Lichdom

[sweetsnowboarding]

WHAT!!!!! NO! YOU CAN"T MAKE THE LICH WITH A HUMAN MODEL? Liches are ALWAYS looking like this>>>>>>>>

 

 

You can't make them look like a human when they are most powerful!!! no way! do what they were going to do in TRUE LICHDOM where you look like that^ all the time, but you have a spell that makes you have the illusion of looking like a human being! you can't seriously make the lich look like a human at any time at all, that would go against every single bit of lore attached to the liches ever! Liches are undead! the very skin is dripping from there bones or they don't have any skin at all! you cant do this!!!! PLZ don't do this, if you are going to make liches look like the human model, this would cause me to go to the point of not downloading this mod....... :( And this is my last hope!!! plz just let them have an ability or toggle or spell or something that gives them the "illusion" of looking human! this is much much better than making them look like the player model :( plz!!!! don't do this!!!!!

[kromey]

Then don't download my mod.

 

Look, I don't mean to be a jerk, but the simple fact is that what you're demanding is not merely a helluva lot of real hard work (which I have to squeeze out of a full work schedule and still maintain some semblance of a social life, not to mention preserving my marriage by spending time with my wife, and for which I don't get paid), but it's frankly beyond my abilities to create a custom lich model. Not to mention that I'd have to create a separate lich race to match each of the vanilla races (although many could share the same models, that's still at least 3-4 distinct models), which then makes the mod largely incompatible with custom race mods without considerable extra effort to patch in support for them.

 

There's also the game play aspects to consider: Sure, it may sound neat to sit here and talk about casting an Illusion spell so your lich can walk into town and sell all his lootz to Belethor, but in practice I'd expect it to get rather tedious to have to periodically re-cast the spell, or forget until a second too late and have the entire town suddenly descending upon you.

 

It's not inconceivable that your form's magic could be preserving your corpse, or simply maintaining a constant illusion so that you don't look any different. It's also consistent with lore -- take a look at what Mannimarco, the King of Worms, looked like at 1,130 years old in Oblivion, for example.

[sweetsnowboarding]

Then don't download my mod.

 

Look, I don't mean to be a jerk, but the simple fact is that what you're demanding is not merely a helluva lot of real hard work (which I have to squeeze out of a full work schedule and still maintain some semblance of a social life, not to mention preserving my marriage by spending time with my wife, and for which I don't get paid), but it's frankly beyond my abilities to create a custom lich model. Not to mention that I'd have to create a separate lich race to match each of the vanilla races (although many could share the same models, that's still at least 3-4 distinct models), which then makes the mod largely incompatible with custom race mods without considerable extra effort to patch in support for them.

 

There's also the game play aspects to consider: Sure, it may sound neat to sit here and talk about casting an Illusion spell so your lich can walk into town and sell all his lootz to Belethor, but in practice I'd expect it to get rather tedious to have to periodically re-cast the spell, or forget until a second too late and have the entire town suddenly descending upon you.

 

It's not inconceivable that your form's magic could be preserving your corpse, or simply maintaining a constant illusion so that you don't look any different. It's also consistent with lore -- take a look at what Mannimarco, the King of Worms, looked like at 1,130 years old in Oblivion, for example.

ahh sorry for the outbreak, but I just don't understand how you can be a "lich" without looking like a "lich". You wouldn't have to make any more than 1, I mean I doubt anyone would care if their argonian lich had the skeleton of a human.....Oh and about the Mannimarco bit, the only reason they did that is they were lazy, UESP considers it a bug. You every played Daggerfall? look at him in there :) I'm not trying to be a retard but I just don't understand the point of becoming a lich for just a bunch of abilities and buffs, I mean the look of being a lich is what got me searching for these types of mod in the first place. Removing that completely would be.....kind of, I don't know...removing the point? Could you maybe do an optional file that includes this? I see Skullerris is sharing the same viewpoint here to, also, your point about about it being tedious to recast is relevant I think a better idea would be make it a toggle. I'm not hating, but could you atleast consider making an optional file? I mean looking like a lich is really kinda the whole point.....thats like removing beast forms look and just giving humans a speed and attack increase....... otherwise I think this mod is near-perfect, your doing a great job. :thumbsup:

