Karthwasten...we have a problem!

[QBit71]

I have a funny but annoying problem with Karthwasten and around the village. Once I walked the path between the Blind Cliff Cave and Karthwasten I've got a CTD. I started the game again...same thing again...CTD. I did start once or twice more, then suddenly a dragon fell from the sky...dead. No...not deadly dragon...the dragon was dead, when he fell from the sky. I've got a dragon soul without a fight. So...until there it was all funny, because after that, the game runs normally, without CTDs. But a few gamedays later, this dragon fell down in Markarth...also dead, but with no dragon soul and no skull. Only the whole dragon lies beneath the Markarth Stables, and always at another place. the thing is, this one fell from the sky, too, during another dragon attacked the stables...Strange! A few days later the same (I think so) dragon lies at Kolskeggr Mine. And now, every time I want to fast travel to Karthwasten and surroundings, I've got CTDs or endless loadscreen. When I walked the way, before I came to that area...CTDs. I have read, that this is a well known problem. But how to fix it? Could it be the dragon, because it's a non correct save? I have tested the Less Predictable Respawn Mod (http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/29973) to shorten the cleaning areas phase in Skyrim, but it didn't help. Any idea, what I could do?

 

By the way...In all the other places, Skyrim runs normally. And here is a screenshot of the dragon(s) at Markarth Stables: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/Images/195859

and this: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/images/195858

 

Sorry for my poor english :rolleyes:

Edited January 27, 2013 by QBit71

[sa547]

Could be some dirty mod that messed up with the location.

[gamefever]

Need way more to go on.

 

Load Order

Skyrim Version number

SKSE?

 

but basically you've likely got a mod or mods that don't play well together.

I've been seeing a lot of ppl post load orders with out of date mods.

I've seen quite a few running with pre CS mods this is sad.

I've seen a lot, a lot, lotta load orders with redunancy.

 

Honestly I could look at your game and tell you your just playing a game of when will this stop working altogether.

I have had to tell a fairly large number of new members that and often. They just put mods together that will cuase crashes and even say so on the main page of the mods in question so...

 

Good luck

[QBit71]

Need way more to go on.

 

Load Order

Skyrim Version number

SKSE?

 

but basically you've likely got a mod or mods that don't play well together.

I've been seeing a lot of ppl post load orders with out of date mods.

I've seen quite a few running with pre CS mods this is sad.

I've seen a lot, a lot, lotta load orders with redunancy.

 

Honestly I could look at your game and tell you your just playing a game of when will this stop working altogether.

I have had to tell a fairly large number of new members that and often. They just put mods together that will cuase crashes and even say so on the main page of the mods in question so...

 

Good luck

 

Hm, the first time I played the game, you could be right, I've made many mistakes. Then I began to read and learn more about installing mods, and how they all work together. That means: Read the instructions, load order with Boss, cleaning dirty edits and so on. I often read, that many people have the same problem at the same place, without any mod installed. My save size is constantly between 9 and 10MB by 97 Mods. With the rest area of the game, I have no problems, all is running perfect and smooth. The only thing, I really don't know, is how the Merge Patches run, or if they are useless in any form. At this point, I'm still searching for a clear and understandable instruction, how to use them.

 

My Skyrim Version is the newest (1.8.151.0.7), also SKSE (1.6.6 08970000)

and this is my load order:

 

I write an info by german mods.

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHairMales.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp (manual load order)

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp (manual load order)

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp (manual load order)

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePackFix.esp (manual load order)

Skyrim - Director's Cut.esp

Malachit zu Vulkanglas.esp (translation)

Eindeutige Regionsnamen.esp (translation)

Brawl Bugs CE.esp

NPC_Overhaul_1_1_.esp

ExpandedSnowSystems-CoT.esp

Better Dynamic Snow.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Illuminated Spells.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities & Town Interiors.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-VanillaNights-Lvl-1.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes.esp

Weapons and Armor fixes - Hacks.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

