Bandits sometimes spawning without weapons

[Khadafi87]

HI,

 

I´m having an issue with bandits sometimes spawning without any weapon in their inventory, just using their fists.

I went through all the corresponging leveled lists in SSEdit and I´m not finding any error, even with mod added weapons,

since I corrected bashed patch lists myself.

Weapon mods I have installed are Immersive Weapons, Expanded Skyrim Weaponry and Heavy Armory.

On top I´m running a few other NPC editing mods like Diversive Skyrim, Immersive Patrols and ASIS (which I´m somehow suspecting,

although I went through all leveled lists, and even fixed every single NPC).

Is there a maximum amount of items for one leveled list that the game can proesses, for example?

It´s really annoying, so any idea whould be appriciated!

 

My load order:

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim II.esm
Forgotten DungeonsSSE.esm
Dwarfsphere.esp
HammetDungeons.esm
Gray Fox Cowl.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
3DNPC.esp
Campfire.esm
JSwords.esm
TravellersOfSkyrim.esm
CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esl
Dungeon Respawn Modifier.esl
Backshields.esl
MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
Vigilant.esm
DynDOLOD.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
Cutting Room Floor.esp
DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
3DNPC - CRF Patch.esp
Gray Cowl of Nocturnal - Unofficial Patch.esp
DBM_AHO_Patch.esp
DBM_Vigilant_Patch.esp
DBM_JaysusSwords_Patch.esp
DBM_RuinsClutterImproved_Patch.esp
DBM_SMIM_Patch.esp
DBM_TheGrayCowlofNocturnal_Patch.esp
DBM_QuestTracker.esp
RackOMatic.esp
Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
Trade & Barter.esp
DBM_TradeBarter_Patch.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
LoS II - SMIM patch.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
AutoHideAmmo.esp
SkyUI_SE.esp
Rebalanced Leveled Lists.esp
Atlas Map Markers.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
Improved Adoptions MERGED.esp
Campfire IA patch.esp
Improved Adoptions USSEP fix.esp
IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
FastTravelSpeedMultiplier.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp
Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
DBM_WACCF_Patch.esp
Qw_WACCF_CRF Patch.esp
Gray Cowl - WACCF Patch.esp
beltfastenedquivers.esp
Dylbills Positioner.esp
Immersive Wenches.esp
Immersive Wenches -Apachii hairs- Patch.esp
LoS II - Tamriel Master Lights.esp
Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp
BlendedRoads.esp
SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp
DustEffectsSSE.esp
EmbersHD.esp
Vigilant Outfits.esp
JKs Skyrim.esp
JKs Skyrim_Cutting Room Floor_Patch.esp
DBM_JKSkyrim_Patch.esp
LoS II - JKs Skyrim patch.esp
Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp
Dawnguard - HoV Req.esp
SkyrimSewers.esp
DBM_SkyrimSewers_Patch.esp
Palaces Castles Enhanced.esp
PCE - Marked Droppable Barenziah Stones.esp
PCE - Skyrim Sewers Patch.esp
PCE - USSEP+CRF Patch.esp
DBM_PCE_Patch.esp
OCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.esp
OCW_MusicPatch_VanillaPlus.esp
OCW_AMM-SE_FEPatch.esp
OCW_LotD_FEPatch.esp
OCW_WACCF_FEPatch.esp
OCW_3DNPC_FEPatch.esp
OCW_CRF_FEPatch.esp
OCW_LoS2-TML_FEPatch.esp
OCW_CellSettings.esp
Winterhold Restored.esp
Winterhold Restored - JKs Skyrim Patch.esp
3DNPC - Winterhold Mods Patch.esp
OCW_WR2_JK_FEPatch.esp
Vominheim.esp
Rigmor.esp
OCW_RoB_FEPatch.esp
LC_BuildYourNobleHouse.esp
MannequinStayPut.esp
OpulentThievesGuild.esp
OpulentThievesGuildPatch.esp
Oakwood.esp
LoS II - Oakwood patch.esp
The Brotherhood of Old.esp
TBoO & SS Patch.esp
TSR_TeldrynSerious.esp
TSR_TeldrynSeriousPatch.esp
Darkwater Crossing.esp
LoS II - Darkwater Crossing patch.esp
konahrik_accoutrements.esp
DBM_KA_Patch.esp
