Intel reportedly prepping soldered desktop chips after all

[Thor.]

Hello if you are planning on waiting out for the latest Ivy bridge cpus this might make you think twice if you plan on swapping cpus in the later future. Would this stop you from buying Intel???

 

 

I bet ya probably not, but if you want to swap out for a newer cpu in the later future, it might be a problem.

 

Source

 

http://www.extremete...chips-after-all

 

The fact how often have you had a failed oc and needed to replace the chip but can't now sense the chip is solder less and pasted directly to the motherboard. this is one scenario that might cause issues with this idea.

 

So what do you think of Intel move to the solder less cpu?? good or bad idea

Smiles thank goodness for amd, at-least wouldn't have to worry about that ehh. As they encourage upgrading http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/thumbsup.gif

Edited January 18, 2013 by Thor.

[FMod]

You're paying a premium of about $25 just for the socket and CPU packaging. Sockets are expensive.

BTW, it's not "solderless", rather it's soldered, the exact opposite.

 

This will only affect low-power, low-end parts that can't be overclocked anyway.

 

And if in some 2020 it does affect high-end parts... I haven't heard anyone complaining that they can't take off and replace the GPU on their video card recently. Have you?

With the GPU providing between 50% (in an office PC with integrated video) and 90% (in a gaming rig) of overall system performance, it's hard to find a reason you should be concerned about this in regards to the CPU more than in regards to the GPU.

[bben46]

While I rarely change the CPU chip on a board once it is built - I do prefer to be able to select the original chip for that board instead of being told this specific CPU on this board is your only choice. If you want a diferent chip in that board, or a particular chip in a specific board. SOL

 

I can see doing this on inexpensive low end boards to save a bit. But on enthusiast boards? Not a great idea. :rolleyes:

[FMod]

I have no stake in this either way - but if I had, I could assure everyone that by the time sockets are gone from enthusiast boards, they won't be missed.

 

There are two intel CPU you might install into an enthusiast board: 3570K if you are a gamer and 3770K if you work in Photoshop or 3DS (or if you like donating to charity and your charity of choice is Intel). The only purpose sockets serve at the moment is to save expensive CPU from faulty motherboards when the latter break down.

 

As CPU progress is all but over and they become increasingly less important (Intel might not even make a more than 4-core mainstream desktop part - ever), they'll have to get cheaper, and GPU will be the only thing that really matters.

 

 

Intel's intentions, of course, are anything but altruistic. The intent is to make motherboard makers take the expense of both faulty boards and faulty CPU. A lot of CPU dumped rather than removed and put into another board? Not their problem - actually only helps them sell more.

[Alithinos]

But will it still be considered a PC ? An open platform ?

[Dan3345]

This doesn't matter at all as this only a means for intel to cut costs on OEM machines.

 

Enthusiast hardware is always going to have the option for upgrades. Not too long ago there was a similar rumor like this, except in that one they said Intel was going to completely get rid of the option of changing CPU's without buying a new board. With a little bit of digging I found two things. One the author of that article was a paid endorser of AMD products, and two if Intel were ever to do this and force EVERYONE even Enthusiasts into it they would be shooting themselves in the foot with a rocket launcher.

 

And should they do it I will gladly take the performance hit and switch back to AMD. But because it would be so detrimental to them I don't see it happening. To be clear though they could and probably will do it for OEM PC's and it wouldn't bother me one bit as long as enthusiast grade hardware still has sockets with replaceable CPU's.

[FMod]

But will it still be considered a PC ? An open platform ?

What's so special about socketed CPU?

IBM PC had a soldered CPU. And up until 486 - which runs Windows 95, so it's pretty much the modern PC experience - soldered CPU were pretty much the standard.

 

Not the universal standard, some boards had two sockets: for the Processor and the Coprocessor. So on some boards you had one soldered CPU, on others you had separate ALU and FPU sockets where you could mix and match. And sometimes one would be socketed, but not the other, it could be soldered or not available at all.

CPU sockets kinda happened, and they can "unhappen" just as well.

 

Though really Intel is currently playing on its strong market share to pump up its profit margins to Apple levels. They are making unpopular and normally bad business decisions (netbooks choked by regulations, overpriced CPU in ultrabooks, making motherboard vendors spend $10 to save themselves $2) now, because they can.

Similar to how HDD makers used the floods in Asia to retake the market as a profitable one, keeping the prices up while slashing warranty terms. And how anyone who gets a monopoly will act.

 

Regardless, however, all players are playing towards retiring traditional CPU to a legacy compatibility role, it's GPU time now. Some people expressed hopes that NV might join the game - yes, it might, but don't expect any more x86 performance from them than maybe Atom level, and likely even just for booting up.

[Rennn]

I don't really care. A good CPU would be bundled with a good mobo anyway, and sockets are just annoying to deal with. For every given socket there are only a few models of workable CPU, and that interface is expensive. It's basically pointless to upgrade a cpu in many cases, because you'd be better off upgrading the gpu or the entire mobo 95% of the time.

[Thor.]

what about faulty cpus bundled with the motherboard, they could take shortcuts and mass produce them in mass, just think of the 360. In the short time it was released it had several issues with rrod's. If they are doing this with the Enthusiast pc parts. i could see allot of returns for faulty hardware.

 

especially manufacturing defects. this is no different then preparitary console hardware, except for th rest of the pc. if its built into the motherboard, whats stopping them. knowing the ties they have with Microsoft http://forums.nexusmods.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/whistling.gif

Edited January 20, 2013 by Thor.

[FMod]

what about faulty cpus bundled with the motherboard,

if its built into the motherboard, whats stopping them.

What's stopping them now?

 

I don't see any AMD CPU for Intel's LGA sockets or vice versa.