Craftable and Placeable Havok-enabled Bedrolls .esp

Immersive Travelers.esp

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-1.esp

Lanterns Of Skyrim - AIO - Dawnguard.esp

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

WetandCold.esp

SkyUI.esp

iHUD.esp

Cloaks.esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

DemonHunterArmor.esp

Remodeled Armor.esp

theRoadstrokersRoyalElvenSet.esp

TrissArmorRetextured.esp

HarvestOverhaul.esp

HarvestOverhaulDawnguard.esp

HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardHearthfire.esp

Lock Overhaul.esp

Beautiful Whiterun.esp

RealisticWhiterun.esp

towHarvest.esp

AchieveThat.esp

DawnguardDawnbreaker_SunFireEd.esp

FA Guard Helmet

Fox_breathe_low.esp

Headtracking.esp

kuerteeTekuromotosLessPredictableRespawn.esp

kuerteeTekuromotosLessPredictableRespawn MCM.esp

Quieter_Dungeons.esp

Quieter_Winds.esp

dD-Increase Fall Damage.esp

torches for realistic lighting.esp

UnreadBooksGlow.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

fcteResurrection.esp

The Dance of Death - Dawnguard Edition.esp

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp

Follower Trap Safety.esp

moveitLWT.esp

Basvanbeu MuscleTextureChanger with Navetsea set.esp

Purewaters.esp

PurewatersDG.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp (manual load order)

UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp (manual load order)

UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp (manual load order)

UFO - AllwaysDrawWeapons.esp (manual load order)

 

UNRECOGNISED MODS by BOSS...all at the end of the list:

DibellasCompulsion-NudeSpell-1-1.esp

betterwinterhold.esp

bettermorthal.esp

betterMarkarthexterieur.esp

betterinns.esp

betterdawnstar.esp

KidsColouredEyes.esp

BlackLuciaHair1.esp

ChildrenClothesClassed.esp

Follower_Addon_1_1_.esp

Winterhold_DeleteSnowPatches.esp

City Trees & Plants.esp

Unique Villages Falkreath Retexture for SMIM.esp

Unique Villages Ivarstead Retexture for SMIM.esp

Unique Villages Karthwasten Retexture SMIM.esp

Unique Villages Shors Stone Retexture for SMIM.esp

heuseman_allgemeine_sortierung_skyrim.esp (inventory sorter)

heuseman_allgemeine_sortierung_hearthfire.esp

heuseman_allgemeine_sortierung_dawnguard.esp

TES5_M28012013.esp (Merge Patch)

Edited January 28, 2013 by QBit71

[gamefever]

ApachiiHair.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHairMales.esm

 

Common mistake you should only use 1 hair mod at a time, you are actually using 3 btw

Reason character creation and showracemenu command can crash becuase of VRAM overload, note can crash it's possible that you won't or you wont crash the first time but will later.

 

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp <--This one is only needed to change BOOB and Butt size with appropriate SKELETON.nif file ie BBP or TBBP skeleton

 

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm <---Needs a patch to work with Climates though it can work w/o still causes issues w/o

 

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePackFix.esp (manual load order)

These are unnessary with most texture mods taking the textures well above this.

 

Skyrim - Director's Cut.esp no idea what this is but I'd just cut it for now.

 

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Illuminated Spells.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities & Town Interiors.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp

These will not ever work with Climates expect frequent crashing when installed alongside it

 

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

-quadruples your polygon counts or more

-basically very intense mod that newer modders do not understand.

-remove this and see a performance increase

-Mostly makes stuff you'd never waste time looking at look better hmmm how important is this

-Also ramps texures up pst the 2048 range in general

 

Immersive Travelers.esp

Adds even more ppl into the world

-Game Engine problem

-More than 3 ppl tends to make the game world less stable

-Using mods like this means you need to be aware that it's possible but not good to your game.

-I myself use ASIS and live with the consequences of it, or rather tweak my game for it knowing the likely outcome

 

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp

-Nice choice

-Clues me off that your going for an Eyecandy game

-This means that between these

Climates

SMIM

SFO

-Your using lots of resources to make the world pretty

-This limits what else you can do depends on your system, graphics tweaks, hardware tweaks, INI tweaks, and basically fine tuning of everything.