WACCF_KonahriksAccoutrements.esp
OCW_KA_FEPatch.esp
Shor's Stone.esp
Kynesgrove.esp
LoS II - Kynesgrove patch.esp
Helarchen Creek.esp
LoS II - Helarchen Creek patch.esp
Telengard.esp
LoS II - Telengard patch.esp
Whistling Mine.esp
LoS II - Whistling Mine patch.esp
Soljund's Sinkhole.esp
LoS II - Soljund's Skinkhole patch.esp
Karthwasten.esp
LoS II - Karthwasten patch.esp
ForgottenCity.esp
DBM_ForgottenCity_Patch.esp
BeyondSkyrimMerchant.esp
JK's Skyrim + Beyond Skyrim Wares - Patch.esp
Point The Way.esp
Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
RealRabbitsHD.esp
DynamicAnimalVariants.esp
skyBirds_SSE.esp
DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
DeadlyDragons.esp
Deadly Dragons - Diverse Dragons Collection.esp
ORM-Arvak.esp
Arvak Reborn.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE USSEP.esp
Forge Water Fix - CRF Patch.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
PCE - RDO Patch.esp
OCW_BSFWF_FEPatch.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
20 More Perk Points.esp
Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp
Ordinator_WACCF_Patch.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Elemental_Staffs.esp
Elemental_Staffs_Patch_AMoS.esp
AI Overhaul.esp
JKs Skyrim - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
3DNPC - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
ICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.esp
ICNs_Lite.esp
OCW_ICNs_OE_FEPatch.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
nwsFollowerFramework.esp
Inigo.esp
JessicaAlbaDemonHunterSE.esp
HothFollower.esp
Immersive Followers.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remastered.esp
CCOR_Campfire_Patch.esp
CCOR_JSwords_Patch.esp
DBM_CCOR_Patch.esp
CCOR_Ordinator.esp
nwsFollowerFramework_CCOR.esp
Smithing Perks Overhaul SE.esp
SPO_Ordinator_Patch.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
CH GFC_VIG_HDU.esp
Vigor - Combat and Injuries (SE).esp
Vigor_Apocalypse_Longstride.esp
Mortal Enemies.esp
DAV patch for Mortal Enemies.esp
Smilodon - Combat of Skyrim.esp
Smilodon - Realistic Damage.esp
Enhanced Enemy AI.esp
iNeed.esp
iNeed - Extended.esp
DBM_iNeed_Patch.esp
OCW_iNE_FEPatch.esp
OCW_iN_FEPatch.esp
Gray Cowl of Nocturnal - iNeed Patch.esp
Hunterborn.esp
Hunterborn - Leather Tanning.esp
Hunterborn - Soups and Stews.esp
Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp
Hunterborn - iNeed Patch.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
DBM_ISC_Patch.esp
Qw_ISC_CRF Patch.esp
Qw_WACCF_ISC Patch.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
Sum_WACCF_Patch.esp
VisualAnimatedEnchants.esp
TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp
TravellersOfSkyrim - Dragonborn Addon.esp
3DNPC0.esp
Qw_3DNPC_USSEP Patch.esp
PCE - 3DNPC Patch.esp
Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul_CCOR_Patch.esp
CACO_True Fortify Effects for Magic Skills.esp
CACO_USSEP_Patch.esp
skyBirds Rebalance CACO.esp
Convenient Horses - Apocalypse+CACO+SIC+Summermyst.esp
Qw_CACO_3DNPC Patch.esp
Qw_CACO_RDO Patch.esp
CACO_BeyondSkyrimWoT_Patch.esp
CACO_GrayCowl_Patch.esp
DBM_CACO_Patch.esp
CACO_Ordinator_Patch.esp
CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreaturesSE_Patch.esp
CACO_Vigor_Campfire.esp
Inigo_CACO_Patch.esp
Hunterborn_CACO-SE_Patch.esp
OreIngotsFadingsignal.esp
ShieldsofSkyrimLists.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
DBM_IA_Patch.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation_CCOR_Patch.esp
WarmongerArmory_SSE.esp
WarmongerArmory_CCOR.esp
StendarrPaladinArmor.esp
StendarrPaladinArmor_CCOR.esp
SPOAsilverknight.esp
SPOA_shield.esp
SPOAsilverknight_CCOR.esp
1nivWICCloaks.esp
Cloaks.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
DBM_CloaksofSkyrim_Patch.esp
Qw_WACCF_CloaksOfSkyrim Patch.esp
Cloaks_CCOR_Patch.esp
