Settler Sandbox Overhaul-20442-2-0Sim Settlements - Faction Pack - WastelandersSim Settlements Conqueror Children of Atom Faction PackSim Settlements Conqueror Faction - Super MutantsSim Settlements Conqueror Faction Pack - Gunners - Sim Settlements Gunner Faction Pack (Not the General)Sim Settlements: 3-in-1Sim Settlements: ConquerorSim Settlements: Nukaworld PatchSimSettlements - Vanilla Leaders - Sk_Leaders.zipSKK Combat Settlers (health and power armor) - SKKCombatSettlers_021SKK Settlement Attack System - SKKSettlementAttackSystem_01150 Ways to Die at Dr. Nick's - Quest Mod - 50 Ways to Die at Dr. Nick's - v.0.99cCHAOTIC SUN - CHAOTIC SUNCHAOTIC SUN - CHAOTIC SUN Update Beta4-Hotfix2Combat Zone Restored - CombatZoneRestoredDepravity - A Harmless Bit of Fun - DepravityDepravity - VIS-G Patch - Depravity VIS-G Patch v2.1Fusion City Rising - Quest Mod Plus - Fusion City Rising v.1.0Lima Detachment - Lima DetachmentOutcasts and Remnants - Quest Mod Plus - Outcasts and RemnantsProject Valkyrie - Project ValkyrieThe Collector's Guides - The Collector's Guides AIOCompanion Tracker - Companion TrackerIIA - Instant Institute Access - Instant Institute Access V3.1More Bobbleheads - More BobbleheadsNuka-World Collectable Quest Markers - Nuka-World Collectable Quest MarkersCROSS Crit Gore-verhaul - CROSS_GoreCrits_91gDarker Nights 1.11p6Digital Nightmare - Dark Apocalyptic Soundtrack - Digital Nightmare Main v1.10Digital Nightmare - Dark Apocalyptic Soundtrack - Main Menu ThemeDigital Nightmare - Dark Apocalyptic Soundtrack - Mega Battle Pack FIX 2Dynamic Music OverhaulEnhanced Blood TexturesEnhanced Lights and FXETSGS - Easy To See Glowing StuffFAR - Faraway Area Reform - FAR - Default Resolution (ESL)Fartmeat - Dogmeat fart sound replacer - FartmeatGlowing Animals Emit Light - Glowing Animals Emit Light - ALL DLCHigh Resolution Texture Pack - Valius - 2k and 4k - Textures 2K VersionIdiot Savant to Idiot s!@£Optimized Vanilla Textures - Optimized Vanilla Textures 1-10 UpdateP.A.M.S - Power Armor Movement Sounds - PAMS RoboticPip-Boy FlashlightRadioactive Signs - Lighting - All In OneReverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - ALL DLCShadows for hostile spotlights - Spotlight Searchlight shadowsTerrifyer - Ghouls - Terrifyer - GhoulsTrue Storms - Wasteland Edition (Thunder-Rain-Weather Redone) - Nuka World Add-On (with TS Far Harbor Compatibility)True Storms: Wasteland Edition v1.4Turret SpotLight with shadows - Turret SpotLight with shadowsVATS Redone - VATS RedoneVivid Fallout - LandscapesVivid Fallout - Landscapes - Textures in HD - ORIGINAL SIZE - LOWER RESOLUTION - Vivid Fallout - Landscapes - Best Performance UpdateVivid Fallout - Roads and Bridges - Vivid Fallout - Roads and Bridges - Best ChoiceImmersive Survival Messages - ImmersiveSurvivalMessagesLOST AWKCR VIS-G Patches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasonage Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) Nevermind... I got the solution from reading other posts here...it's so obvious, I feel stupid for not knowing this... I'm beside myself. Install mods (order doesn't matter yet). Run LOOT to organize load order, and keep a record of the load order. unintall mods reinstall mods in the same order that LOOT organized them (adjusting only for the mod's requirements found on the description page) Run LOOT again ... then run FO4edit for ITM records and whatnot... Edited March 15, 2020 by rasonage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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