Random CTDs

[vegeta0585]

I have an issue where I just crash to desktop for no apparent reason. It seems to happen mostly in exteriors or when loading a new area.

 

I am not super knowledgeable as to how this stuff works, so I figure I can come here and give you guys the info I do have and hope someone has the time to check it out who knows what they're looking for.

 

here is my Papyrus logs from the time I started playing to the CTD (probably about 10 mins of playing before boom)

 

Papyrus Log

 

and here is my mod list

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHairMales.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

moonpath.esm

SkyMoMod.esm

SPIKE.esm

WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm

portal2mod.esp

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

Chesko_Frostfall.esp

randomthunder.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hardcore.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

Fantasy Music Overhaul Redone.esp

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern_Guards.esp

High Level Enemies.esp

High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp

hqsnow.esp

Immersive Battles.esp

Immersive Brigands.esp

Immersive Dawnguard.esp

Immersive Patrols.esp

Immersive Travelers.esp

Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE.esp

ScenicCarriages.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

SkyUI.esp

Cloaks.esp

Cloaks - No Imperial.esp

Cloaks - Player Only.esp

daedric_phelm.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

Dr_Bandolier.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp

moonpath_questdata.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

Tundra Defense.esp

Babette.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

SkyJubs_Invisible_Helmets_English_Main_1_4.esp

SkyJubs_Invisible_Helmets_HothTrooper44_Plugin_1_3.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

SkyTEST-HarderCreatures.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Dawnguard-MonsterMod EBT Patch.esp

Jump150.esp

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

RND_SkyMoMod-Patch.esp

dovahkiinrelax.esp

The Dance of Death.esp

SkyRe_Main.esp

SkyRe_Combat.esp

SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp

SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp

SkyRe_StandingStones.esp

GDO_Plugin_SkyRe.esp

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp

UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp

SMSkyrim.esp

SkyRe_Races.esp

Purewaters.esp

PurewatersDG.esp

RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

ASIS-Dependency.esp

ASIS.esp

SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp

Nightmare.esp

MoreArrows.esp

Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp

RND_UniqueBoozeBottles-Patch.esp

NPC_Overhaul_1_1_.esp

Follower_Addon_1_1_.esp

ReProccer.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

[Selvec]

Wow, your load order is a mess.

First off, reorganize your load order to go in line with the standards set out by this thread:

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/753253-only-you-can-prevent-forest-fires/

 

See how that works. I'll start you off. Your unofficial patches need to be at the beginning of your load order, as you want other mods to override them. Your also going to want to look for compatibility patches for the likes of UFO, SkyRe etc. If you have mods with conflict, you'll have CTD's. But reorganize your load order first, that will eliminate a large number of crashes I bet.

[vegeta0585]

sorry, thats a mod list, not my load order, I have no idea how to get my load order, just the mod list in the boss folder. I sorted it with BOSS ....I'll just screenie it. I also didnt use the unofficial patches until recently. I was googling to try to figure out whats wrong. Some people said static mesh improvements reinstall would fix it, it didnt. Some people said the unofficial patches, it didnt.

 

Shot 1

 

Shot 2

 

thats boss sorted with only 1 change, moving NPC overhaul towards the bottom or I get neck seems and grey faces. I specifically make sure things wont have a conflict with skyre, or if they have a work around.

[Selvec]

Yea, Boss is okay, but it still creates a lot of conflicts. It's a good starting point, if you want to get rid of CTD's however, you should still reorder your mods via that link I gave you. Its a long process, but onces its done things work pretty well together.

Unofficial patches are great, they make lots of fixes. But they fix in game issues mostly, not CTD's caused by mod's.

 

For one, you need to edit your skyrim.ini so it loads custom textures. At the moment, you are still using the Bethesda provided high def textures, which is probably not loading the stuff you want. If the grey faces happen on NPC's, then the NPC overhaul might be an issue, assuming it overhauls textures. Grey faces seem like a symptom of textures not loading if you ask me. Thats just a guess off the top of my head. Anyway, here's how to edit your ini so it loads custom textures as opposed to Bethesda's textures.

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/557650-fix-for-beth-hd-texture-pack/

 

Finally, i'd also verify your cache via steam. Right click on skyrim in steam, click properties, then click local files. Finally click "Verify integrity of game cache". It can take a few minutes, but what it does is replace any missing files in your game, this includes textures that may have been deleted.

[bben46]

Here is a link to my troubleshooting blog.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/bbenlibrary/topic/4751769/1/#new

This is updated from time to time so come back later for more.

 

If you use any of this and have some success - or even if nothing works - please post back here what you did that worked or didn't work. That kind of information can be invaluable to other members having the same or similar problems - And to me in fixing any problems in the blog.

[ripple]

I have no idea how to get my load order

 

I can never see anything in these screenshots...

 

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/583662-important-load-order-and-you/

 

Open your plugins.txt in a text editor. plugins.txt is found in your local application data folder. On Windows Vista/7, this is C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Local\Skyrim\plugins.txt.

 

Then copy/paste here and enclosed in a spoiler tag.

 

Yea, Boss is okay, but it still creates a lot of conflicts.

 

BOSS does not 'create' conflicts between mods. Mods create conflicts between mods....

Edited January 9, 2013 by ripple

[vegeta0585]

Yea, Boss is okay, but it still creates a lot of conflicts. It's a good starting point, if you want to get rid of CTD's however, you should still reorder your mods via that link I gave you. Its a long process, but onces its done things work pretty well together.

Unofficial patches are great, they make lots of fixes. But they fix in game issues mostly, not CTD's caused by mod's.

 

For one, you need to edit your skyrim.ini so it loads custom textures. At the moment, you are still using the Bethesda provided high def textures, which is probably not loading the stuff you want. If the grey faces happen on NPC's, then the NPC overhaul might be an issue, assuming it overhauls textures. Grey faces seem like a symptom of textures not loading if you ask me. Thats just a guess off the top of my head. Anyway, here's how to edit your ini so it loads custom textures as opposed to Bethesda's textures.

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/557650-fix-for-beth-hd-texture-pack/

 

Finally, i'd also verify your cache via steam. Right click on skyrim in steam, click properties, then click local files. Finally click "Verify integrity of game cache". It can take a few minutes, but what it does is replace any missing files in your game, this includes textures that may have been deleted.

 

since 1.4 you dont gotta do that for the textures. They load loose files first o_O

 

I just started a new game since I had removed a few mods mid game on the old save.

[Selvec]

Yea, Boss is okay, but it still creates a lot of conflicts.

 

BOSS does not 'create' conflicts between mods. Mods create conflicts between mods....

 

I disagree. Load order create's conflicts. Boss changes the load order. If I have a load order that works perfectly and I use boss, then I start experiencing CTD's and other conflicts, then BOSS has created the conflict by rearranging my load order badly.

 

But thats neither here nor there I guess, and the specifics on wording or what the blame lies with doesn't effect this thread or act as a solution.

 

Yea, Boss is okay, but it still creates a lot of conflicts. It's a good starting point, if you want to get rid of CTD's however, you should still reorder your mods via that link I gave you. Its a long process, but onces its done things work pretty well together.

Unofficial patches are great, they make lots of fixes. But they fix in game issues mostly, not CTD's caused by mod's.

 

For one, you need to edit your skyrim.ini so it loads custom textures. At the moment, you are still using the Bethesda provided high def textures, which is probably not loading the stuff you want. If the grey faces happen on NPC's, then the NPC overhaul might be an issue, assuming it overhauls textures. Grey faces seem like a symptom of textures not loading if you ask me. Thats just a guess off the top of my head. Anyway, here's how to edit your ini so it loads custom textures as opposed to Bethesda's textures.

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/557650-fix-for-beth-hd-texture-pack/

 

Finally, i'd also verify your cache via steam. Right click on skyrim in steam, click properties, then click local files. Finally click "Verify integrity of game cache". It can take a few minutes, but what it does is replace any missing files in your game, this includes textures that may have been deleted.

 

since 1.4 you dont gotta do that for the textures. They load loose files first o_O

 

I just started a new game since I had removed a few mods mid game on the old save.

 

Oh really? Wow, I never knew that. Cool. I changed mine based on instructions from a few different textures mods, guess the descriptions are out of date.

[ripple]

Yea, Boss is okay, but it still creates a lot of conflicts.

 

BOSS does not 'create' conflicts between mods. Mods create conflicts between mods....

 

I disagree. Load order create's conflicts. Boss changes the load order. If I have a load order that works perfectly and I use boss, then I start experiencing CTD's and other conflicts, then BOSS has created the conflict by rearranging my load order badly.

 

BOSS does not "create conflicts" between mods. If you have an esp that edits Aela's hair to give her a custom mod hair, and another esp that edits her inventory to give her a custom mod weapon, they both conflict with each other because they both edit Aela's NPC record, regardless of where you set those esp's in your load order, because load order does not actually resolve conflicting records between mods. The only way to really resolve conflicting esp records is to merge those edits via a compatibility patch (and sometimes this is not possible if they edit exactly the same thing, for example, two mods that assign different custom hairs to Aela).

 

BOSS simply automatically sorts the load order of esp's based on community input with specific attention to priorities like mod dependencies (for example, compatibility patches for two mods that needs to load after those two mods). So just because you did not experience CTDs prior to using BOSS does not mean the esp's in your load order did not 'conflict' with each other. And any conflicts that exist between esp's is not introduced by BOSS, since BOSS does not edit esp records.

Edited January 10, 2013 by ripple

[bigv32]

Boss is not perfect, but it does not create the conflicts. Basically BOSS takes a load order and applies a series of conditional statements as to where a mod should be. If ModA needs to be above ModB, Boss will put it above, but if that is the only condition in a load order of 10 mods, if ModB is in space 5, Boss would only put ModA in space 4. Other conditions could also alter ModA's spot. I am pretty sure in some cases, some conditionals can actually hurt the order, but it is impossible to consider all possibilities.

 

As for the load order in front of us:

 

Your Asis mods need to be at the very bottom of your load order. If Boss does not recognise a plugin, it just adds it to the end.

I do not recognize some of those follow esps, but i would bet those should be higher.

 

Your log was long but I saw this repeated a lot (I mean a lot)

 

Error: File "Chesko_WearableLantern_Candle.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.

 

There were also a lot of errors that seemed to point to some Follower problems.

 

What DarkBrotherhood quest are you on? Have you been having the crashes mostly since you started that quest?

 

 

For now, try moving Asis and adjusting your load order by whatever standards you choose to follow lol (be it Boss or other). Then uninstall your follower mods (use a new game or old save if you have followers in your main save). Also uninstall your wearable lanturns mod.

Note: by uninstall, I mean use Nexus Mod Manger to literally deactivate the mods (you don't have to delete the mods, but you don't want the esp's to even be present in the data folder.

 

See if that helps for now. Post another log if you crash.