Suddenly automatic weapon started to knockdown targets

[yuser]

For some reason all automatic weapon started to knockdown enemies. Namely: to knockdown, not to stagger them. The effect is very powerful, for example, one long burst of 10-mm automatic pistol is guaranteed to knock an enemy down. I have two saves with about 30 min difference between them, and just one level of difference (141 and 142), but no new perks (I hadn't applied any perk yet), no new mods had installed. But in more older save there is no such effect, in more newer it is exist.

So, how can I track down the culprit? I tried to compare actor values (it is possible to see them using Active Effects on HUD mod) - there is no difference. As I said before my character hadn't received new perks by the time of the 2nd save. And I hadn't install new mods by the same time.

Thanks in advance.

Edited May 4, 2020 by yuser

[Wererommel]

New to me. Possibly a corrupted save file? Check with Fallrim Tools.

[yuser]

There are no unattached instances and so there is nothing to clean.

[Wererommel]

You verified your local data on Steam? (It's under the F4 game settings in the library.)

[yuser]

It is very unlikely that corruption or version mismatch of some game (not mods) files could cause such very specific problem. But yes, I tried this. And of course, it didn't help.

 

I have a quite large load order - more than 550 mods, more than 450 ESM/ESL/ESP files and about 30 F4SE plugins. So everything can break itself at any moment. I doubt that there is any magic command or button that fix this problem, I only want to get some directions what to do/check.

 

But thanks for your help anyway.

[Wererommel]

I doubt there is anyone who knows all those mods, but if you post your load order, you may have better luck.

 

You've tried Mod Manager?

[yuser]

 

 

You've tried Mod Manager?

It is almost impossible to maintain big load order without Mod Organizer 2, so I'm using it.

 

 

 

I doubt there is anyone who knows all those mods, but if you post your load order, you may have better luck.

I think it is useless to post such big load orders, nobody will read it... But nevertheless:

 

 

 

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CWSS Redux.esp
Settlement_Markers.esp
AutoDoors.esp
AutoDoorsMegaPatch.esp
FS_NukaWorldTramFastTravel.esp
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Keep Radiants In Commonwealth.esp
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MAID_EXT.esp
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DamnApolcaypse_NoHuntinkKits.esp
mr Chemist Changes ValTags.esp
ChosenOne.esp
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WUNV_ArmorsmithExtended_Patch.esp
YA_npcbMStranger_SS.esp
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FHTO.esp
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MK_Agony.esp
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LBPAC.esp
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MsRae_Shops.esp
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[Wererommel]

Lots of weapons mods. Have you tried AWAD?

 

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/36567/?tab=posts

Edited May 6, 2020 by Wererommel

[yuser]

No, never heard about this mod before.

[Wererommel]

Might be worth trying. I didn't see Weaponsmith on your list. Some reason for that?