CTD at dragonsreach

[Crotexiphan]

At the start of the game when you tell Jarl Balgruuf about the dragons my game CTDs when he says 'send a detachment to riverwood at once' or however the line goes. My game also CTDs at random times as well.

 

Here is a list of the mods I use and the load order, if somethings are wrong could tell me? I am new to using mods.

 

Recognised/Load Order

 

Skyrim.esm Active

Update.esm Active

Dawnguard.esm Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

HearthFires.esm Active

ApachiiHair.esm Active

ApachiiHairMales.esm Active

ArmedttTeeth.esm Active

Deus Mons.esm

JSwords.esm Active

Warning: Original file was released before the CK (07 Feb. 2012) a compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)

moonpath.esm Active

Omegared99-Compilation.esm Active

SPIKE.esm Active

XFLMain.esm Active

Note: For safe mod uninstall see special uninstallation instructions on mod page.

MoreRainWindy66percentLessView.esp Active

MoreSnowWindyand75percentLessView.esp

Incompatible with: All lighting mods.

Contains dirty edits: 2 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active

RevampedExteriorFog.esp Active

LIAT - Sounds.esp Active

Rooster At Dawn v1.0.esp Active

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp Active

Remove Interior Fog V2 - Skyrim.esp Active

Note: Use Remove Interior Fog V2 - Dawnguard.esp in addition to include Dawnguard locations.

Note: Use Remove Interior Fog V2 - Hearthfire.esp in addition to include Hearthfires locations.

ArmorRatingTweak_10xAR.esp Active

Note: Use only one ArmorRatingTweak esp.

Birds.esp

Incompatible with: Heartfires DLC. Remove this and install BirdsHF.esp

Birdsofskyrim.esp Active

Catsofskyrim.esp Active

Chesko_WearableLantern.esp Active

Dogsofskyrim.esp Active

DSpSoB.esp Active

Requires: Neovalen Race Compatibility.esp

Note: Make sure you use Dawnguard version.

LIAT - NPCs.esp Active

UnlimitedBookshelves.esp Active

Lost Art of the Blacksmith.esp Active

More_Hides.esp Active

Owned.esp Active

Pupetteer Master.esp Active

ScenicCarriages.esp Active

ShootingStars.esp Active

skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp Active

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Active

BeastBanditsV1.esp Active

Character Creation Overhaul.esp Active

Footprints.esp Active

horsefp.esp Active

WetandCold.esp Active

SkyUI.esp Active

Actualize Apparel.esp Active

AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp Active

BlackSacramentArmor.esp Active

DPArmor.esp Active

DragonBoneEbonsteel.esp Active

DB Dragonbone Weapons.esp Active

Dread Huntress Armor.esp Active

DreamBurrowsRegalAssassin.esp Active

DwarvenMech.esp Active

Evil MasterMind Armor.esp Active

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Insanity's Sorrow.esp Active

LostLongSwords.esp Active

MaleClericArmor.esp Active

MaskofBlades.esp Active

NeoInpouArmour.esp Active

nordicrangerarmor.esp Active

Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp Active

private_singular_quivers.esp Active

skyforgedShields.esp Active

StorageHelpers.esp Active

Sweeping TwoHanders.esp Active

TCOSS.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

TERA Weapons.esp Active

TMasks-JudgmentDay.esp Active

Requires: Meshes and textures from Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam, esp usage optional.

Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp Active

UnenchantedNightingaleSetMod.esp Active

Dr_Bandolier.esp Active

Dr_BandolierDG.esp Active

Castle Strunmah.esp Active

Deus Mons_WithNPCs.esp

moonpath_questdata.esp Active

Riften Small.esp Active

RiversideLodge.esp Active

Run For Your Lives.esp Active

Sentinel Falls.esp Active

SBT Smal3.esp Active

SBT Smal1.esp Active

SBT Smal2.esp Active

SolitudeSKY.esp Active

Wyrmstooth.esp Active

SkyrimCoinReplacer.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

Masters of Death.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Normal Weight).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Reduced Weight).esp

Warning: Contains unexpected (or out of order) records. A compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)

Warning: Use only one of Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Half Weight).esp

Warning: Contains unexpected (or out of order) records. A compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Normal Weight).esp Active

Warning: Use only one of Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp Active

Weightless Ores, Ingots, Firewood and Coal - Better Sorting.esp

CCO - Oblivion Carry Weights.esp Active

CCO - Permanent Birthsigns.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 0 ITM, 24 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Fortify1H-Daggers.esp Active

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active

Headtracking.esp Active

Shadowmere-Essential.esp Active

PalominoHorse-Essential.esp Active

GreyHorse-Essential.esp Active

Frost-Essential.esp Active

BrownHorse-Essential.esp Active

BlackHorse-Essential.esp Active

BlackAndWhiteHorse-Essential.esp Active

Immersive Weapons.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

Proper Aiming.esp Active

TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp Active

NerniesCityandVillageExpansion.esp Active

SkyrimSewers.esp Active

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active

Note: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif.

