CTD in an area

[NotMarki]

Yes it's another CTD thread.. I seem to be getting CTDs in the area around the bleak falls barrows exit.. north of riverwood.. the CTD happens anywhere around the lake and just now it happened after i exited the barrows so i couldnt even fast travel

 

Is this a known bug with a fix? Or could it be a mod problem.. I can't think of any mod that can be doing this except maybe climates of tamriel conflicting with a weather in that area?

[ripple]

Post your BOSS log (with the messages), include a list of plugins not recognized by BOSS if one is generated, enclose both in spoiler tags.

[NotMarki]

Hope this is what you meant.. just copied the whole plug in message:

 

Recognized-

 

(please note i have deselected 2 of the cloaks like instructed but it shows all 3)

 

 

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Skyrim.esm Active

Update.esm Active

Contains dirty edits: 73 ITM, 1 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Dawnguard.esm Active

Contains dirty edits: 607 ITM, 82 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

HearthFires.esm Active

Contains dirty edits: 171 ITM, 11 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

ApachiiHair.esm Active

3rdEraWeaponsMoS.esm Active

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm Active

Contains dirty edits: 4 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Deus Mons.esm Active

JSwords.esm Active

Warning: Original file was released before the CK (07 Feb. 2012) a compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)

Ket_ARMONIZER_v2.esm Active

moonpath.esm Active

Omegared99-Compilation.esm Active

SPIKE.esm Active

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Note: Recommend to use the Unofficial Dawnguard Patch in addition to Dawnguard. This is need for correct work with Dawnguard.

better dynamic snow.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 6 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp Active

realraincot.esp Active

ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp Active

Fantasy Music Overhaul Redone.esp Active

prometheus_beastskeletons.esp Active

BLESSINGS - Altar Descriptions.esp Active

Catsofskyrim.esp Active

Dogsofskyrim.esp Active

FullyEquippedBlacksmiths.esp Active

improvedglowingglowdust.esp Active

lanterns of skyrim - all in one.esp Active

Note: Obsolete. Update to latest version.

Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0.esp Active

Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

Contains dirty edits: 346 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Convenient Horses.esp Active

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp Active

chesko_lorebasedloadingscreens.esp Active

Footprints.esp Active

Ket_3DLoadscreens.esp Active

WetandCold.esp Active

SkyUI.esp Active

Cloaks.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 4 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Cloaks - No Imperial.esp

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

Contains dirty edits: 14 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Cloaks - Player Only.esp

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

Contains dirty edits: 50 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

1nivWICCloaks.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim, get the compatibility patch in the WIC optional files.

Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim, get the compatibility patch in the WIC optional files.

1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp Active

Warning: Use only one WICCloaks esp.

1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp Active

Warning: Use only one WICCloaks esp.

Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim (even with compatibility patch). To fix this use another WICCloaks esp or uninstall cloaks of skyrim.

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

NightsWatchArmorLight.esp Active

nordicrangerarmor.esp Active

Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp Active

3rdEraWeapMoS-lvlList.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp Active

Beautiful Riften.esp Active

Beautiful Whiterun.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 79 ITM, 2 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

betterinns.esp Active

Deus Mons_WithNPCs.esp Active

Elvenwood.esp Active

tos_granitehall.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 10 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

moonpath_questdata.esp Active

quest_nomercy.esp Active

quest_pitfighter.esp Active

quest_sorcery.esp Active

RayeksEnd.esp Active

RealisticWhiterun.esp Active

run for your lives.esp Active

Quest_SeaOfGhosts.esp Active

quest_thebiggertheyare.esp Active

Wyrmstooth.esp Active

AchieveThat.esp Active

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active

Ket_ARMONIZER_LListsNPC.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

Contains dirty edits: 6 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active

Requires: Dawnguard Compatibility_Patch.

tos_amber_guard.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 36 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

tos_laintardale.esp Active

tos_laintardale_hf.esp Active

tos_oakwood.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 9 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Warning: You need to use Heartfires version of Oakwood to work as intended with Hearthfires.

tos_oakwood_hf.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 3 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Hunting in Skyrim.esp Active

Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp Active

Skyrim Perk Enhancements.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 32 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

SPERG Dawnguard Patch.esp Active

Beards.esp Active

TheEyesOfBeauty.esp Active

3DNPC.esp Active

EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp Active

UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp Active

Warning: UFO - Dawnguard AddOn.esp required to work properly with Dawnguard (Official Bethesda DLC)

Warning: UFO - Heartfire AddOn.esp required to work properly with Hearthfires (Official Bethesda DLC)

Note: For safe install need dismiss all your followers, save, delete all included mods, load again, save and install UFO. For safe uninstall or update see special instructions on mod page.

BFFAnimalCompanions.esp Active

followerwander2.esp Active

Note: UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp has the same functional, but you can use FollowerWander2.esp on your choice.

