Real World Weapons Mod

[mason4300]

So, if I can manage it, I want to make a mod that incorporates as many real world guns into the game as possible.

(List of predictable COD4/CS Tacticoolery)

 

That is pretty bloody far from a list of 'real world' guns for a North American post-apoc environment.

 

How many G36's do you see floating around the US? Hmm? How about MGL-140's? F2000's? Bizon-66's? Are you serious? And what the heck is a PSG-90 - Theres a PSG-1 and an MSG-90 and the last time I checked, HK didn't let them have kids. and its a moot point because there's damn few PSG-1's in civilian hands because they were so bloody expensive and MSG-90's were never sold to civilians at all.

 

There's a handful that you listed that are realistic - The Beretta 92, P220, USP, Mossberg & Benelli are all reasonably common, the M40A1 is just a military-standardized Winchester Model 70 with some accuracy enhancements so that is common as a concept since there's so many Remington 700's and Winchester Model 70's floating around.

 

Everything else is a crock, outside of your typical semiauto only AK variants that are plentiful as well as the semiauto AR-15 M4gerys (that's pronounced M-forgery) That so many folks are so keen on tacticooling out with a bunch of poo as if that could hide their utter lack of marksmanship skill.

 

Nevermind how silly it is to get hung up on so many 'real world' guns, as if an alternate sci-fi timeline that diverges with our own after WW2 and sets a game 200 years after a nuclear war in 2077 would somehow have the exact same mix of guns we have now in 2008.

 

Bring on the Gauss rifles, I say.

 

 

Sound a little snide and condescending there, bub, why don't you chill out? We all love guns (well, most of us) so what's wrong with wanting some versatility?

Moraelin is completely correct. Not to mention the fact that it is a alternate reality, as you yourself are pointing out over and over. If it is, who's to say which guns are and aren't in existence, and where you could find those that are? In an alternate universe, what makes you think that it would be next to impossible to find any of those guns in North America, or anywhere else? The story is not bound to our real life laws, trade and manufacturing agreements.

[Ronin4444]

agree with the last 3 posts... if we become too up tight with wat we can or cannot bring into the game we are effectively killing our creativity...

[Wreckless1]

2. Chill out, dude. You sound a bit... angry.

 

I was going to post something completely different at first, talking about how the phrase 'real world guns' is what set me off more than anything else, considering that the 'real world' of the majority of firearms in the US bear little semblance to the list he posted.

Then I was going to go off about how none of what our concepts of 'real world' guns are really applicable because, as you pointed out, we have no way of telling what guns would be common but I can guarantee that it wouldn't be identical to any list we could dream up now, particularly with the war starting in 2077 and if you expect me to believe there'd be zero firearm improvements in 70 years beyond a token laser and plasma offering, you'd have to be completely off your rocker... but then I realized something...

 

You know what - I am angry, you're absolutely right.

 

I gave it some thought and I honestly figured out why. See, I'm one of the OG Fallout addicts - Of the two times I ever ditched school, one of them was to ride my bike to EB Games in the wee hours of the morning to be there the second it opened to buy Fallout 2 on its release date in late October of 1998. This was before they had midnight release parties, you see.

 

Let me stress that I absolutely *Love* Fallout as a series and a game concept, more so than any other franchise or series that ever existed.

But Interplay took a dump, and I ghosted NMA-Fallout every few months but the news was always bad - no chance for a sequel, Van Buren will never get released, etc etc.. Meanwhile, people start modding FO1 and FO2, and they are all very keen about keeping it 'Fallout'. Obsessive, even.

So I'd reinstall and play through FO1 or FO2 every six months or so as I watch the inspirationless grindy dirge of McRPG vomit get released again and again and I start pining away for the day when a Fallout:3 might come to be. As with any fantasy I imagined it to be flawlessly, awesomely Fallout. Dark humor, awesome music, awesome post-apoc craziness, huge world, awesome inventory stuff, scary supermuties and critical hits to the eyes, etc.

Then whenever gaming gets discussed, finding another person who loved Fallout seems to make us instant friends. Not surprisingly, anyone who played Fallout almost invariably loved it.

 

Then Beth picks up the rights... then the teasers got released. I get excited. VERY excited.

