Game crashing around certain dragon burial mounds

[necromunchy]

...with or without mods.

Only thing I haven't yet tried is a clean reinstall.

 

Most problematic locations are the burial mound SW of the Reach Imperial camp and the one SE of the Pale Imperial camp, as there is no way to get nowhere near them.

What I've found so far is that, at certain occasions, a dragon is supposed to spawn around them, which doesn't happen, no matter how much time passes (tested with 30 days).

 

All suggestions appreciated.

[ripple]

Please post your load order (and include a list of mods you might be using that do not use esp's).

[necromunchy]

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh115/necromunchy/loarorder_zpsa33d0c20.png

 

Aside of that, there's the data folder, which consists mainly of texture and mesh edits, half of which have been taken out of various nexus mods (I do my shopping here and here alone), and half made by myself. I can get into specifics, if it's really necessary, but it would consume a lot of time.

 

Another two locations that i have failed to remember are the dragon mounds between Druadach Redoubt and Deepwood Redoubt, and the one south of Karthspire and west of the shrine of Mara (next to the bridge). Second one had been making a lot of problems once the quest Alduin's wall started, and i've managed to do it only by coc-ing to the Skyhaven temple and then going out to the blood seal, by tcl-ing through the head door (where Delphine and Esbern conveniently waited).

 

One more thing, the crashes I'm experiencing occur only on my main save. All new games, alongside that data folder, allow going to mentioned locations just fine. However, I haven't quite had the time to test if its maybe quest-related. It started as soon as I've met Delphine, if i remember correctly.

Edited January 1, 2013 by necromunchy

[ripple]

I have bad eyes and I just can't read anything in that screenshot.

 

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/583662-important-load-order-and-you/

 

Open your plugins.txt in a text editor. plugins.txt is found in your local application data folder. On Windows Vista/7, this is C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Local\Skyrim\plugins.txt.

 

Copy/paste here and enclose in a spoiler tag.

[necromunchy]

Thank you, and I'm sorry, I didn't know the forum will resize the photo this much.

 

Plugins.txt

 

 

