Random CTDs

vegeta0585 · January 12, 2013

thanks for the answers guys, I removed babette.esp (the one eyes of beauty installs for the dawnguard fix) and so far no CTDs. I will try the save game thing as well just to be even more safe!

bigv32 · January 12, 2013

On 1/11/2013 at 9:52 PM, ripple said:
On 1/11/2013 at 9:03 PM, bigv32 said:
All I know is Skyrim's default autosave system can cause CTD's overtime during a playthrough. It was the same thing in Fallout New Vegas, which is why the CASM mod was so popular. Not sure if there is one for Skyrim yet.

The problem was that every autosave would continually save to the same savegame file, thus increase the chance of save game corruption over time. Adding the following line to your Skyrim.ini will increase the number of autosaves:
[saveGame]
iAutoSaveCount=#
Where # is the maximum number of autosaves you want the game to generate before it starts recycling the old ones.

This will make a new quicksave every time you hit the quicksave hotkey rather than continually save to the same quicksave file.

Thanks,

I was not aware of the ini fix. Will be nice for quicksaves because right now, I just save a new file every few quicksaves. Its a small thing, but it saves a little time lol.

vegeta0585 · January 12, 2013

Okay guys, think I found whats causing one of the issues at least.

And hopefully theres a fix without having to uninstall.

I use climates of tamriel, and sometimes it just....turns off its effects. Sometimes I can very easily reporfuce this issue, sometimes its random and lasts a few seconds. Sometimes it lasts minutes. But everytime I crash it seems the effects are either going out or coming back on.

Heres an easily reproduceable scenario!

I'm afraid to uninstall it as im pretty sure it runs scripts.

edit* wow, uninstalled it, installed RCRN, crash on startup as if I had a master issue, but I dont -_- checked with wrye bash, TES5EDIT, and my eyeballs.

edit edit* okay so I apparently fixed that, had to set the sKSE launcher through RCRN settings thing or it kept trying to run basic tes5.exe.

edit x3 well get into game, still random CTDs tho :(

vegeta0585 · January 12, 2013

hadn't happened in a good long while, then along comes this bandit, 2 passerby mages start otssin fireballs at him. ctd.

seems to happen more in combat.

someone had suggested upping my vram, its at 8000 should I set it higher?

bigv32 · January 12, 2013

On 1/12/2013 at 10:25 AM, vegeta0585 said:
hadn't happened in a good long while, then along comes this bandit, 2 passerby mages start otssin fireballs at him. ctd.

seems to happen more in combat.

someone had suggested upping my vram, its at 8000 should I set it higher?

I'm not sure what setting they are referring to with your VRAM. Unless there is some other ini setting that allows you to limit the VRAM usage for your game, I am pretty sure that this is fixed based on your graphics card. If there is a setting for that, then set it as high as you can or delete it so it uses the max amount.

What is 8000? It sounds like a name of a graphics card (Nvidia?)

Anyways, I watched the video, and I have not seen that issue outside (I am assuming you have been referring to "dimming" of the lights in the beginning.). In doors, I have seen similar issues when there are to many lights overlapping, but this does not seem to be the issue as its outside. Was that video an example of just the Climates of Tamriel glitch or did you crash as the end of it too?

If you're crashing in combat, it could be many things ranging from overtaxing the system to a mod conflict with mods that affect combat.

This is getting to the point where you should probably start deactivating your major mods one or two at a time and keep deactivating till you stop crashing (I would use a backup save for these tests as this will allow you to just pick up where you left off later when you can reactivate your saves).

ShadowGearX · January 12, 2013

I looked at the pictures you posted of your mods and You have multiple mods that modify the same things, followers, creatures, lighting ETC. What you need to do is give up on your current game, and start from scratch. You are taxing your own game, and possibly your system. To many mods, texture mods in particular will eventually corrupt a game save especially if you have changed Ugrid settings. I suggest also reading everything below the "Compatibility and System Settings" area for your WarZone mod http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/9494 here is a quote from that mods page:

"This mod adds a LOT of content, so do your best to give it a chance. If you are running 20000 hi-res texture packs, armor replacers, a million other mods that add NPCs, ENB, FXAA, etc then it should come as no surprise to you when you crash. This is not the fault of this - or any other mod. It is the COMBINATION of things that is causing it. Common sense people."