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Active

ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp Active

getSnowy.esp Active

RaceMenu.esp Active

RaceMenuPlugin.esp Active

Note: RaceMenuPlugin is optional and provides support to alter Height, Breast, Glute and Biceps. If you experience issues with it, disable RaceMenuPlugin.esp and inform the author.

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

Unrecognized-

 

 

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thane's breezehome(v.4.1).esp Active

quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp Active

 

 

Other things you might want to know.. Graphically it's running stable and good FPS on ultra settings, quite surprising as my graphics card is a GeForce GT 630 which is said to only manage medium, but i have the 2GB version so thats possibly why.

 

Quadcore Phenom II CPU(3.4ghz)

8GB RAM (32bit windows so most of that is sleeping)

[ripple]

1) Cleaning: download TES5Edit from that link, follow the instructions on the page, and clean all the plugins flagged by BOSS as containing 'dirty edits' (including the DLCs the patch esm).

 

2) Maintenance: the 2 optional cloak plugins, since you are not using them, you might as well just remove them from the load order. Even though they are not being loaded because they are disabled, they are being scanned when the game loads and there is no reason to extend your game loading time even by a millisecond. Besides, you are already using the Bashed Patch to integrate it's leveled list edits with the other 'give more items to NPCs' mods you are using.

 

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JSwords.esm Active

Warning: Original file was released before the CK (07 Feb. 2012) a compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)

 

Make sure you download and install the updated fix patch for Jaysus swords from that link.

 

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moonpath.esm Active

 

Moonpath to Elseweyr has been reported to cause CTDs and other issues. The author's recommendation, I believe, is to enable it when you want to play it and uninstall it after completing the quest.

 

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lanterns of skyrim - all in one.esp Active

Note: Obsolete. Update to latest version.

 

Make sure you have updated.

 

3) CTDs and stability: Two 'types' of mods tend to be the usual culprits for random CTDs. The first are mods that add edits the worldspace (often to add more spawns and/or spawn points). I don't recognize some of the mods in your load order, so I can't say which one might be one of this type of mods. But if most or all of your CTDs have been outdoors, then consider removing those types of mods to stabilize your load order. If I have to wager, I would say this is more likely to be the cause of your random CTDs than the other issues mentioned here.

 

The other type of mod that stresses the game engine are mods with continually updating scripts (e.g. Wet n' Cold, Footprints, CoT, etc.). A couple of those are fine. More than that and they start to tax the game engine no matter how powerful your rig might be. Keep in mind that Skyrim can only utilize 2 CPU cores at most (and not very well at that).

 

4) The unrecognized plugins: their loading position will need to be arranged manually. They go to the bottom of the load order after you run BOSS, which means if they contain conflicts with the other plugins in your load order, they win. This can't be allowed to happen, at least not without checking the esp's in TES5Edit to see if they contain conflicting records. If they do, you'll have to decide who should 'win' and arrange their load order position accordingly. If they do not conflict with other mods, then you can load them anywhere above your compatibility patches (e.g. Bashed Patch). After you've decided on their load order position, you can use the 'BOSS Userlist Manager' to set custom rules for them so their load order position is not reset every time you run BOSS.

Edited February 6, 2013 by ripple

[NotMarki]

thankyou for helping i have been following your list..

but i have just worked out this is actually the hearthfire CTD

the same thing happened when i tried to get near the falkreath plot of land.. so there must be a plot of land near riverwood? correct me if i am wrong?

so i am working through their fixes now..

 

thanks again though

[ripple]

  On 2/8/2013 at 12:45 AM, NotMarki said:

thankyou for helping i have been following your list..

but i have just worked out this is actually the hearthfire CTD

 

No problem. But how did you deduce that?

[NotMarki]

firstly i made a mistake yesterday.. the place i was getting the crash and the falkreath hearthfire place are actually the same place i was just coming at them from different angles so didn't realise lol..

 

secondly.. as i got my latest CTD when i got close to the falkreath land plot i thought it must be something to do with it so then i googled.. turns out a lot of people have this same problem.. on approach of the land plot you CTD.. it conflicts with the "Places" set of mods..so i will try those.. but yea it seems most likely to be the cause of the CTD's they are too consistant in that area.. i can 100% reproduce the CTD in that area and no-where else i have yet visited in the game

 

i will keep you updated.. will also post how i fixed it, if i did, just in case anyone else with my problem somehow manages to stumble onto this thread

 

UPDATE:

 

Yey fixed!! it was the places mods:

 

oakwood and another one can't remember the name.. although i unsubscribed from them the esp's didnt deactivate so i thought it hadnt worked but i checked just now and deactivated them and no CTD :)

Edited February 8, 2013 by NotMarki

[mystlineid]

  On 2/6/2013 at 11:56 AM, NotMarki said:

Yes it's another CTD thread.. I seem to be getting CTDs in the area around the bleak falls barrows exit.. north of riverwood.. the CTD happens anywhere around the lake and just now it happened after i exited the barrows so i couldnt even fast travel

 

Is this a known bug with a fix? Or could it be a mod problem.. I can't think of any mod that can be doing this except maybe climates of tamriel conflicting with a weather in that area?

