AtlasGraham Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 The one thing I've always hated about Skyrim is the fact that you HAVE to be a hero. You can be a prick, murder everybody in the game(With the help of mods, of course.) and be the perfect definition of a villain, yet in the end the only two choices are "Ignore the questline" and "Stop the world from ending" I personally hate the citizens of Skyrim. You could shatter every bone in your body, tear all tyour muscles to hamburger meat, and yet still manage to save the day. And they still treat you like trash. Oblivion suffered a similar problem, in that you couldn't join the Mythic Dawn, though you do get some respect for everything you accomplish. And Morrowind? Morrowind had two mods that let you join Dagoth Ur, though understandably the lack of extensive voice acting in that game made it a hellav a lot easier. What I want for Skyrim is the choice to assist Alduin devour the world! As far as voices go, very few of us actually learn Dragon Tongue, so it wouldn't be widely opposed if someone just made Dragons be the quest givers and just use the different dialogues for them with new subtitles. It would have to end in a Non-standard Game over, and people wouldn't be able to keep playing after completion what with the world being reset and all, but for those of use who play as destructive, violent, and hated characters this would be a perfect mod. I'm honestly surprised there isn't even an abandoned version of this floating around. I know mod requests don't normally get made, but I thought I would throw this thought out there anyway. There's always a small chance someone would be motivated, so where's the harm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacateazul42 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Thats... is a great ideia. Thats make a lot of sense. I mean, you can be a vampire lord who destroy the sun all around the world but you cant side with the badass ancient dragon? It would create a interely new history line, but would be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonchris152 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) I like the idea, but did alduin really want to destroy the world? I mean I know it's his destiny but he didn't seem like he was trying to accomplish this, more like trying to be the all powerful ruler he previously was. Don't recall any evidence except the prophecy calling him the world eater. Perhaps instead of destroying the world, alduin just controls skyrim until he actually decides to destroy the world at an undisclosed time in the future. This could allow you to continue playing the game instead of the game just ending and enslavement is a much more fitting punishment than just being recreated for those annoying Nords. I could be wrong in the way I'm viewing this, so if I am correct me. Edited January 6, 2013 by dragonchris152 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhncanson Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 He means to destroy what the world was, by enslaving humanity.. destroying the landscape... making his own oblivion realm on nirn.... it will be like hell on nirn.. oh... and about this idea of yours,, if and only if, bethesda wanted players to make their own choices in these questline... then how could bethesda, align what happened in TES V:skyrim to the next franchise?. You do realize your not the only player who plays skyrim... That is why its the main quest line because its strictly scripted as to follow what has been written on the lore. Uniformity my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightinglae850 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 He wanted to kill all mortals, he never wanted your help, he wanted your head laying on the ground which is why he attacked Helgen. You are not the good guy for killing him, you were not only saving the world, but you were his main target so you were saving your own ass. so no, by completing the main story it doesnt paint you as a saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhncanson Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 He wanted to kill all mortals, he never wanted your help, he wanted your head laying on the ground which is why he attacked Helgen. You are not the good guy for killing him, you were not only saving the world, but you were his main target so you were saving your own ass. so no, by completing the main story it doesnt paint you as a saint. I don't even think alduin knew about the dragonborn's return until a few of his comrades actually met the dragonborn.Its really impossible to tell that alduin knew all along the identity of the dragonborn because even the dragonborn didnt know he was a dragonborn. Alduin may claim he is a son of akatosh but that does not make him anymore close to be a god-like being(omniscient). If and IF, alduin knew the dragonborn.. he wouldnt have attacked helgen.. he couldv let the executioner cut off the head of the dragonborn because by attacking helgen and interrupting the execution, he only digged up his own grave, now.. i wouldnt think that alduin is stupid to do such thing, considering he is of immense age... he existed long time ago,, i think he even co existed with lord harkon from thousands of years ago or even older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightinglae850 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 good points but alduin is a dragon that means he never thought he would get defeated so "digging his own grave" would have never crossed his mind when he attacked helgen. he most likely wanted the pleasure of killing the dragonborn himself. I believe he knew about the dragonborn all along becuase he wasnt around when you killed the first dragon outside Whiterun and using your thuum was optional so he wouldnt have heard it. when you get to the 2nd dragon at Kynesgrove he looks at you and says "you dont even know our language do you? and you claim to have dovah blood" so he knew who you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasGraham Posted January 6, 2013 Author Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) I like the idea, but did alduin really want to destroy the world? I mean I know it's his destiny but he didn't seem like he was trying to accomplish this, more like trying to be the all powerful ruler he previously was. Don't recall any evidence except the prophecy calling him the world eater. Perhaps instead of destroying the world, alduin just controls skyrim until he actually decides to destroy the world at an undisclosed time in the future. This could allow you to continue playing the game instead of the game just ending and enslavement is a much more fitting punishment than just being recreated for those annoying Nords. I could be wrong in the way I'm viewing this, so if I am correct me. Wait... Yeah, you're right Alduin was a Tyrant, not a Omicidal Maniac. Kinda sounds like another ES character wanted to act against his chosen role... He means to destroy what the world was, by enslaving humanity.. destroying the landscape... making his own oblivion realm on nirn.... it will be like hell on nirn.. oh... and about this idea of yours,, if and only if, bethesda wanted players to make their own choices in these questline... then how could bethesda, align what happened in TES V:skyrim to the next franchise?. You do realize your not the only player who plays skyrim... That is why its the main quest line because its strictly scripted as to follow what has been written on the lore. Uniformity