Randomly Can't Save Game

[Vanguardascendant]

Normally I can save the game without problems. But randomly, the save game options become grayed out and it won't let me save nor quick save. I also can't save via console command.

 

I am not running survival mode.

 

Has anybody run into a problem like this or have any ideas about which mods might cause a problem like that?

 

[LucidLady]

You could start by posting what mods you're using. I've not heard of this problem before, very strange.

All I do know is that the save options get grayed out normally whenever you have your Pip-Boy open.

Perhaps something is making your game think your pip-boy is open? I dunno. Just post your load order.

[Vanguardascendant]

Here it goes. It's a big list though, so I apologize in advance. I've tried to separate them by type.

Base Game & Creation Club

Fallout4.esm=1
DLCRobot.esm=1
DLCworkshop01.esm=1
DLCCoast.esm=1
DLCworkshop02.esm=1
DLCworkshop03.esm=1
DLCNukaWorld.esm=1
ccfsvfo4001-modularmilitarybackpack.esl=1
ccfsvfo4002-midcenturymodern.esl=1
ccbgsfo4045-advarccab.esl=1
ccfsvfo4003-slocum.esl=1
ccawnfo4001-brandedattire.esl=1
cceejfo4002-nuka.esl=1
cczsef04001-bhouse.esm=1
ccbgsfo4040-vrworkshop01.esl=1
ccfsvfo4005-vrdesertisland.esl=1
ccfsvfo4006-vrwasteland.esl=1
cctosfo4002_neonflats.esm=1
ccfsvfo4004-vrworkshopgnrplaza.esl=1

 

ESMs and ESLs
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp=1
Snap'n Build.esm=1
Homemaker.esm=1
SettlementKeywords.esm=1
EthreonMasterPlan.esm=1
ArmorKeywords.esm=1
CROSS_CosmeticFramework.esm=1
HUDFramework.esm=1

Laptop.esl=1

QuarryWorkObjects.esl=1
GKX Wave Spawner.esl=1
SettlementMedicBot.esl=1
SettlementCopBot.esl=1
ShackShops.esl=1
PoolTableStorageRacks.esl=1
Cerruti-M4k4rov US Vehicles Pack.esl=1
EsmeraldaAtomicBarAndStools.esl=1
EsmeraldaPrefabMCMHouses.esl=1
Dance-Ola.esl=1
VenFactionCots.esl=1
CWWorkshopMaster.esm=1
LuckyLoot.esl=1
Not Your Average Neon.esl=1
RadiationProtectorESL.esl=1
sniperwave.esl=1
GraveDigger.esl=1
MTM-DetectNPCItems.esl=1
HoloDisplay.esl=1
PipBoyCollection.esl=1
VendorCaps.esl=1
mso_sms.esl=1
ScrapMachine.esl=1
FastFillingBottles.esl=1
DDLL.esl=1
WorldlyWeaponMaterials.esl=1
MTM-BlackLaserGunsM.esl=1
jmenaruHair.esl=1
ImmersiveTeleportation.esl=1
Bunker1LinkedContainers.esm=1
NinjaSmokeBombs.esl=1
NorthgirlArmorFO4.esl=1
CovenantEnhancement.esl=1
JUniqueMinutemenSettlers.esl=1
ArchUniqueSettlers.esl=1
TooManyButtons.esl=1
SpawnSettlerButton.esl=1
BanishSettlerButton.esl=1
SpawnUniqueSettlerButton.esl=1
SpawnUniqueMinutemenSettlerButton.esl=1
StandaloneWorkbenches.esl=1
Settlementobjectscombined.esl=1
Garage.esm=1
XnjguyFilledMods_AIO.esl=1
JP_GuardTowers.esl=1
EvilViking13_MinutemenMorale.esl=1

CWSS Redux.esp=1

CanarySaveFileMonitor.esl=1
TrueStormsFO4.esm=1
Darlene.esm=1
NoraSpouse.esm=1
GCM_DLC_Far_Harbor.esl=1
GCM_DLC_Automatron.esl=1

 