VampireOverhaul.esp Active

BetterWerewolf 1.75.esp Active

Better Werewolf 4.5.esp Active

UnblockActivateNoWereNoMap.esp Active

ToL_Core_by_Brevi.esp Active

WerewolfSecondHowlToggle.esp Active

HitStop.esp Active

SwordDance.esp Active

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp Active

dovahkiinrelax.esp Active

SeeYouSleepByMadmole.esp Active

ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp Active

hankyench.esp Active

The Dance of Death - Dawnguard Edition.esp Active

TKDodge.esp Active

ArcheryDummyXP.esp Active

CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp Active

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp Active

ReadAndLearnSpeechcraft.esp Active

Necromancer.esp Active

Werewolf Loot- Dawnguard version.esp Active

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp Active

Brows.esp Active

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp Active

race+.esp Active

Horses for followers.esp Active

HothFollower.esp Active

XFLDialogue.esp Active

XFLPlugins.esp Active

Better Follower Improvements.esp Active

Follower Trap Safety.esp Active

wisplicker.esp Active

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

Random Alternate Start.esp Active

Incompatible with: Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

RAS - Riverwood CharGen.esp Active

Incompatible with: Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

CCO - Diverse Races And Genders.esp Active

WATER.esp Active

RaceMenu.esp Active

RaceMenuPlugin.esp Active

Note: RaceMenuPlugin is optional and provides support to alter Height, Breast, Glute and Biceps. If you experience issues with it, disable RaceMenuPlugin.esp and inform the author.

Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active

 

 

Unrecognised Mods

 

InsanityMask.esp Active

SLN_ElderScroll.esp Active

True Bound Armors.esp Active

DTHWerewolfUnique.esp Active

OpenAllure.esp Active

Demon wrath.esp Active

 

Edited February 3, 2013 by Crotexiphan

[ripple]

Can you replace that load order with your BOSS log (with the messages), and include a list of unrecognized plugins if BOSS generated one.

[Crotexiphan]

Changed the load order to my BOSS one and added unrecognised list.

[ripple]

BOSS has informed you of a number of issues with your load order, so you need to take care of them:

 

1) Cleaning: Some of your plugins need to be cleaned. Maybe you installed those mods after your last cleaning (I am assuming you have cleaned plugins with TES5Edit in the past since the other plugins that usually show up as containing 'dirty edits', like the DLC esm's, appear to be fine according to the log).

 

2)

JSwords.esm Active

Warning: Original file was released before the CK (07 Feb. 2012) a compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)

 

Make sure you have the updated fix patch for this plugin (error records can cause CTDs).

 

3)

MoreSnowWindyand75percentLessView.esp

Incompatible with: All lighting mods.

Contains dirty edits: 2 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

 

Lighting mods, this would included

 

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp Active

 

...and any weather mods you might be running. So double check the records in TES5Edit to make sure there are no conflicts.

 

4)

Birds.esp

Incompatible with: Heartfires DLC. Remove this and install BirdsHF.esp

 

I get a bit 'snippy' if I suspect someone has not read a mod installation instruction carefully....here's another one:

 

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

Random Alternate Start.esp Active

Incompatible with: Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

RAS - Riverwood CharGen.esp Active

Incompatible with: Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp

 

Generally speaking, avoid using multiple mods that purportedly do the same thing or similar things. It's very likely they will conflict directly, even if not flagged by BOSS.

 

5)

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ammo.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Normal Weight).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Reduced Weight).esp

Warning: Contains unexpected (or out of order) records. A compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)

Warning: Use only one of Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Miscellaneous.esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Half Weight).esp

Warning: Contains unexpected (or out of order) records. A compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Normal Weight).esp Active

Warning: Use only one of Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (Ranked).esp Active

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp Active

Weightless Ores, Ingots, Firewood and Coal - Better Sorting.esp

 

Make sure you have the updated fix patch for this mod. But really, I recommend replacing this with another sorting mod that does not contain error records. There must be at least a dozen sorting mods on the Nexus alone, most of which have been updated and do not require 'fix patches.' They are also really easy (albeit time consuming) to make in TES5Edit.