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

AP Skyrim.esm

LorecraftESM.esm

moonpath.esm

More Interactive Items.ESM

3rdEraWeaponsMoS.esm

JSwords.esm

GameOfThronesArmors.esm

SPIKE.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp

Disease Descriptions.esp

UnlimitedBookshelves.esp

Frost Giants.esp

Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp

Cloaks.esp

Cloaks - Player Only.esp

Cloaks - No Imperial.esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp

1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp

CraftableHoods.esp

DPArmor.esp

Northborn Fur Hoods.esp

HentaiNightmareArmor.esp

Newermind Bow Collection.esp

warchiefarmor.esp

lightweight potions and poisons.esp

ArtifactOverhaul.esp

dynamic fires.esp

Follower Tweaks - WA.esp

MasterEnchanter.esp

Realistic werewolf speed.esp

Vile Art of Necromancy.esp

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

Enchanting Freedom.esp

EnchantmentCleanser.esp

hankyench.esp

ACE Realistic Fighting.esp

ACE BYOG.esp

ACE Speech.esp

ACE Archery.esp

ACE Armor.esp

ACE Enchanting.esp

ACE Magic.esp

ACE Melee.esp

ACE Smithing.esp

ACE Synergy.esp

mjollfacelift-blondehair.esp

portal2mod.esp

smakit_house_markers.esp

bettervigilance.esp

Odahviingisbetter.esp

bugwallbox.esp

bugtiltbox.esp

bugcase.esp

candlelightandmagelight10minute.esp

Craftable Light Ancient Nord Armor.esp

Advanced Ancient Nord Armor.esp

LightAncientNordArmor.esp

Falmer Smithing.esp

PA Ancient Nord dark-nonreplacer (crafted) v_1.esp

BetterFurnitureClutter.esp

Proudspire Manor Weapon Rack Fixes.esp

DremoraLordThrall.esp

Kynesguard.esp

BFFAnimalCompanions.esp

Dogsofskyrim.esp

Catsofskyrim.esp

Brynjolf Dialogue Fix.esp

Basvanbeu MuscleTextureChanger with Navetsea set.esp

Rooster At Dawn v1.0.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

Lorecraft - Vanilla.esp

Lorecraft - AncientFalmerSwords.esp

Footprints.esp

HirelingMarcurio.esp

RiftenJailVisualFix.esp

smash locks and more.esp

Solitude Repaired.esp

sapphire_speak_fix.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

WhiterunRebuilt .esp

BetterMagic_FULL.esp

Shrine of Azura LOD Fix.esp

QUEST - Companions Radiant Quests Anytime.esp

moonpath_questdata.esp

DBaddmembers.esp

GhorzaGraBagolInvestmentFix.esp

LFox Bottle That Blood.esp

Vampirelordroyal.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes.esp

TS_VampireTweaks.esp

VampireLordFlys.esp

BoneHawkFix.esp

elegantvampirearmor.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

PerkPointPotion.esp

Lorecraft - JSwords.esp

1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp

New Vamp Plus.esp

Blue Water_fix for Dawnguard.esp

Lively Followers.esp

ExtendedVanillaWeapons.esp

Revamped Vampire Lord.esp

VLCollisionFix.esp

VampireInvisibleItemsFix.esp

Crossbow_Basic_Collection_LListed_EN.esp

Serana Vampire Lord Bloodcursed After Cure.esp

sunnydawnbreaker.esp

ACE Archery Dawnguard Patch.esp

SeranaSecret.esp

Height Adjusted Races with True Giants v5.esp

Height Adjusted Races v5.esp

Convenient Horses - Unique Frost.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

MacKom_LoreStylesHairSet.esp

TS_BloodOmNomNom.esp

Derkeethus_fix.esp

Volrath - Enhanced Lights and Fixes - non-RCRN.esp

GreenWaterFix_CrystalClearPatch.esp

My Home Is Your Home.esp

Sorcerer Renamer.esp

Landscaped_Homes_Proudspire.esp

Landscaped_Breezehome.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern_Guards.esp

Barenziah's Crown.esp

BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp

Alchemic Tomes.esp

BabettesFeastBalanced.esp

HarvestOverhaul.esp

HarvestOverhaulDawnguard.esp

HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguard.esp

NewBeveragesAndMiscItems.esp

RFExit.esp

XCES.esp

Ritual Armor of Boethiah.esp

Connys Improved Hearthfire.esp

Better Vampires.esp

throneroom.esp

DeadlyDragonsSpells.esp

LustmordVampireArmor.esp

Realistic Lighting.esp

Better Dynamic Snow.esp

DummyTraining.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

VampiricDrain-Immensely-Powerful.esp

3rdEraWeapMoS-lvlList.esp

3rdEraWeapMoS-rareCraft.esp

isilnarsil.esp

destructible_bottles.esp

make inferno.esp

map markers misc.esp

map markers ruins.esp

mikeysmodslockpick.esp

rainbows.esp

shootingstars.esp

the dance of death - dawnguard edition.esp

treasure_hunt.esp

unreadbooksglow.esp

zariafarming.esp

LovelyHairstyles.esp

Sneak Tools.esp

Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp

Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp

tGBoA-4_volumes.esp

Phenderix's Magic Evolved - No Perks.esp

Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp

Phenderix AI Add-On.esp

zzlovelyfeather.esp

Eld-combinePotions.esp

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp

Realistic Lighting - Dawnguard Patch.esp

ImmersiveWater3.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

QuickStart3_NoHelmet.esp

Invisibility Eyes Fix.esp

DoggyDoors.esp

YngolBarrowButtonFix.esp

IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

Calyps-Hair-alpha.esp

merchant gold increase.esp

playerstatue.esp

Llevas - Athis Replacer.esp

Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp

Insanity's Pale Blade.esp

Bards attend Classes.esp

better_torches_brighter_torchlight.esp

RealisticLootList.esp

JiubQuestMarkers.esp

EzEWorldMap.esp

USKP Dawnguard vampire face & eye fix.esp

ExpandedJewelryCrafting.esp

da2-spiderfinesse.esp

Purewaters.esp

PurewatersDG.esp

_zzSimsHair.esp

_zzSimsHair2.esp

Gri_BeastFeet.esp

Faendal-by-Axeface.esp

Slof's Unique Frost.esp

Automatic Variants.esp

WATER.esp

WetandCold.esp

When Vampires Attack.esp

Vaszumriek.esp

Beards.esp

Vampire Skin Color Fix.esp

crimsonquestmarkers.esp

NecromancerImproved.esp

ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp

3DNPC.esp

Fantasy Music Overhaul Redone.esp

posesivecorpses.esp

Non-playable Armor.esp

Better Followers - NP.esp

UnblockActivateNoWereNoMap.esp

ToL_Core_by_Brevi.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

ImmersiveArmorsNPCs.esp

Headtracking.esp

DLC-ParagonPortalMapMaker.esp

 

The load order is most likely causing the problem, as that is the only thing i haven't double-checked after boss-autosorting ("if it doesn't ctd on startup it's okay" rule).

 

Thanks for your good will.