I could tell you to go back and read every mod description you have installed but that line honestly says it all. You got to much going on and it will never work properly with what you have running. It stinks, but its time for removal of all mods, and a fresh install of skyrim, save game removal, and new game start.

vegeta0585 · January 13, 2013

On 1/12/2013 at 7:56 PM, ShadowGearX said:
I looked at the pictures you posted of your mods and You have multiple mods that modify the same things, followers, creatures, lighting ETC. What you need to do is give up on your current game, and start from scratch. You are taxing your own game, and possibly your system. To many mods, texture mods in particular will eventually corrupt a game save especially if you have changed Ugrid settings. I suggest also reading everything below the "Compatibility and System Settings" area for your WarZone mod http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/9494 here is a quote from that mods page:

"This mod adds a LOT of content, so do your best to give it a chance. If you are running 20000 hi-res texture packs, armor replacers, a million other mods that add NPCs, ENB, FXAA, etc then it should come as no surprise to you when you crash. This is not the fault of this - or any other mod. It is the COMBINATION of things that is causing it. Common sense people."

I could tell you to go back and read every mod description you have installed but that line honestly says it all. You got to much going on and it will never work properly with what you have running. It stinks, but its time for removal of all mods, and a fresh install of skyrim, save game removal, and new game start.

I dont even have warzones, as I mentioned in a previous post I uninstalled a lot of mods I didnt really need. However, again, what mods do I have that do the same thing? Becuase I dont see any. The only NPC changes I have come from NPC overhaul. And textures ? Lol I run at 40 + fps, I am hardly taxing my system, it's quite capable of running even MORE.

Not to mention it crashes in completely random locations including small interiors with not much going on graphics wise. I am also not using and ENB and swapped from climates of tamriel to RCRN. I've also read the description on every single mod I've ever used, but thanks for implying I probably havnt. It's the first thing I do to check for posts on compatibility. I would however, suggest YOU read the descriptions if you think they do the same thing.

my current mod list on this install and save.

Reveal hidden contents

texture mods I am using skyrim hd 2k textures, hd armor replacer, WATER.

ShadowGearX · January 13, 2013

On 1/13/2013 at 12:24 AM, vegeta0585 said:
I dont even have warzones, as I mentioned in a previous post I uninstalled a lot of mods I didnt really need. However, again, what mods do I have that do the same thing? Becuase I dont see any. The only NPC changes I have come from NPC overhaul. And textures ? Lol I run at 40 + fps, I am hardly taxing my system, it's quite capable of running even MORE.

Not to mention it crashes in completely random locations including small interiors with not much going on graphics wise. I am also not using and ENB and swapped from climates of tamriel to RCRN. I've also read the description on every single mod I've ever used, but thanks for implying I probably havnt. It's the first thing I do to check for posts on compatibility. I would however, suggest YOU read the descriptions if you think they do the same thing.

Ok well first of all, I read your initial post and responded based by the pictures you provided of your load order. Saying you uninstalled some mods doesn't tell me EXACTLY which ones you removed sir. Your first post shows you have UFO & NPC Follower mods, I was merely pointing out possible scenerios. I don't know what they do because I DON'T use most of the mods you do, but whatever sir have fun with you're CTD's I'll continue to play my game. :thumbsup:

bigv32 · January 13, 2013

On 1/13/2013 at 12:24 AM, vegeta0585 said:

I dont even have warzones, as I mentioned in a previous post I uninstalled a lot of mods I didnt really need. However, again, what mods do I have that do the same thing? Becuase I dont see any. The only NPC changes I have come from NPC overhaul. And textures ? Lol I run at 40 + fps, I am hardly taxing my system, it's quite capable of running even MORE.

Not to mention it crashes in completely random locations including small interiors with not much going on graphics wise. I am also not using and ENB and swapped from climates of tamriel to RCRN. I've also read the description on every single mod I've ever used, but thanks for implying I probably havnt. It's the first thing I do to check for posts on compatibility. I would however, suggest YOU read the descriptions if you think they do the same thing.

I think there has been a misunderstanding here on the current load order lol. I believe he was looking at the load order on the first page of this thread. In that original order, you did have mods that added a lot. Warzones and Immersive Patrols for example both add tons of NPCs and in some cases to the same area. When I first install Immersive Patrols, I had a ton of issues with it, but with the last time I downloaded it, I don't have any issues with it.