ESPs - Aesthetic Tweaks
Loot Detector.esl=1
CCOVulgarVillainsReplacer.esp=1
CCOCheekyCasualsReplacer.esp=1
CCOSaucySettlersReplacer.esp=1
CCOFoxyFactionsReplacer.esp=1
Phoenix Lab AAT.esp=1
Phoenix Lab GTB.esp=1
Phoenix Lab GAB.esp=1
Phoenix Lab LYL.esp=1
Phoenix Lab MSJ.esp=1
Phoenix Lab TAT.esp=1
Phoenix Lab TJJ.esp=1
Phoenix Lab TSM.esp=1
Phoenix Lab COM.esp=1
Phoenix Lab WSG.esp=1
Phoenix Lab TTO.esp=1
TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp=1
TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp=1
DarkerNights.esp=1
Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp=1
MiRF.esp=1
Clean Water - Clear.esp=1
FO4 Seasons - FirstFrost - AllDLC.esp=1
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp=1
The Eyes Of Beauty.esp=1
Glowing Eyes.esp=1
KSHairdos.esp=1
KSHairdos_oel.esp=1
KSHairsFemsheppingRadbeetle.esp=1
AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp=1
MiscHairstyle.esp=1
ANiceOakTree Hairs.esp=1
TBOS-AntoHairPAck.esp=1
BDO Hair.esp=1
ParagonHairs.esp=1
Colored Highlights CC.esp=1
Kat's New Hairstyles1.4.esp=1
Sims Holiday Hairdos - Fallout 4.esp=1
AarwynLFR.esp=1
Lots More Facial Hair.esp=1
Lots More Male Hairstyles.esp=1
HairVariations_YoungAtHeart.esp=1
HairVariations_FairyTails.esp=1
HairVariations_Elegant.esp=1
HairVariations_Sophisticate.esp=1
HairVariations_Conversions.esp=1
Sunshine.esp=1
MoreLongHair.esp=1
KSHairdosExtra.esp=1
Lots More Female Hairstyles.esp=1
SleekStylesPack.esp=1
Sun'sHepsyHair.esp=1
TBOS-HairPack.esp=1
Textured Hair.esp=1
ZellaHairDye.esp=1
WastelandFashionHair.esp=1
CBBE.esp=1
LooksMenu.esp=1
LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp=1
PowerArmorImpactEffects.esp=1

 

ESPs - Gameplay Tweaks
CreationClubDelay.esp=1
OutfitSwitcher.esp=1
GCM.esp=1
ESPExplorerFO4.esp=1
Configurable Artillery.esp=1
TransferSettlements.esp=1
CapsWidget.esp=1
RecycleBottles.esp=1
HighlightConsoleReference.esp=1
SleeplessNights.esp=1
QuickHarvest.esp=1
Flashy_StealthyTakedowns.esp=1
SKKCombatStalkers.esp=1
SKKSettlementAttackSystem.esp=1
SKKSettlementAttackSystemMarkers.esp=1
SKKMobileWorkshop.esp=1
SKKMoveWorkshopMarkers.esp=1
CROSS_GoreCrits.esp=1
FillBottleAnyDifficulty.esp=1
BossChestsHaveLegendaries.esp=1
Salvage Rewards with Boss Chests Contain Legendaries.esp=1
MODGirlyAnimation.esp=1
MODMoreGirlyAnimation.esp=1

 