 

 

[ripple]

If you can still reproduce the CTD at those locations after you disable all your mods, then it's likely that whatever is causing the CTDs have been baked into your savegame. This might be an issue triggered by cell refresh. Try this: disable all of your mods, go into an interior cell with no NPCs and wait/sleep for 30 days, save and exit and re-enable your mods. Then see if you are still experiencing CTDs at those locations.

 

I don't see anything in the load order that might cause CTD at those locations, but there are issues with your load order:

 

1) you say that you use BOSS, but the load order doesn't look like it's been ordered by BOSS, unless you've applied personal over-ride rules for several plugins. Make sure you are using the latest version of BOSS with the auto-updating masterlist.

 

2)

3rdEraWeaponsMoS.esm

3rdEraWeapMoS-lvlList.esp

3rdEraWeapMoS-rareCraft.esp

 

My understanding is this mod is no longer being updated and has now been included in 'Immersive Weapons', so it's redundant to have this in your load order. You should uninstall all associated plugins with this mod and reinstall IW to overwrite the meshes and textures.

 

JSwords.esm <-- as this was made using TESVSnip, make sure you also installed the updated fix patch made by someone else. You will receive a notification as well as the name of the updated fix patch when you run BOSS.

 

While you are at it, you might want to prune your mod list as well to make sure you are using the latest versions, and remove mods that have not been updated for the latest patch.

 

3) You are using a number of 'give more stuff to NPCs' mods (immersive armour, immersive weapons, cloaks of skyrim, etc.). You'll want to download Wrye Bash and make a Bashed Patch to merge the leveled list edits from those mods. Otherwise, only one mod leveled list will properly distribute its mod items to NPCs while the other conflicting leveled lists will not.

Edited January 2, 2013 by ripple

[necromunchy]

Thank you so much for the suggestions!

 

It's true, I've installed and moved around several mods after autosorting, which was actually... quite a while ago. I seem to have overlooked the fact that 3rd Era Weapons is included in the Immersive weapons! I've downloaded it quite recently. Also, I have just updated JSwords! The first noticeable change were the loading screens, which now have matching text and images :D

 

While you are at it, you might want to prune your mod list as well to make sure you are using the latest versions, and remove mods that have not been updated for the latest patch.

 

Oh gosh... that will be a drag, as I've been manually installing some updates, sometimes even just parts of them, to reduce the time spent on meddling with it. But I shall! I must! I will!

 

3) You are using a number of 'give more stuff to NPCs' mods (immersive armour, immersive weapons, cloaks of skyrim, etc.). You'll want to download Wrye Bash and make a Bashed Patch to merge the leveled list edits from those mods. Otherwise, only one mod leveled list will properly distribute its mod items to NPCs while the other conflicting leveled lists will not.

 

Indeed. Wrye Bash is, and I'm not putting this lightly, the most useful tool I've ever used. As an obvious mod hoarder, it's impossible to even imagine running fallout games without it. For some reason, I still haven't put it to use when it comes to Skyrim. This obviously has to change.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, thank you for the very useful reply, and I'm officially off to test the game without mods.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[necromunchy]

[ Apologies for the walls of text and excuse me for double-posting]

 

I have updated BOSS and re-sorted. Holy hell, that's a lot of errors!

 

 

Deleting duplicate files definitively made a positive impact on loading time, however, it did little for the subject of this topic.

 

After this experiment, I have removed all mods and waited 30 days in Seeptimus Signus' outpost. Then per exit, the game crashed. Tried that two more times, with the same result. Then i killed the player character and reloaded - same result. I have restarted the pc and repeated the routine. Same crash occurred.

 

Moving the mods back in got the game back on it's feet, everything peachy and fine, but, fast-trevelling, walking or tcl-ing anywhere near the four mentioned locations caused a crash.

 

Ah yes, I've also visited all other dragon burial mounds on the map with no issues.

 

it's likely that whatever is causing the CTDs have been baked into your savegame.

 

Seems so. I've ran through a new game, mostly advancing through console, and managed to escort Delphine and Esbern to Karthspire with no issues. This savegame was made with no mods.

 

When I put the mods back in place, the problematic dragon burial mound had an "undiscovered location" sign (misc map markers mod), and I've managed to "discover" it with no issues.

 

What does come to mind is the fact that Karthspire actually has several punishments for premature exploration. Yes, that thing i couldn't resist doing in the main save.

 

At least there are no more important quests around mentioned dragon mounds. If ultimately there is no solution, i can just proceed avoiding them.

 

 

 

 

Thank you, ripple for taking the time to help!

 

P.s. my fallout games wouldn't be same without you, so thanks for that too :')