I am going off of the load order from the top of page two right now, as I am pretty sure that is the lastest list we have.

Whatever mod the High_Level_Enemies.esps are from probably does the same thing as Asis. SkyRe also probably does several things that frostfall does. Follower_Addon and NPC_Overhaul could be messing with things that UFO does. The fact that some mods are bellow your bashed patch could cause some issues especially when it comes to rebuilding the patch, but as for whether those cause to to CTD in combat I can't say.

How do you uninstall your mods? I am not talking about using Nexus Mod Manager or Wyre. I mean do you go to an interior, exit the game, uninstall the mods, go back to the game and wait several days, then save, exit and reload again? I believe the official term for it is using a clean save, and it is mainly used when upgrading mods. However, it is also a safe way to make sure that a majority of the things that a mod adds are gone. There is also debate on the amount of time to wait: some say 40 ingame days while others say 4 lol.

As for you crashing inside small interiors without much in the way of graphics, to an extent it doesn't matter how much your current location has to do with it as where you have just been before that. If you go from a huge area to a small one, the game still saves the information from the prior area so it is faster if you go back. This is why some people use the pcb (purge cell buffers) console command a lot. It clears all saved VRAM info to basically just the current cell.

I don't believe that switching from Climates of Tamrial to RCRN helped your position much. RCRN is a bigger mod in its affects because it hits the system harder depending on your settings. I am not saying it hurt you or hurt you a lot so you are crashing. I am just saying it didn't help unless for some reason Climates was causing the issues. From you description though, the switch didn't help. Do you do a clean save when you switched? If you were outside when you made the mod switch, I could easily see that causing issues because you are forcing the save to forget a ton of data regarding Climates and then relearn the info for RCRN.

Finally, as I said earlier, it is getting to the point where you NEED to start deactivating your major mods till you find the problem. If you do a clean install of the whole game and then reinstall the same mods, nothing will change in the long run. I would say the first three you should start with is Asis, frostfall, and SkyRe. If the crashes stop, that does not mean those mods are the problem. It could be that another mod has a problem with them and without them activated, there is no problem. The point here is to narrow down the list. Another way to do it would be to deactivate all mods that aren't major (auto unequip arrows, bandolier, any weapon and armor mods). This way you could get you mod load order down to about ten mods. From there is should be easier.

IF you think the problem is with your current save game only, you could just use the coc riverwood option from the main menu and go get in a fight or something. If you crash still, it is mods. If not, then it COULD just be your save game. Another log never hurts either lol.

This next question is just out of curiousity. I don't recognize a few of your mod files names.

spike.esm (I use to have this, but I can't remember what its from. Isn't it an armour mod?)

RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

RND_SkyMoMod-Patch.esp

portal2mod.esp

vegeta0585 · January 13, 2013

my load order is in my last post, the ones im using now. UFO is a follower overhaul where as the NPC_whatever only changes NPCs looks (inhabitants of skyrim).

High_level enemies adds new higher level enemies as well as scales enemies to my current level.

As for conflicts, I have taken every step to ensure I dont use mods that do the same thing. For example, SkyRe. I dont use ANY of the enemy esps, nothing to effect them at all. I use the AI / spells / perks distribution from ASIS as well as increased spawns. I use the higher level enemies for scaling. SkyRe is very modular and you dont need to use it all :)

SkyRe also does not conflict with frostfall, in fact t3 and chesko worked together to not only make them fully compatible, but SkyRe_Survivalism was made FOR frostfall.

Spike.esm is for hothtroopers plugins, immersive armors and immersive weapons. As I mentioned, I read the compatibility things on every single page as well as how to install them properly. I dont crash a LOT, Id say once every 1-3 hours. The thing is I enjoy these types of games for the immersion. And right when I let myself be swept up into the glory that is Skyrim, oh hello desktop.

edit*

OH the RND_stuff are compatibility patches for Realistic Needs and Diseases. To be honest this script runs at ALL times and could very well be the culprit as my friend and I are both using it and have the same issue. I just hope not, as I like the survival aspect!

Random CTDs

Recommended Posts

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Link to comment

Share on other sites

Recently Browsing 0 members