my friend. That's why it would be a mod. No mod is Canon to the series, and even using your argument I can counter with the fact that Fallout had multiple endings as well, but even though you could join The Master as a Super Mutant in the first game, or taint the water with the FEV virus in the third, the Canon ending is still always the heroic one. Master dies, Project Purity goes off without a hitch, and I honestly have no idea which ending is Canon in New Vegas, but I imagine it's NCR. Those like me who would like to ruin everything would love this mod, and those who want to follow the original storyline could ignore it, no harm done. Two sides to every coin and what not. He wanted to kill all mortals, he never wanted your help, he wanted your head laying on the ground which is why he attacked Helgen. You are not the good guy for killing him, you were not only saving the world, but you were his main target so you were saving your own ass. so no, by completing the main story it doesnt paint you as a saint. I don't even think alduin knew about the dragonborn's return until a few of his comrades actually met the dragonborn.Its really impossible to tell that alduin knew all along the identity of the dragonborn because even the dragonborn didnt know he was a dragonborn. Alduin may claim he is a son of akatosh but that does not make him anymore close to be a god-like being(omniscient). If and IF, alduin knew the dragonborn.. he wouldnt have attacked helgen.. he couldv let the executioner cut off the head of the dragonborn because by attacking helgen and interrupting the execution, he only digged up his own grave, now.. i wouldnt think that alduin is stupid to do such thing, considering he is of immense age... he existed long time ago,, i think he even co existed with lord harkon from thousands of years ago or even older. Exactly. I'm in the group that believes that, with Alduin being awakened close to Helgen and Helgen being fairly active at the time, he attacked it in a fit of rage. He would have had no knowledge of you yet. That theory makes much more sense than "Alduin being tossed to different era and instantly goes for the Dragonborn without any knowledge of his existence." Not to mention the fact that you were basically ignored while escaping. It just doesn't add up. And what of the Dragon Priests? The Dragon Cult? Even while Alduin ruled he let a select few Mortals rule over the others to a degree. Theoretically, so long as the Dragonborn swore allegiance and made no acts of ill will against him, the player could fill the same role as the Dragon Priests before them and be given power over the mortal residents of Nirn. The scripting to do this would be massive, but I've seen these sorts of mods made before. I see where you're coming from when you say you kill him because he poses a threat to you, but regardless of your motivation it ends the same. You kill him, nobody cares, you're still treated like a nuisance, and life goes on like it always has. Hell, I'd rather let Alduin kill me than THAT! Thats... is a great ideia. Thats make a lot of sense. I mean, you can be a vampire lord who destroy the sun all around the world but you cant side with the badass ancient dragon? It would create a interely new history line, but would be cool. Well, technically you just block it for a day but this is still a good point. The closest you can get to being a big bad in this game is after Dawnguard, which while fun it's it's own right doesn't compare to joining the supposed Galactus of the Elder Scrolls universe. Whether you're just helping Alduin hit the Reset Button, or forcing all other beings to bow or die, both scenario's are far more ideal to those who want to be an actual villain then what we have now. I have no doubt that if a mod that let you join Alduin was made that it would easily become one of the higher downloaded mods out there right now. Great House Dagoth and The Sixth House were some of the more popular mods for Morrowind, if I recall. People LOVE to play the role of the bad guy! And to my knowledge there's no mod that actually lets you do that as of yet. good points but alduin is a dragon that means he never thought he would get defeated so "digging his own grave" would have never crossed his mind when he attacked helgen. he most likely wanted the pleasure of killing the dragonborn himself. I believe he knew about the dragonborn all along becuase he wasnt around when you killed the first dragon outside Whiterun and using your thuum was optional so he wouldnt have heard it. when you get to the 2nd dragon at Kynesgrove he looks at you and says "you dont even know our language do you? and you claim to have dovah blood" so he knew who you were. Fair enough, but like I said before Alduin most likely JUST came from his Time travel, and Helgen is literally right next to the throat of the World. There was no way he could have known the Dragonborn was there. And your second point is fair enough, but the Gray Beards take notice of the Dragonborn as soon as they kill the Dragon, I don't see why Alduin wouldn't have figured it out then as well. Edited January 6, 2013 by AtlasGraham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhncanson Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 good points but alduin is a dragon that means he never thought he would get defeated so "digging his own grave" would have never crossed his mind when he attacked helgen. he most likely wanted the pleasure of killing the dragonborn himself. I believe he knew about the dragonborn all along becuase he wasnt around when you killed the first dragon outside Whiterun and using your thuum was optional so he wouldnt have heard it. when you get to the 2nd dragon at Kynesgrove he looks at you and says "you dont even know our language do you? and you claim to have dovah blood" so he knew who you were. Even if alduin is a dragon, remember... dragons are treated even in real life culture to be more intelligent than us humans and to think the way they battle is through speech.. then i would say alduin would know better than just brute strength.. I have no proof, but i think those dragons could communicate or have a sense for each other even from far distances.. anyways.. when i was at helgen.. alduin barely even noticed me, OR.... he wanted the dragonborn to be a challenge, seeing the dragonborn in binds doesnt give him the pleasure he wants... and as to go along with your theory.. he wanted a honorable fight between dovahs, Remember, that the dragonborn is a dragon in soul.... he's basically a dragon trapped within the body of a mortal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonchris152 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 For the whole dragonborn thing, wasn't the first dragonborn a dragon priest. I haven't played though dragonborn since I'm waiting for the PC release, but from the trailer he was originally a dragon priest who betrayed the dragons. Don't think the dragonborn is necessarily an enemy of dragons. The game seems to show that they are actually very similar. As for the whole helgen thing, I'm of the mind that Alduin wasn't completely aware of the situation, seen some armed soldiers and figured them to be the nord rebels he was fighting what seemed to be a minute ago to him. Obviously later he gains knowledge of the situation, but don't think he automatically knew what was going to happen as he wouldn't have made the same mistakes he made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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