 

Cloaks.esp

1nivWICCloaks.esp

1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp

-Common problem

-only use one iof these esp's

 

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp

-Been out of date for a very long time this matters

-Use Enhanced Blood its up to date and current

 

I didn't get paid, I'm not a Nexus Staffer. I did this to share my love of gaming and help newer ppl avoid common problems. you can show your appreciation by clicking the plus sign next to the Kodos. Note that most ppl wouldn't go this in depth with you or even be as familiar with the mods you are running.

For the most part ppl see it this way, I had to learn it myself w/o a manuel or help so why should I help you?

[gamefever]

moveitLWT.esp

Will conflict with UFO

 

Follower Trap Safety.esp

Shouldn't use this with UFO

 

fcteResurrection.esp

Don't use this with UFO

 

Follower_Addon_1_1_.esp

don't use this with UFO

 

NPC_Overhaul_1_1_.esp

Not sure but chances are likely don't use this with UFO

 

Winterhold_DeleteSnowPatches.esp

Most ppl don't know jack about how to properly remove items from the game world, IE they deleted the item, now this is a BIG PROBLEM!!! Proper way to alter/remove an item is to just move it out of view. You cannot Delete items in CS without causeing items all alround the world to disappear.

-Additional Problem

-Now when you enter Winterhold you have another Mod calling on a deleted item

-The deleted item is not found and causes an immediate CTD!

 

City Trees & Plants.esp

 

Craftable and Placeable Havok-enabled Bedrolls .esp

-other modder's like Chesko did this better, likely this mod was an Alpha and never fully tested or kept up to date.

 

Fox_breathe_low.esp

-how important is it that foxes have breathing idles?

 

UnreadBooksGlow.esp

-how important is it that books Glow aka recieve a scripted magical effect that uses game memory to achieve.

-Example the mod makes an active call Function to the Papyrus system checking for unread books

-It then applies the effect to these unread books

-Great watse of computer resources

-sorry if you like the mod but I enjoy performance and stability more

-you'll have to decide that for yourself

 

ExpandedSnowSystems-CoT.esp

-I know it says COT

-Did the COT author make this

-If no does he actively support this mod

-If no I'd ditch this in a heartbeat

-Likely this is a fan that no longer keeps this up to date or it was always a BETA or Alpha anyway.

 

torches for realistic lighting.esp

-When you remove ROL for COL remember to remove this

 

Lock Overhaul.esp

-could cuase issues

-example applies locks to a ton of items in game world

-then you apply some other mod that makes changes to those items

-Probably safe

 

Quieter_Dungeons.esp

Quieter_Winds.esp

-Here's where the mod above can have problems

-These use ESP's that keep records of the dugeons

-that means it likely conflicts with any other mod that alters an object in those dungeons

-You should not use sound.esp's

-Sound files can be altered ie replaced to make quieter vai replaceing sound files.

-Mopst sound esp's come with addtional problems

-IE when removed cause savegame bloat.

 

Purewaters.esp

PurewatersDG.esp

-I'm guessing that this is a Mesh improver for water

-Water is about and has always been the most senistive thing you could replace in game.

-Water moves

-Water reflects Light

-Water can reflect objects like a mirror

-Plus water can be seen through

-It all adds up to a big problem for newer modders to tackle

-Expect bad performance or CtD's in areas containing water ie everywhere.

[QBit71]

Well, that's a lot of information. :thumbsup:

And a big thank you for all the details, in this way, you would search for months in the Nexus Forum.

I think, I will make another character, to test this all out.

 

With the fox thing, Lucia asked for a pet, and I said yes to it. That was pretty damned stupid. This beast breathes really loud.

Director's Cut is in some parts a translation tool. Because the big problem of the mods and the german version of the game is, that it's after installing mods, a mishmash of english/german language.

But, I think, I can live with it, because the speech is for 99% still german. Balgruufs kids are the only ones, who speaks english :rolleyes:

 

And yes, I love the pretty world. But I think, I will do some reducing, and see if it's ok.

 

And again, thank you for your detailed answer :smile:

Edited January 28, 2013 by QBit71

[Lunyra]

Got the same issue, even happens with an unmodded Game.