A couple years later the game finally gets here. First time I've actually given a poo about a new game release *since* Fallout 2.

I play it. The insanely overaccelerated weapon degradation almost ruins the game for me instantly. The lack of weapon variety makes me sad. The utterly idiotic AI makes me disappointed. The lack of any sort of inspiration or variety in the dialogue is also instantly disappointing. The lack of any true voice talent beyond Liam Neeson is annoying, since the vast majority of NPC's all sound the same and whenever Liam talks I'm getting flashbacks to Jurassic Park and Star Wars.

So FO3 has problems. This makes me a very, very sad panda. Here I'd waited ten years and it felt like all I got a 80% finished Oblivion mod.

 

I wander over here to FO3 Nexus and start seeing mods that address and fix some of these problems, except... wait.

Who the heck are all these kids? What the heck is going on with these mods? What they hell do they think they are doing to Fallout?

Suddenly I'm seeing that the vast majority of modding has absolutely nothing to do with Fallout or making it *better* as Fallout - its the same ridiculous garbage that gets modstuffed into every other game - mods that give all women one of three breast sizes; unlikely, improbable, and impossible, complete with flawless jiggling animations they spent hours perfecting - suits of armor and matching weaponry from ridiculous games X, Y, and Z - The same old repetitive dirge of ZOMG TACTICKOOL GUNZ from every damned combat shooter that's had the slightest success, because one gun was really good in game F means that its a really effing cool gun and ZOMG it looks so cool I want it in Fallout 3!

Occasionally, this list of ZOMG guns gets augmented with designs they've seen in Jane's books, like this thread's OP.

Then of course the l33t super-black reskinning of every decent piece of armor in the game follows that, complete with red glowing eyes and Megadeth stickers so ultimately FO3 just gets straight-up hijacked to become just another vehicle for testosterone poisoned rejects to live out fantasies of H-cup hentai girls senselessly jiggling everywhere and wearing more makeup than clothing as their alter-ego PC's look badass with gothy black power armor and glowy red eyes and trenchcoats and swords and carrying all the guns from COD and CS and the airsoft catalogs they drool over.

 

This, to me, is akin to watching someone buy your dream Ferrari only to spraypaint the whole thing with two cases of Krylon after installing a nightclub's worth of neon underglow and slathering it in enough wings and canards to make every aircraft design team the planet all wince in unison as Ferrari snobs fight to stop the suddenly powerful urge to paint their keyboards and laptops with the stomach acid and Starbucks in their bellies.

 

Yeah, "its their car", just like the "I don't have to download it" concept; but there is such a thing as doing something sacrilegious to something you own in full that still deserves an ass-kicking.

 

So yeah, I am angry. In my shoes, I'm certain the rest of you would be, too.

I'm sorry that's bleeding through and becoming more and more evident in my posts - honestly I only take the time to post here in the hopes of sharing my very genuine and diverse experience with guns because I truly enjoy steering firearm enthusiasts away from Hollywood misconceptions and outright myths and BS.

From here on out I'll stick more to that.

 

 

agree with the last 3 posts... if we become too up tight with wat we can or cannot bring into the game we are effectively killing our creativity...

 

Where is the creativity in putting the same boring guns from every other game and Jane's book into FO3?

 

I don't mean to sound deriding of work such as the Better Arsenal mods from Vash's team of awesome mofos - but remember that the majority of the guns they've added are also from previous Fallout titles, which is a good thing. Regardless of the guns they choose to add, the work is top notch and personally I think Beth ought to be cutting them all paychecks.

 

But the folks who are also taking the time to add things like a scoped laser rifle, reskinning and removing the lameness from the Plasma weapons, folks who are adding Gauss rifles and railguns and Railway Grenade Launchers, etc, are showing *true* creativity.

[mason4300]

blarg!

 

 

After reading all that, all I can say is, you need to get out more. Seriously. What makes you think we're all downloading that kind of crap, anyway? Everything you listed that you're bashing isn't in my data folder, I can assure you. You say yourself that the arsenal of FO3 is lacking-At least some people are doing something about that. I'd rather play the game with the guns that were listed in the OP rather than have nothing at all. If you're so bent on having more guns added, but only "fake" ones, then learn to mod and make some contributions yourself. And regardless of what is deemed sacrilegious or not in die-hard fan groups, the law of "then don't download it" still stands. Your analogy about ugly-ass "pimped" cars doesn't stand as, unlike those hideous cars, you don't have to see everyone else's modded games everyday. As for the mods themselves, you're doing the same thing being here as you would be if you went to a shop that sold mods for cars. Some you'd like, others you'd laugh at or say "that is retarded!"

[ManIndaHat]

Since you obviously have some brooding hatred toward fallout 3 and any mods that don't cling to the canon like you do to your mothers bosoms, Why don't you go bavk to fallout 1 and 2 and play THOSE mods. :thumbsup:

[Type2]

MAKE GUNS!!!!! LOTS OF GUNS!!!!!!!!!

 

i wants a G11 in Fallout 3. im not sure why im obsessed with them o.O

 

pic: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...wehr_G11_sk.jpg

 

 

and a Rpg-7 XD

 

pic: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Rpg-7.jpg

 

 

and as you can tell they would fit in Fallout 3 perfectly :)

 

i forgots to add if anyone knows the name of a shotgun that looks like the G11, please inlinten me.. ive seen them in some movies i cant remeber but it has a handle where the pump is and a carry handle aswwell... its plastic i guess...( looks like a assualt rifle )

 

ima go sleep and play through fallout 3 again till i get bored with the game cause ive done all the good stuff then start another game lolz

 

what has Beth done to me. it maybe a blessing as i havent logged on to my WoW Char for over a month...

 

wait its just not Beth its all you awesome pepoles that bring out awesome mods XD.

[Ronin4444]

i'm not too sure which shotgun you are looking for one that looks like an AR could be the USAS 12 and one that looks and could say works like a G11 is the Neostead take a look

 

This is the USAS 12

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/usas-12-1.jpg

 

This is the Neostead

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/neostead.jpg

[Type2]

i'm not too sure which shotgun you are looking for one that looks like an AR could be the USAS 12 and one that looks and could say works like a G11 is the Neostead take a look

 

This is the USAS 12

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/usas-12-1.jpg

 

This is the Neostead

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/neostead.jpg

 

 

nope its none of those. its like the shotgun from Duke Nukem 3d with like a asault rifle cover over it. maybe it was just made for these movies but i dont think so. it was in a 80's sci fi horror movie when a group of soldiers were hunting a random monster in some kind of factory. it looked like a real shotgun just not some 80's crazy prop. i dunno i can't find it. maybe it is just a prop :P

 

meh forget it lol.

[Moraelin]

Wreckless, lemme put it this way:

 

1. modelling stuff is hard work. (Even more so for someone like me who 2 weeks ago hadn't yet even _seen_ Milkshape or Blender.)

 

2. The tools are _still_ stone age. And I'm saying that as one of the guys who had to reverse engineer some of that stuff in hex. It progressed a bit, but for example last I checked FOMM, putting in new sounds was still a job for the hex editor. Even to copy a mesh or sounds from another game (which I don't do, but looking through the mod list, apparently at least one person did) is more work than it should be, with a proper CS.

 

Not only it means more work for those that do contribute, but it's turning off some of the real skilled graphics artists who could make better stuff.

 

3. Each person's skills are what they are. Not everyone can make the ZOMG ULTRA-L33T RAIL-GUN from scratch. Some people genuinely can't do more than recolour an armour black. I know I for a while did no more than copying silencers around. (Though also mainly because of frustration that everyone else insisted you can't add new parts and I wanted to show the world that yes you can.)

 

Each contributes what he or she can. And it's a lot of work given away for free either way.

 

Now I'm not saying everyone deserves a 10 or a vote as mod of the years, but let's at least appreciate the fact that they do try to contribute something. They could be sitting around and waiting for someone else to do it.

 

4. The tastes of the downloaders are a wide spectrum too. You're not the yardstick for Fallout 3 players, you know. E.g., you're not the only die hard Fallout fan, I used to be a rabid Fallout 2 fanboy, but my tastes apparently differ from yours. A lot.

 

_Someone_ else out there probably genuinely wanted a black armour with glowing eyes. _Someone_ out there genuinely wanted a fully automatic shotgun, judging by the downloads that mod got. A lot of people wanted a silenced G3. Etc.