1nivWICCloaks_COS_CCOR_Patch.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
TravellersOfSkyrim - Bags and Pouches Addon.esp
TravellersOfSkyrim - Dragonborn and Bags and Pouches Addon.esp
Dr_Bandolier_CCOR_Patch.esp
El_WayfarersCoatSSE.esp
El_WayfarersCoatSSE_CCOR_Patch.esp
DawnguardArsenal.esp
DBM_DGA_Patch.esp
DawnguardArsenal_WACCF_Patch.esp
DawnguardArsenal_CCOR_Patch.esp
FranklyHDImperialArmorsAndWeapons.esp
UUNP Vanilla Outfits.esp
Guards_Armor_Replacer.esp
LoS II TML - Guard Armor Replacer patch.esp
AI Overhaul - GAR.esp
Guards Armor Replacer Minimal - Cloaks of Skyrim Patch.esp
Guards Armor Replacer Minimal - WACCF Patch.esp
Guards Armor Replacer Minimal - WICO Patch.esp
Guards Armor Replacer Minimal - Winter is Coming Patch.esp
DBM_GuardsArmorReplacer_Patch.esp
CCOR_JS Circlet Replacer Patch.esp
Legendary Skyrim Crossbows.esp
LegendarySkyrimCrossbows_CCOR.esp
Qw_WACCF_LSCrossbows Patch.esp
Immersive Jewelry.esp
Immersive Jewelry_CCOR_Patch.esp
DBM_ImmersiveJewelry_Patch.esp
ImmersiveJewelryXSummermyst - Unrestricted.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
DBM_IW_Patch.esp
Immersive Weapons_WACCF_Patch.esp
Immersive Weapons_CCOR_Patch.esp
Gizmodian Silver Swords.esp
SilverSwords_CCOR.esp
KatanaCrafting.esp
KatanaCrafting_WACCF_Patch.esp
KatanaCrafting_CCOR_Patch.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory_WACCF_Patch.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory_CCOR_Patch.esp
DBM_HA_Patch.esp
CCOR_JSwords_PrvtI_HeavyArmory_Patch.esp
LrsamwaysExpandedSkyrimWeaponry.esp
ExpandedSkyrimWeaponry_CCOR.esp
PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp
ElementalArrows.esp
ElementalArrows_CCOR.esp
Runed_Nordic_Weapons.esp
Runed_Nordic_Weapons_CCOR.esp
Simple aMidianborn Skyforge.esp
SL01AmuletsSkyrim.esp
DBM_AmuletsOfSkyrim_Patch.esp
SL01AmuletsSkyrim_CCOR_Patch.esp
OpulentOutfits_2017-SSE AIO.esp
OpulentOutfits_2017-SSE AIO_CRF.esp
Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp
DBM_Apophysis_Patch.esp
Improved Fire Salts Frost Salts And Glow Dust.esp
CACO_Improved Fire Salts Frost Salts and Glow Dust Patch.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp
Qw_DeadlySpellImpacts_ISC Patch.esp
Potions.esp
AwesomePotions_CACO_Patch.esp
UndeadFX.esp
RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Unsorted.esp
Qw_RusticSoulgemsUnsorted_ISC Patch.esp
NAT.esp
TerrainLodRedone.esp
HD Lods SSE.esp
MajesticMountains.esp
MajesticMountains_Moss.esp
SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp
ELFX Fixes.esp
OCW_ELFX_FEPatch.esp
PCE - ELFX PATCH.esp
DBM_ELFX_Patch.esp
Remove Interior Fog.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Needs Mod Patch.esp
Beards.esp
WICO - Immersive People.esp
WICO - Immersive Character.esp
WICO - Immersive Dawnguard.esp
WICO - USSEP Compatible Patch.esp
WICO - USEEP - NO ESSENTIAL REQUIRED.esp
Qw_WICO_3DNPC Patch.esp
Qw_WICO_AIOverhaul_CRF Patch.esp
DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
Diversity - A Character Overhaul.esp
Diversity - CRF - AIO patch.esp
Aesthetic Elisif.esp
Hott Interesting NPCs.esp
3DNPC_FrogCustom_Zora.esp
3DNPC_FrogCustom_Amalee.esp
RSChildren.esp
RSC 3DNPC Patch.esp
RSC CRF Patch.esp
RSC Forgotten City Patch.esp
RSC HR Patch.esp
RSC Rigmor Patch.esp
DBM_RSChildren_Patch.esp
RSChildren + AI Overhaul Patch.esp
Qw_WACCF_RSChildren Patch.esp
ARTHOakwood_RSChildrenPatch.esp
Bijin_AIO-SV 2018.esp
SPTConsistentOlderPeopleSE.esp
Qw_ConsistentOlderPeople_AIOverhaul Patch.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp
PCE - Live Another Life Patch.esp
WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
SkyHUD.esp
EzEWorldMapSE.esp
MasterOfTime_Nih.esp
DynDOLOD.esp
FollowerPotions.esp
ASIS-Dependency.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
ASIS.esp
Fix.esp
Follower Potions Patcher.esp
NPC Fix.esp
FNIS.esp