Edited January 21, 2013 by sweetsnowboarding

[KILLERZombie135]

sweetsnowboarding might be on to something I get that making a lich texture isn't in within your fortay but if it is going to be something in the future one thing you could do is when your is wearing full armor they cannot be detected by mortals allowing you to walk through towns and not have to worry about the guards ripping your arms, making your bones into flower and baking them into sweet roles just so when there about to lock you away for eternity they can say "let me guess somebody stole you sweet role" and then laugh in your face :devil: Edited January 21, 2013 by KILLERZombie135

[jack013]

i'm sure it's not as easy as you're making it sound. would a lich look like one 24/7 or just transform like a vampire lord?

did you see the immersive creatures new lich models, they're the sex.

[KILLERZombie135]

i'm sure it's not as easy as you're making it sound. would a lich look like one 24/7 or just transform like a vampire lord?

did you see the immersive creatures new lich models, they're the sex.

 

All you need to do is set up a faction change when someone is wearing full armor if you have questions on how to do it, this guy managed to do it and even with other armors LordDarkga

Edited January 22, 2013 by KILLERZombie135

[skulleris]

i'm sure it's not as easy as you're making it sound. would a lich look like one 24/7 or just transform like a vampire lord?

did you see the immersive creatures new lich models, they're the sex.

 

All you need to do is set up a faction change when someone is wearing full armor if you have questions on how to do it, this guy managed to do it and even with other armors LordDarkga

That's PERFECT, i actually thought about that, but i thought it's impossible!!!

 

 

I guess i was wrong :psyduck:

[sweetsnowboarding]

What i'm saying is a lich is a lich, and a lich most definietely doesn't look like this>

 

What a lich CAN do on the other hand, is use magic to disguise himself around others, also.....I doubt that armors and such would be able to show up on a custom lich model, they could still be equip-able and maybe you could still receive the bonuses of them, just I doubt you would be able to see them. About the transformation idea...I think that is terrible...thats like saying a human can only transform into a human sometimes, the rest of the time it looks like an ape....no....the lich's DEFAULT form should be the undead one, and then maybe a toggle or toggle-like spell that makes them take on the form of a human. All i'm saying is a lich is an undead abomination with rotting flesh and bare bones that skulks in crypts and tombs doing dark rituals and raising undead armies, not a human that walks around town and goes shopping like no biggy. A human illusion toggle is much more logical and lore friendly.

Edited January 22, 2013 by sweetsnowboarding

[skulleris]

Wait, Mannimarco looked like a high elf?

 

REALLY?

Weird, i SWEAR when i played oblivion he looked like a robed skeleton. Hmm, i wonder. Though it's possible i was using lots of mods :mellow:

[sweetsnowboarding]

Wait, Mannimarco looked like a high elf?

 

REALLY?

Weird, i SWEAR when i played oblivion he looked like a robed skeleton. Hmm, i wonder. Though it's possible i was using lots of mods :mellow:

One of the most popular mage mods in oblivion made mannimarco look like a real lich like in daggerfall

 

 

my main point is, without a lich looking like a lich....there isn't really too much point in becoming one...other than a few buffs.....

all you would need is one single custom lich model, with no armor showing up on it, but still equip-able, so you would still gain the armor boosts or magicka boosts of robes, and a toggle so you can go and do quests or buy and sell as you please! :)

 

when I think of a lich, I think of this>

Physical descriptionEdit

Liches are generally gaunt and skeletal with withered flesh stretched tight across horribly visible bones, but can vary greatly in appearance depending on their age (some appear as skeletons dressed in regal finery, yet others seem to be rotted zombie-like mages. Bright pinpoints of crimson light burn in the empty sockets of those whose eyes have been destroyed or otherwise lost or are so old they have simply rotted away. They are often clad in dark, tattered robes. When moving, they seem to glide as if floating on water.

Liches often do not have lips or the necessary organs to produce natural speech, but they have the ability to project speech from their mouths magically, moving the jaw (if present) to aid the illusion.

Edited January 22, 2013 by sweetsnowboarding