 

6)

Unrecognised Mods

InsanityMask.esp Active

SLN_ElderScroll.esp Active

True Bound Armors.esp Active

DTHWerewolfUnique.esp Active

OpenAllure.esp Active

Demon wrath.esp Active

 

 

Unless you've manually adjusted the load order position of these mods, right now they are loading at the end of your load order, after the compatibility patches (e.g. Bashed Patch). They absolutely cannot be allowed to do that. Their loading positions need to be adjusted based on if and how they conflict with the other plugins in your load order. The only reliable way to do this is to check them out in TES5Edit so you can see the esp records. After you decide where they should load based on the conflict records (if there are any), you can then use something like the 'BOSS Userlist Manager' to set custom rules for them, so their load order position will not be reset every time you run BOSS. If you are new to TES5Edit, and you just can't make heads or tails of it when looking at conflicts, post some screenshots and we can help.

 

7) If after doing the above things, you still CTD after Balgruuff tells Irileth tio send a detachment to Riverwood, try disabling your mods in groups, and repeat the process until you can identify which mod is responsible for causing the CTD during that quest stage.

 

8 ) Random CTDs: hard to track down. If you can find some patterns to them (mostly in the worldspace/outdoors? In interior cells? During combat? With followers? Etc.), it'd be easier. Some general suggestions: you are running a lot of mods with continually updating scripts (wet n cold, footprints, etc.). A couple of them should be fine, a lot of them will stress the game engine, no matter how powerful your CPU is (Skyrim only uses 2 cores at best anyway, and not very well at that), and make the game unstable. If you've made some ini edits, especially if based on suggestions from some of those 'Skyrim ini tweak guides' floating around on the interwebs, the edits might generate stability issues as well, depending on what edits of course. You might consider trimming your load order as a last resort. While Skyrim for PC is intended to be modded, it's very difficult to maintain long term stability for a heavily modded load order. I say 'as a last resort' because, if you didn't know already, uninstalled mods often leave orphan junk in the save game, which cannot be cleaned even after a cell reset (e.g. papyrus scripts). So uninstalling a lot of mods should generally be followed by starting a new game.

Edited February 3, 2013 by ripple

[Crotexiphan]

OK thanks, I removed some mods that were incompatible and/or similar and now the BOSS log has no more errors. (Just wondering if "Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}" is something I should fix or ignore it. All my mods are now clean and I will test it to see how it runs now.

 

 

[Edit] After playing for a while the game played smoothly and only crashed a few times when I went into the river after getting the dragon stone, but I walked along the river and then when I crossed it again it didn't crash. I will play some more tomorrow but it seems to be working now, if I need more help I will post again. Thanks for the help.

Edited February 3, 2013 by Crotexiphan

[ripple]

No problem. If you have both BOSS and Wrye Bash installed, the bash tags in the BOSS log require no user action other than verification in Wrye Bash that the esp's have indeed been tagged as specified, which should occur automatically the first time you run BOSS with Wrye Bash already installed (or maybe it's the other way around, can't remember....anyway, if you care to verify, highlight esp or esm in Wrye Bash, then look at the right bottom window). Edited February 3, 2013 by ripple

[yars]

So did you ever determine what mod was causing the CTD when in Dragon's Reach and he said "Send a detachment to Riverwood", because I too am having the same problem now and searching on the internet brought me to this thread. Any help you can provide would be greatly appriciated.

[Celticwolf369]

Hello, and here's my two cents worth of knowledge... I to am (was) having this issue and after several hours of reading and searching for a solution I have finally found one.

 

I had recently read that the Rayeks End and Riversde Lodge mods, while they have been made to be compatible with each other, they are not compatible with each other during certain parts of the game i.e. "send a detachment to riverwood at once" and then CTD. After disabling one and then the other and then both at the same time, I was still getting the CTD.

 

I have been disabling my mods in groups of 3-5 at a time for the better part of the day now and to make a really long trouble-shooting story short...

 

If you are using the following mods: Grillis Home Riverwood; Better Villages; and Rayeks End + RiversideLodge, disable these and then reenable after the "send a detachment to riverwood at once" speech. Don't forget to remove anything that you might have in the homes.

 

I myself may just leave these disabled from here on out, though they are among my favorites.

 

And even though I do not know ripple, please read his/her post becasue it's full of sound advice and I am of a like mind when people don't RTFM!

 

Thank you for reading this and luck to you!

[yars]

Thanks so much man. I was using Rayeks End for a long while in the past, and just recently decided to use Riverside Lodge. I'm not too far into another playthrough and may just start over with just one of these. I don't uses the Riverwood home or Better Villages, so hopefully with just one of the other two player home mods it will be a little more stable. Thanks again.

[LittleFighter]

Well would you adam and eve it. Disabling rayeks end and riverside lodge fixed this for me too.

 

I love the nexus site, there is always someone that knows what's wrong and how to fix it.

Edited March 5, 2013 by LittleFighter