 

[Khadafi87]

OK I gave it another try and went to embershard mine.
The first bandit standing outside only used his fists so I just left him standing there and went inside.

As soon as I came back out, he was suddenly using weapons... Could this be caused by too big leveled lists or scipts?

Maybe loading the lists is taking to long?

 

Edit: Well gave it try insdie, didnt work there...

[Khadafi87]

Anyone?

[Khadafi87]

I sorted my load order with loot...Same result.

Theres a mod seriously messing with leveled lists and templates.

[RMF197]

So this is effecting bandits only? No other npcs anywhere have spawned like that? I'm wondering if that particular npc tries to spawn WITH a certain weapon that is problematic, so the npc ends up not getting it. As far as I know nothing will intentionally cause them to be unarmed, and if it was something with your leveled lists I would think other types of npcs would be spawning like that too.

 

Also, the bandit that was unarmed at first could have picked up a weapon nearby?

Edited April 25, 2020 by RMF197

[Khadafi87]

So this is effecting bandits only? No other npcs anywhere have spawned like that? I'm wondering if that particular npc tries to spawn WITH a certain weapon that is problematic, so the npc ends up not getting it. As far as I know nothing will intentionally cause them to be unarmed, and if it was something with your leveled lists I would think other types of npcs would be spawning like that too.

 

Also, the bandit that was unarmed at first could have picked up a weapon nearby?

Thank your for your reply!

Well I didn+t come that far yet, but for now it was just bandits and yes, the unarmed ones (not just one in particular) picked up weapons nearby.

[RMF197]

So the bandit that spawns with no weapons, what kind are they? Are they archers, warriors, chiefs, etc.. if it were something like say bandit archers that have the problem, it could indicate a problem with a certain bow perhaps.

 

I went through your load order a few times and I didn't see OBIS.. do you have anything else installed that affects bandits?

[Khadafi87]

I don't think so. Mostly just leveled list changes. So far only melee bandits and bandit mages are infected, while I noticed this specific mage uses the same template and thereby the same leveled list. I made a fresh install and will see what happens soon.

 

Also thank you for taking your time to go through my load order.

[Wolfstorm]

Its happening with me as well.

Not only bandits, but some stormcloak soldiers are spawning without weapons and even without clothes, in civil war battles.

In my case, it started after I installed Tomebound and Loot and Degradation. I uninstalled Tomebound, but didnt played since then.

[RMF197]

I don't think so. Mostly just leveled list changes. So far only melee bandits and bandit mages are infected, while I noticed this specific mage uses the same template and thereby the same leveled list. I made a fresh install and will see what happens soon.

 

Also thank you for taking your time to go through my load order.

np! I like trying to understand this game as much as possible. I'll keep brainstorming this, let me know if the new install / playthrough changes anything Edited April 28, 2020 by RMF197