I am also having major CTD issues, i noticed in BOSS that Dragonborn, Hearthfire, Dawnguard have dirty edits, here are the BOSS Logs

 

 

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Skyrim.esm Active

Update.esm Active

Contains dirty edits: 73 ITM, 1 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Dawnguard.esm Active

Contains dirty edits: 607 ITM, 82 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

HearthFires.esm Active

Contains dirty edits: 171 ITM, 11 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Dragonborn.esm Active

Contains dirty edits: 57 ITM, 8 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

CLARALUX - More and Brighter Lights.esm Active

Note: Obsolete. Update to the latest version.

SPIKE.esm Active

HighResTexturePack01.esp Active

HighResTexturePack02.esp Active

HighResTexturePack03.esp Active

unofficial skyrim patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

unofficial dawnguard patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

unofficial hearthfire patch.esp Active

unofficial dragonborn patch.esp Active

MoreRain.esp Active

MoreSnow.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 2 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active

RevampedExteriorFog.esp Active

Blackout_Skyrim.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 3 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Note: This is an ENB mod. Be sure you have the correct ENB setup installed.

Blackout_Dawnguard.esp Active

Note: This is an ENB mod. Be sure you have the correct ENB setup installed.

Warmer Magic Lights v2.esp Active

Warning: Original file was released before the CK (07 Feb. 2012) a compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active

hqsnow.esp Active

item sorting by saige.esp Active

lanterns of skyrim - all in one.esp Active

Note: Obsolete. Update to latest version.

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Active

Footprints.esp Active

WetandCold.esp Active

skyui.esp Active

Cloaks.esp

Contains dirty edits: 4 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Cloaks - No Imperial.esp

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

Contains dirty edits: 14 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Cloaks - Player Only.esp Active

Note: Use only one cloaks*esp

Contains dirty edits: 50 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

darkseraticheavyarmor.esp Active

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp Active

viciousdawnbreaker.esp Active

betterdawnstar.esp Active

betterinns.esp Active

bettermarkarthexterieur.esp Active

bettermorthal.esp Active

betterwinterhold.esp Active

markarth_plus.esp Active

run for your lives.esp Active

the paarthurnax dilemma.esp Active

whiterunexenhanced.esp Active

FA Guard Helmet.esp Active

Immersive Weapons.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

longercandlelight5min.esp Active

More Dynamic Shadows.esp Active

Riften Bigger Trees.esp Active

Skyrim bigger trees.esp Active

SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp Active

Note: Uninstall old version of Skyrim Flora Overhaul if using SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp

unreadbooksglow.esp Active

riverwoodenhancedplugin.esp Active

taveriften.esp Active

tavesolitude.esp Active

tavewindhelm.esp Active

tavevillages.esp Active

whiteruninenhanced.esp Active

tavefalkreath.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 3 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. (http://www.creationkit.com/TES5Edit_Cleaning_Guide_-_TES5Edit)

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp Active

alternate start - live another life.esp Active

getSnowy.esp Active

barenziahquestmarkers.esp Active

 

 

 

do i have to fix all the bad edits through TES5Edit ?

Edited February 8, 2013 by mystlineid

[NotMarki]

just looked through your mods.. you don't have any of the mods installed that conflict with hearthfire but you have a lot of retexturing stuff.. if you're running a 32bit system your pc could be running out of ram and closing correct me if i am wrong anyone.. if you're on 64 that suggestion is moot

 

also is HQ snow the snow that is falling from the sky or the snow on the ground.. because if its the snow on the ground it might clash with better dynamic snow..

 

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lanterns of skyrim - all in one.esp Active

Note: Obsolete. Update to latest version.

 

find that on nexus

 

i also found that the flora overhaul used a lot of ram especially if your draw distance is high

 

..

 

i am no expert on mods though.. so don't take my suggestions as solutions

Edited February 9, 2013 by NotMarki

[mystlineid]

  On 2/9/2013 at 12:25 AM, NotMarki said:

just looked through your mods.. you don't have any of the mods installed that conflict with hearthfire but you have a lot of retexturing stuff.. if you're running a 32bit system your pc could be running out of ram and closing correct me if i am wrong anyone.. if you're on 64 that suggestion is moot

Specs:

 

OS: MS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1

CPU: Intel Core i5 750 @ 3201GHz

RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 12GB (3 x 4GB) @ 1600MHz (9-9-9-24)

MOBO: ASRock P55DE3

GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580

Soundcard: Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer