Random CTDs

vegeta0585 · January 10, 2013

Hi again, thanks for the responses guys. I was never on a dark brother hood quest, im pretty sure that was from the dark brotherhood ressurected mod I had.

Chesko's lanterns does keep searching for that ESP but according to his main page its a known thing and doesnt cause crashes, and he'll fix it soon.

HOWEVER. I just reinstalled completely and dropped most modes I didn't really need. (dark brotherhood one, moonpath, etc) and now I am getting CTDs again....but the papyrus log seems a little more consistant, as in a lot of the same stuff but I still dunno what it means.

http://pastebin.com/MT0zvpGv

edit* I editted asis to not use Skyre_survivalism.esp to give mobs perks, and it got me passed the one point I was crashing at, now I crashed again -_-

http://pastebin.com/RgWGknkB

New Load order

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHairMales.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

SkyMoMod.esm

SPIKE.esm

portal2mod.esp

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Chesko_Frostfall.esp

randomthunder.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hardcore.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

High Level Enemies.esp

High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp

Immersive Battles.esp

Immersive Brigands.esp

Immersive Dawnguard.esp

Immersive Patrols.esp

Immersive Travelers.esp

Immersive Werewolves.esp

Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

Convenient Horses.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

SkyUI.esp

Cloaks.esp

daedric_phelm.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

Dr_Bandolier.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

Quest_SeaOfGhosts.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

Tundra Defense.esp

Babette.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

SkyJubs_Invisible_Helmets_English_Main_1_4.esp

SkyJubs_Invisible_Helmets_HothTrooper44_Plugin_1_3.esp

SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp

SkyTEST-HarderCreatures.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

dD-Dawnguard-MonsterMod EBT Patch.esp

xvisionchildren.esp

xvisionchildren - hearthfire.esp

Jump150.esp

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

RND_SkyMoMod-Patch.esp

dovahkiinrelax.esp

FNISspells.esp

The Dance of Death.esp

SkyRe_Main.esp

SkyRe_Combat.esp

SkyRe_StandingStones.esp

SkyRe_Survivalism.esp

GDO_Plugin_SkyRe.esp

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp

UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp

UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp

SkyRe_Races.esp

WATER.esp

RND_Water-Patch.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

MoreArrows.esp

RND_UniqueBoozeBottles-Patch.esp

NPC_Overhaul_1_1_.esp

Follower_Addon_1_1_.esp

ReProccer.esp

ASIS-Dependency.esp

ASIS.esp

Selvec · January 10, 2013

I disagree with the BOSS thing again, but only because I believe its a matter of wording, and not an argument on BOSSes function. In my view, if something changes something else, and that action generates problems, then its caused the problem. Wither the problem actually exists due to a lack of information, or because two things don't get along together is another matter. Its like saying I died in a game because the game is bad, when in fact it's not that the game is bad, its that my cat jumped on my lap and caused me to push the controller in the wrong direction. Outside force influencing events, causing issues, and thus creating problems. Simple cause and effect. Better example might be cables on a car battery touching and causing an electric shock because I slipped while changing the battery. The cables conflict with each other naturally, but are in a state of neutrality due to relative locations, however, when I slipped while holding them, pushing them together, I'm placed them in a state of conflict, and thus the shock and problematic reaction.

Sorry if I'm going to much into this. I just spent half my day staring at CK weapon sheets changing the same things over and over and over, so thinking about something else is nice.

Topic related stuff:

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Interesting thing. I had this part in to in a log a few days ago.

"[01/10/2013 - 04:50:19AM] Cannot open store for class "dlc1scwispwallscript", missing file?"

I had to reinstall skyrim, and then deactivate each mod via NMM (Deactivate, not just turn off.), then reactivate them one at a time. You may have to do the same thing.

So you've reinstalled, but did you deactivate all your mods and then reactivate on the ones you want? If not, try that and see what happens. Could be one of the mods your using has done something for some reason that it shouldn't have. I remember reading some place once that reinstalling and then trying skyrim with all your mods activate at once from the beginning can cause Skyrim to have a cry.

vegeta0585 · January 10, 2013

I deactivated all my mods via NMM, uninstalled via steam, deleted the skyrim folder to get rid of remaining data. Deleted the my games / skyrim folder.

REinstalled, reinstalled my mods. Playing again

Also got rid of all the mods that I didnt feel I needed.

I played through Helgen with notihng buy SkyRe modules on cause you gotta, then activated all the others after I finished Helgen and got to Riverwood.

ripple · January 10, 2013

I disagree with the BOSS thing again, but only because I believe its a matter of wording, and not an argument on BOSSes function. In my view, if something changes something else, and that action generates problems, then its caused the problem.

That doesn't mean it's an issue of "mod -conflict-." I am not trying to be a jerk about this, so let me explain why we are even bothering to correct your 'opinion' on this:

Some of us are trying to make suggestions to new and inexperienced mod users how they can better manage their load orders to deal with mod conflicts (e.g. "I CTD when I try to start the game?" "It's because you are loading an esp with dependencies before it's master"). BOSS is not a miraculous cure for mod conflicts (and it never claimed to be) but it is one of the necessary utilities for mitigating the aggravation of having to organized and reorganized the load order. Even for people who generate their own compatibility patches (and aren't really weighed down by load order issues), it's still a good idea to use a BOSS load order as a template for mod dependencies and sheer simplicity. But you are telling new mod users that BOSS creates mod "conflicts" when in fact it does not.

Your analogy therefore comes across as some sort of 'superstition.' Excitement can exacerbates a person's existing heart condition but that does not mean excitement is one of the causes of cardiovascular diseases. To blame BOSS as a cause for mod conflicts is like blaming a medical physician for telling you that you've developed a heart condition after years of poor diet and lack of exercise, because you didn't know you had a heart condition and didn't start feeling the signs until the physician told you.

Edited January 10, 2013 by ripple

vegeta0585 · January 11, 2013

so annoying, still happening, and its so random I cant even begin to pinpoint a starting point. Sometimes when i start a conversation. crash. sometimes when I use the forge. crash. sometimes when i try to sneak, crash. sometimes when I'm just walking around randomly, crash.

siiiigh.

bigv32 · January 11, 2013

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[01/10/2013 - 05:20:44AM] Error: File "Dragonborn.esm" does not exist or is not currently loaded.

I have no idea what you are using that would cause this error to come up lol. It was present in both logs. I don't think its the issue, but any ideas what is calling this? Were you a beta tester lol.

407.[01/10/2013 - 05:35:55AM] Error: Unable to bind script _DE_Campfire2FuelTrigger to (10025BC2) because their base types do not match

This was the last line before your crash in the second log. If I'm right, this script is from the frostfall mod.

In the second log, what exactly were you doing when you crashed? According to the log, you save three to four times in less than 30 seconds. Why? Was this autosave or manual saving? It is always better to have the autosave off and use the quicksave feature as the autosave does cause skyrim to crash more often (primarily when loading new areas).

Did you use any of your old saves? Script problems can become stuck in a save even if the mod that caused them is no longer there.

At this point, you should really deactivate the more game changing mods in order to determine what is part of the problem (Skyre and Asis. I would start with Asis). Once you find one that lets you go longer without crashing, then we can figure out if it is the mod itself or if it isn't playing well with another mod.

Edit: I went back and looked over your load order again. You do have a few mods that do sort of the same thing, but this could just be straining your system. What is your framerate like both while you are playing and right before a crash?

Edited January 11, 2013 by bigv32

vegeta0585 · January 11, 2013

I run around 42 frames per second.

I dunno why it shows 4 saves in a row, honeslty I hardly quicksave (which I should do more often -_-)

I dont have any mods that do the same thing?

This is the only save I have, I got a new PC , this is a fresh install of skyrim, and the only characters I've been playing.

I sent my papyrus logs to Chesko and t3nd0, the authors of the two biggest mods I use and they said they're clean, very clean in fact. The dragonborn.esm and campfire stuff is from frostfall auto checking for compatibility, Chesko said.

My FPS when I crash remains constant. Theres no warning, no rhyme or reason, just completely random crashing. I can be running along, fighting a monster, going into a dungeon, talking to an NPC, and the game is just like GUESS WHAT LOL CRASH.

There is absolutely NO warning via fps hit, stutter, anything, just BAM. If it was constant I could at least figure out where to START looking in my mod list :(

running TES5EDIT I get this after babette.esp (this esp is added by the eyes of beauty....

[00:54] Background Loader: [babette.esp] Building reference info.

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord FULL

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord SNAM

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord VTCK

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord RNAM

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord AIDT

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord PKID

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord CNAM

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DNAM

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord PNAM

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord HCLF

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DOFT

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord CRIF

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord NAM9

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord NAMA

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record NPC_ contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord QNAM

[00:54] Background Loader: Errors were found in: Babette [NPC_:0001D4B7]

[00:54] Background Loader: Contained subrecords: EDID VMAD OBND ACBS KSIZ KWDA DATA NAM5 NAM6 NAM7 NAM8 FULL SNAM SNAM SNAM SNAM SNAM SNAM SNAM SNAM SNAM VTCK RNAM AIDT PKID PKID PKID PKID CNAM DNAM PNAM PNAM HCLF DOFT CRIF NAM9 NAMA QNAM

[00:54] Background Loader: [ReProccer.esp] Building reference info.

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record WEAP contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord WNAM

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record WEAP contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord TNAM

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record WEAP contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord NAM9

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record WEAP contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord NAM8

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record WEAP contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DATA

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record WEAP contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord DNAM

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record WEAP contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord CRDT

[00:54] Background Loader: Error: record WEAP contains unexpected (or out of order) subrecord VNAM

[00:54] Background Loader: Errors were found in: DLC1DwarvenCrossBowEnhanced "Enhanced Dwarven Crossbow" [WEAP:0200F19F]

[00:54] Background Loader: Contained subrecords: EDID VMAD OBND FULL MODL MODT ETYP BIDS BAMT KSIZ KWDA DESC INAM SNAM XNAM WNAM TNAM NAM9 NAM8 DATA DNAM CRDT VNAM