 

Even if it's niche stuff... you know what they say, if you're one in a million, there are six thousand just like you.

 

E.g., I didn't expect that anyone else would even know what a Dadao or Zhanmadao is, unless they're history geeks or chinese, but I just got some cheers for the former, and a repeated request for something that looks exactly as the latter. You'd think everyone would want SF or japanese/anime stuff, but apparently there are a few people out there which are into chinese historical weapons. Go figure.

 

5. It's for free. Nobody pays any of us to put long hours into it. Ultimately the selfish truth is: each of us is doing it for his/her own enjoyment, one way or another. We do the stuff _we_ feel like doing, when we feel like doing it. Which is why it's called a hobby, not work.

 

If you want to play boss and tell people what to do, then I hope you're willing to pay them a salary too. Because if they are doing what you want, not what they want, then it's no longer their free time, it's working for you.

 

Or, as was said, you could join in and actually model the stuff _you_ want. You could have made your own railgun in all the time you've complained about people making 1990's weapons instead of it :P

[aznboituan]

Wreckless, lemme put it this way:

 

1. modelling stuff is hard work. (Even more so for someone like me who 2 weeks ago hadn't yet even _seen_ Milkshape or Blender.)

 

2. The tools are _still_ stone age. And I'm saying that as one of the guys who had to reverse engineer some of that stuff in hex. It progressed a bit, but for example last I checked FOMM, putting in new sounds was still a job for the hex editor. Even to copy a mesh or sounds from another game (which I don't do, but looking through the mod list, apparently at least one person did) is more work than it should be, with a proper CS.

 

Not only it means more work for those that do contribute, but it's turning off some of the real skilled graphics artists who could make better stuff.

 

3. Each person's skills are what they are. Not everyone can make the ZOMG ULTRA-L33T RAIL-GUN from scratch. Some people genuinely can't do more than recolour an armour black. I know I for a while did no more than copying silencers around. (Though also mainly because of frustration that everyone else insisted you can't add new parts and I wanted to show the world that yes you can.)

 

Each contributes what he or she can. And it's a lot of work given away for free either way.

 

Now I'm not saying everyone deserves a 10 or a vote as mod of the years, but let's at least appreciate the fact that they do try to contribute something. They could be sitting around and waiting for someone else to do it.

 

4. The tastes of the downloaders are a wide spectrum too. You're not the yardstick for Fallout 3 players, you know. E.g., you're not the only die hard Fallout fan, I used to be a rabid Fallout 2 fanboy, but my tastes apparently differ from yours. A lot.

 

_Someone_ else out there probably genuinely wanted a black armour with glowing eyes. _Someone_ out there genuinely wanted a fully automatic shotgun, judging by the downloads that mod got. A lot of people wanted a silenced G3. Etc.

 

Even if it's niche stuff... you know what they say, if you're one in a million, there are six thousand just like you.

 

E.g., I didn't expect that anyone else would even know what a Dadao or Zhanmadao is, unless they're history geeks or chinese, but I just got some cheers for the former, and a repeated request for something that looks exactly as the latter. You'd think everyone would want SF or japanese/anime stuff, but apparently there are a few people out there which are into chinese historical weapons. Go figure.

 

5. It's for free. Nobody pays any of us to put long hours into it. Ultimately the selfish truth is: each of us is doing it for his/her own enjoyment, one way or another. We do the stuff _we_ feel like doing, when we feel like doing it. Which is why it's called a hobby, not work.

 

If you want to play boss and tell people what to do, then I hope you're willing to pay them a salary too. Because if they are doing what you want, not what they want, then it's no longer their free time, it's working for you.

 

Or, as was said, you could join in and actually model the stuff _you_ want. You could have made your own railgun in all the time you've complained about people making 1990's weapons instead of it :P

 

i completely agree with u people shouldnt be discouraged just cause it isnt cannon to one person hell i love the chinese swords added in my game just like i added some light sabers to it i am never happy with the original game that is why i look for as many mods as i can possibly add to my game without crashing which happens more often then not.

 

simply put i didnt even start this thread and even me as a novice modder i even feel little discouraged if that is what people think of some off the wall mod i can come up with why even bother posting it? but nahh i would anyways

 

i guess all i am saying is if he wants to add weapons in game who am i to say it isnt right?