rolanfindar Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) when launching with Steam, Simple Borderless Windows or the skselauncher it always crashes to desktop when the Skyrim dragon emblem appears before the menu options on the right side appear. here is my BOSS Log Recognised Plugins These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action. Skyrim.esm ActiveUpdate.esm ActiveContains dirty edits: 52 ITM, 1 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)Dawnguard.esm ActiveContains dirty edits: 602 ITM, 82 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}HearthFires.esm ActiveContains dirty edits: 171 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)MagicDuel.esm ActiveSPIKE.esm ActiveXFLMain.esm ActiveNote: For safe mod uninstall see special uninstallation instructions on mod page.Brawl Bugs CE.esp ActiveDaedricShieldHiResFix.esp ActiveFemaleVampireEyeFix.esp ActiveUnofficial Skyrim Patch.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}VLCollisionFix.esp ActiveUnofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp ActiveEveryVampireEyesGrow.esp ActiveNote: This mod will not be compatible with any mods that alter humanoid(imperial, breton, nord, redguard) race. Also, not compatible with mods that have Babette's facegendata(0001D4B7.NIF).Better Dynamic Snow.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 6 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp ActiveWarmer Magic Lights v2.esp ActiveWarmer Magic Lights v2 - White.espWarmer Magic Lights v2 - White - Big.espWarmer Magic Lights v2 - Big.espMintyLightningMod.esp ActiveEnhancedLightsandFX.esp ActiveStaticMeshImprovementMod.esp ActiveBirdsofskyrim.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 31 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)People Have Torches.esp ActiveSabreFurBag.esp ActiveSkyrim Flora Overhaul.esp ActiveConvenient Horses.esp ActiveFootprints.esp ActiveWetandCold.esp ActiveSkyUI.esp ActiveiHUD.esp ActiveBlack Mage Armor.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 0 ITM, 2 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)BowOfGunnar.esp ActiveBowOfShadows.esp ActiveCloaks.esp ActiveCloaks - No Imperial.esp ActiveNote: Use only one cloaks*espCloaks - Player Only.esp ActiveNote: Use only one cloaks*esp1nivWICCloaks.espBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim, get the compatibility patch in the WIC optional files.Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim, get the compatibility patch in the WIC optional files.1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp ActiveWarning: Use only one WICCloaks esp.1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.espWarning: Use only one WICCloaks esp.Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim (even with compatibility patch). To fix this use another WICCloaks esp or uninstall cloaks of skyrim.DK_Armor_By_Hothtrooper44.esp ActiveDragonBoneEbonsteel.esp ActiveDragonBoneWeaponsComplete.esp ActiveEinherjarArmor.esp ActiveElvenWeaponry.esp ActiveFaalSizaan.esp Activehothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Jaredschons&D13AdvDwarvenBowAllIn1.esp ActiveLeatherBackpackBlack-300.esp ActiveNote: Use only one LeatherBackPack Black espLeatherBackpackBrown-300.esp ActiveNote: Use only one LeatherBackPack Brown espLeatherBackpackDarkBrown-300.esp ActiveNote: Use only one LeatherBackPack DarkBrown espLeatherBackpack-300.esp ActiveNote: Use only one LeatherBackPack Original espMithrodinSword.esp ActiveNarquelionBow.esp ActiveNicoroshi Creations.esp ActiveNorthborn Fur Hoods.esp ActiveRitual Armor of Boethiah.esp ActiveSabreCat_Gear.esp ActiveskyforgedShields.esp ActiveTCOSS.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp ActiveTribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp ActiveTwisterBow.esp ActiveDr_Bandolier.esp ActiveDeadlyDragons.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}buildablehouse.esp ActiveMy Home Is Your Home.esp Activethroneroom.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 0 ITM, 32 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp ActiveHeadtracking.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 3 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)longercandlelight5min.esp ActiveManlyLonghammer.esp ActiveSkyRealism - Grass.esp ActivedD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 1 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)dD-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp ActiveHunting in Skyrim.esp ActivedD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp ActiveNote: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif.Better Vampires.esp ActivePredator Vision.esp ActiveToL_Core_by_Brevi.esp ActiveNote: It has been reported that Automatic Variants does not import the spell that infects the player on being hit by a werewolf.Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp ActiveBalanced_Magic.esp ActiveBFSEffects.esp ActiveDeadlySpellImpacts.esp ActiveSneak Tools.esp ActiveSneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp ActiveSneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp ActiveDeadlyCombat.esp ActiveDeadlyCombat_HardcoreDamage.esp ActiveDeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp ActiveDeadlyCombat_UnarmedFix.esp ActiveDeadlyCombat_NoArmorChanges.esp ActiveDeadlyCombat_NoAttackDistance.esp ActiveDual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp ActiveNote: Use only one Dual Wield Parrying*.espACE BYOG.esp ActiveACE Speech.esp ActiveACE Archery.esp ActiveACE Armor.esp ActiveACE Enchanting.esp ActiveACE Magic.esp ActiveACE Melee.esp ActiveACE Smithing.esp ActiveACE Synergy.esp ActiveBatTravel.esp ActiveVampirelordroyal.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 18 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)XFLDialogue.esp ActiveXFLPlugins.esp ActiveCerwidenCompanion.esp ActiveSpousetocustomhome.esp ActiveGri_BeastFeet.esp Activeethereal_elven_overhaul.esp ActivegetSnowy.esp ActiveLFox Improved Night Eye No Blur.esp ActiveWATER.esp Activerealrain.esp ActiveAutomatic Variants.esp ActiveASIS-Dependency.esp ActiveASIS.esp Active Unrecognised Plugins The following plugins were not found in the masterlist, and must be positioned manually, using your favourite mod manager or by using BOSS's user rules functionality. You can submit unrecognised plugins for addition to the masterlist directly from this log by clicking on a plugin and supplying a link and/or description of its contents in the panel that is displayed. Soulfire.esp ActiveAK- Placeable Statics.esp ActiveAK- Placeable Statics - Hearthfire.esp ActiveVampire Skin Color Fix.esp ActiveAK- Buyable Paintings and Pictures.esp ActiveAK- Mines and Mills.esp Active User Rules Sort realrain.esp after WATER.esp ✓ SKSE Version: 0.1.6.5 Summary Plugin Type CountRecognised (or sorted by user rules) 120Unrecognised 6Inactive 5All 126Plugin Message Type CountWarning 2Error 0All 33 tried getting it work with SkyRealism - ENB Evolved with ENB wrapper and injector types and without the ENB Some mods worth mentioning: i am using Texture Pack Combiner 1.81 Hardware: GeForce GTX 670, Core i7 3770k & 16GB RAM well it looks like i am having the 05. CTDS ON START-UP described in http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/753253-only-you-can-prevent-forest-fires/ Edited January 14, 2013 by rolanfindar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamefever Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 you are missing a MAster File This means that the game will always crash at start b4 or at arriving at start menu. there are a few Mods out there that refernce a master and the mod aurthor released it w/o realizeing. Also some mods Reference a master in a Script if that happens you get a crash unless the author was smart and made it a search for compatible mods script and then self terminate without crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamefever Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Dude there are sooo many ESP's in your load order that shouldn't even be playing next to one another. Your going to crash at the screen every time. I'd help I'm thinking about it but no one has thanked me for squat today. Edited January 14, 2013 by gamefever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamefever Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Warmer Magic Lights v2.esp Active Warmer Magic Lights v2 - White.esp Warmer Magic Lights v2 - White - Big.esp Warmer Magic Lights v2 - Big.esp more coming Cloaks.esp Active Cloaks - No Imperial.esp Active Note: Use only one cloaks*esp Cloaks - Player Only.esp Active Note: Use only one cloaks*esp 1nivWICCloaks.esp Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim, get the compatibility patch in the WIC optional files. Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim, get the compatibility patch in the WIC optional files. 1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp Active Warning: Use only one WICCloaks esp. 1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp Warning: Use only one WICCloaks esp. Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim (even with compatibility patch). To fix this use another WICCloaks esp or uninstall cloaks of skyrim. There's a compatibility patch for Cloaks and WIS Even with your beastly computer you've still got problems with your load order.In fact a lot of those mods just are not going to play well game mechanics wise and be absurd. I'm pretty sure you havent got some working correctly like ASIS has an EXE in Skyrim\Data\Skyproc\you probably havent even run that.honestly you need Fraps too your in for a suprise when you start crashing due to textures plus scipt heavy mechanics eating up your read/write on HD Edited January 14, 2013 by gamefever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolanfindar Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Warmer Magic Lights v2.esp Active Warmer Magic Lights v2 - White.esp Warmer Magic Lights v2 - White - Big.esp Warmer Magic Lights v2 - Big.esp more coming Cloaks.esp Active Cloaks - No Imperial.esp Active Note: Use only one cloaks*esp Cloaks - Player Only.esp Active Note: Use only one cloaks*esp 1nivWICCloaks.esp Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim, get the compatibility patch in the WIC optional files. Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim, get the compatibility patch in the WIC optional files. 1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp Active Warning: Use only one WICCloaks esp. 1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp Warning: Use only one WICCloaks esp. Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim (even with compatibility patch). To fix this use another WICCloaks esp or uninstall cloaks of skyrim. There's a compatibility patch for Cloaks and WIS Even with your beastly computer you've still got problems with your load order.In fact a lot of those mods just are not going to play well game mechanics wise and be absurd. I'm pretty sure you havent got some working correctly like ASIS has an EXE in Skyrim\Data\Skyproc\you probably havent even run that.honestly you need Fraps too your in for a suprise when you start crashing due to textures plus scipt heavy mechanics eating up your read/write on HD holy crap thanks man, i really appreciate your effort and patience. im sorry you haven't been thanked for your help and advice, is there some sort of thank you feature that i should use? what do you think i should get rid of? because i really contemplated on what to install i didn't just download them without knowing what they were but then again this is my first time playing with mods on skyrim. ill get to seeing what i could do and what works thank you again ok nvm gave you kudos Edited January 14, 2013 by rolanfindar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamefever Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) No problem man thanks for the thank you. http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/880865-about-to-start-modding/ Here I give good advice to a starting modder. Edited January 14, 2013 by gamefever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolanfindar Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) ok i followed Gopher's SKSE video tutorial to install SKSE before. i uninstalled of ENB and most of the eyecandy stuff like you've mentioned in the other thread that you've linked me. mostly just a mix of action heavy and immersion now. downloaded and installed the Cloaks of Skyrim and Winter Is Coming compatibility patch and deactived 2 Cloaks esps leaving 1. repatched the .jar files for ASIS and Automatic Variants and ran BOSS again but still having the CTD Skyrim.esm ActiveUpdate.esm ActiveContains dirty edits: 52 ITM, 1 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)Dawnguard.esm ActiveContains dirty edits: 602 ITM, 82 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}HearthFires.esm ActiveContains dirty edits: 171 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)MagicDuel.esm ActiveSPIKE.esm ActiveXFLMain.esm ActiveNote: For safe mod uninstall see special uninstallation instructions on mod page.Brawl Bugs CE.esp ActiveFemaleVampireEyeFix.esp ActiveUnofficial Skyrim Patch.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}VLCollisionFix.esp ActiveUnofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp ActiveEveryVampireEyesGrow.esp ActiveNote: This mod will not be compatible with any mods that alter humanoid(imperial, breton, nord, redguard) race. Also, not compatible with mods that have Babette's facegendata(0001D4B7.NIF).Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp ActiveWarmer Magic Lights v2.espWarmer Magic Lights v2 - White.espWarmer Magic Lights v2 - White - Big.espWarmer Magic Lights v2 - Big.espBirdsofskyrim.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 31 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)People Have Torches.esp ActiveSabreFurBag.esp ActiveConvenient Horses.esp ActiveFootprints.esp ActiveWetandCold.esp ActiveSkyUI.esp ActiveiHUD.esp ActiveBlack Mage Armor.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 0 ITM, 2 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)BowOfGunnar.esp ActiveBowOfShadows.esp ActiveCloaks.esp ActiveCloaks - No Imperial.espNote: Use only one cloaks*espCloaks - Player Only.espNote: Use only one cloaks*esp1nivWICCloaks.espBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp ActiveWarning: Use only one WICCloaks esp.1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.espWarning: Use only one WICCloaks esp.Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim (even with compatibility patch). To fix this use another WICCloaks esp or uninstall cloaks of skyrim.1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 4 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch-No Imp.esp ActiveIncompatible with: 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch espDK_Armor_By_Hothtrooper44.esp ActiveDragonBoneEbonsteel.esp ActiveDragonBoneWeaponsComplete.esp ActiveEinherjarArmor.esp ActiveElvenWeaponry.esp ActiveFaalSizaan.esp Activehothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Jaredschons&D13AdvDwarvenBowAllIn1.esp ActiveLeatherBackpackBlack-300.esp ActiveNote: Use only one LeatherBackPack Black espLeatherBackpackBrown-300.esp ActiveNote: Use only one LeatherBackPack Brown espLeatherBackpackDarkBrown-300.esp ActiveNote: Use only one LeatherBackPack DarkBrown espLeatherBackpack-300.esp ActiveNote: Use only one LeatherBackPack Original espMithrodinSword.esp ActiveNarquelionBow.esp ActiveNicoroshi Creations.esp ActiveNorthborn Fur Hoods.esp ActiveRitual Armor of Boethiah.esp ActiveSabreCat_Gear.esp ActiveskyforgedShields.esp ActiveTCOSS.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp ActiveTribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp ActiveTwisterBow.esp ActiveDr_Bandolier.esp ActiveDeadlyDragons.esp ActiveBash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}buildablehouse.esp ActiveMy Home Is Your Home.esp Activethroneroom.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 0 ITM, 32 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp ActiveHeadtracking.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 3 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)longercandlelight5min.esp ActiveManlyLonghammer.esp ActiveHunting in Skyrim.esp ActivedD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp ActiveNote: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif.Better Vampires.esp ActivePredator Vision.esp ActiveToL_Core_by_Brevi.esp ActiveNote: It has been reported that Automatic Variants does not import the spell that infects the player on being hit by a werewolf.Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp ActiveSneak Tools.esp ActiveSneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp ActiveSneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp ActiveDeadlyCombat.esp ActiveDeadlyCombat_HardcoreDamage.esp ActiveDeadlyCombat_GiantsAIFix.esp ActiveDeadlyCombat_UnarmedFix.esp ActiveDeadlyCombat_NoArmorChanges.esp ActiveDeadlyCombat_NoAttackDistance.esp ActiveDual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp ActiveNote: Use only one Dual Wield Parrying*.espACE BYOG.esp ActiveACE Speech.esp ActiveACE Archery.esp ActiveACE Armor.esp ActiveACE Enchanting.esp ActiveACE Magic.esp ActiveACE Melee.esp ActiveACE Smithing.esp ActiveACE Synergy.esp ActiveBatTravel.esp ActiveVampirelordroyal.esp ActiveContains dirty edits: 18 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)XFLDialogue.esp ActiveXFLPlugins.esp ActiveCerwidenCompanion.esp ActiveSpousetocustomhome.esp ActiveGri_BeastFeet.esp ActivegetSnowy.esp ActiveLFox Improved Night Eye No Blur.esp ActiveBashed Patch, 0.espAutomatic Variants.esp ActiveASIS-Dependency.esp ActiveASIS.esp Active Edited January 14, 2013 by rolanfindar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamefever Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Warmer Magic Lights v2.esp Warmer Magic Lights v2 - White.esp Warmer Magic Lights v2 - White - Big.esp Warmer Magic Lights v2 - Big.esp You still need to pick only one of these More coming SabreFurBag.esp Active Using this with Frostfall is redundant. PS I need your updated boss list.I'm still seeing Cloaks CloaksCloaks You only need one Cloak in your Load Order Cloaks.esp Active1nivWICCloaks.esp Hang On let me get back to you. Edited January 14, 2013 by gamefever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamefever Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Your load order should look like thisI got rid of stuff that was causeing your crashes and pulled sutff that was certainly redundant use of resources meaning you downloaded a mod that had the same backpacks in them as an entirely other mod you added, net result you got nothing newI also pulled mods from the list that were going to cuase crashes becuase they expected you to know that you needed additional resources not provided by them.I also removed mods becuase I couldn't recognize them. Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm HearthFires.esm SPIKE.esm Active Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp SkyUI.esp iHUD.esp Cloaks.esp 1nivWICCloaks.esp1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp DragonBoneWeaponsComplete.esp ElvenWeaponry.esp hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp ImmersiveWeapons.sp<-----By HothTrooperNorthborn Fur Hoods.esp Ritual Armor of Boethiah.esp skyforgedShields.esp Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp TwisterBow.esp Dr_Bandolier.esp DeadlyDragons.esp <---Make sure you add this to ASIS exclusions listbuildablehouse.esp Headtracking.esp ManlyLonghammer.esp Better Vampires.esp Predator Vision.espWarmer Magic Lights v2.espConvenient Horses.esp <---make sure you have version 4.5WetandCold.esp ACE BYOG.esp ACE Speech.esp ACE Archery.esp ACE Armor.esp ACE Enchanting.esp ACE Magic.esp ACE Melee.esp ACE Smithing.esp ACE Synergy.esp DeadlyCombat.esp <---Loads after ACEBatTravel.esp getSnowy.esp Brawl Bugs CE.esp <---Load this hereBashed Patch, 0.espAutomatic Variants.esp ASIS-Dependency.esp ASIS.esp So much for my spoiler tags Even if you were to install these properly you have to realize that your running a lot of scripting mods that put stress on performance unless you have a Nice Hard Drive. Edited January 14, 2013 by gamefever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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