ESPs - Settlement Building
WorkshopRearranged.esp=1
cvc dead wasteland.esp=1
cVc Dead Wasteland 6.esp=1
cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC.esp=1
cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC2.esp=1
cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC3.esp=1
Distillery.esp=1
WDP-PC.esp=1
Iroha Neon.esp=1
EvilViking13_WastelandWalls.esp=1
Iron_FusionCoreCombiner.esp=1
Sandbag Fortifications - Version 2C.esp=1
ScrappySigns.esp=1
modelcitizen.esp=1
damagemeasuringtarget.esp=1
Cerruti-M4k4rov US Vehicles Pack.esp=1
GKX Apple Tree.esp=1
Pack2 - Poster - BetterBeds.esp=1
ASmallAdditionStandaloneTurrets.esp=1
MTM-ConstructionLights.esp=1
More_Vehicles01.esp=1
VltElevator01.esp=1
VltElevator04.esp=1
InsElevator.esp=1
LeatherChair.esp=1
Scifi Crate.esp=1
BAM-BetterArmoryMod.esp=1
NotJustBasements.esp=1
SettlementMenuManager.esp=1
SalvageBeacons.esp=1
unclechubby.esp=1
155mm Howitzer M1.esp=1
g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp=1
BasementLiving.esp=1
STL_VirtualArena.esp=1
commondefense.esp=1
RRTV_MyFirstInfirmary.esp=1
ArmoryRifleAndHandgunRacks.esp=1
AWARHERO Japanese Decor Pack.esp=1
chopthatmeat.esp=1
evan_modular kitchen.esp=1
creativeclutter.esp=1
dinoshelf.esp=1
BuildableBurningCampfires.esp=1
CleanSettlement Homemaker Greenhouses.esp=1
CleanSettlement.esp=1
Passthrough.esp=1
Clean Wasteland Workshop.esp=1
Eli_Crafting Shiz 9000.esp=1
Eli_Display Shelves.esp=1
DecentElevators.esp=1
dinomore.esp=1
DOOMSettlementStuff.esp=1
HexHomes.esp=1
bikesigns.esp=1
MySettlementDiner.esp=1
GreeblesAndDecorations.esp=1
MasterworkArchitectureProject.esp=1
Siles - ModernMagazineShelf - transparent.esp=1
Solar Street Lamps.esp=1
RegsPrefabs.esp=1
rbi_pack.esp=1
1Dr_YWS_Flags.esp=1
LightboxPower.esp=1
AkaPoweredNeonLetters.esp=1
ProjectorTerminal.esp=1
BrightLightsBigCity.esp=1
TurretStands.esp=1
RequestTimeAWARHERO.esp=1
IMP.esp=1
Thematic and Practical.esp=1
CustomConcrete.esp=1
SkyscraperPack.esp=1
Rebsy's Greebles 1.5 SKE PC - Boat Release.esp=1
HZS NavMesh Fixer.esp=1
AES_Bookcases.esp=1
RealTroughs.esp=1
BorderJunk.esp=1
OWR_CraftableDecor.esp=1
OWR_CraftableDecor_CW.esp=1
Crimsomrider's Unique Furniture.esp=1
cartman1975_warehouse.esp=1
SettleObjExpandPack.esp=1
Colored Workshop Lights.esp=1
HZS Office and Stores.esp=1
CabinInTheWoods.esp=1
CastleInTheSky.esp=1
BobIguanaDiner.esp=1
HeroicPie Props.esp=1
Boats.esp=1
AkaInvisibleFurniture.esp=1
742MoreInvisibleFurniture.esp=1
Invisible_Guard_Marker.esp=1
JustDebris.esp=1
PluckyLittleTrailer.esp=1
AES_Renovated Furniture.esp=1
FissionBattery.esp=1
Weapon Rack Extended.esp=1
functionalobjects_vanilla_SMM.esp=1
Ground_Vanilla.esp=1
MiamiEnclave.esp=1
FVCO.esp=1
AkaSinger.esp=1
neonflatsworkshop.esp=1
GruffyddsSignsAndPosters.esp=1
Business Settlements.esp=1
Business Settlements Categorized.esp=1
Settlement_Markers.esp=1
ZebrinasShackDoorExpansion.esp=1
AS_CraftableInstituteStations.esp=1
Housekeeping.esp=1
Northland Diggers New.esp=1
MTM-SynthArmorRack.esp=1
VendorVariety.esp=1
BusySettlers.esp=1
DD_AIO Test Mark 1.esp=1
betterstores.esp=1
bs-farharborexpansion.esp=1
Eli_Immersive Coffee Mod 9000 GTX French Roast.esp=1
SettlementPrivacy.esp=1
SR_Settlement_Signs.esp=1
More Scavenging Stations.esp=1
workingsettlers.esp=1
HZS Easy Homebuilder and Working Double Beds.esp=1
CompactCrafting.esp=1
RustWoodCrate.esp=1
NukaFridge_Test1.esp=1
Snappy_HouseK.esp=1
Snappy_DLC03.esp=1
SolarPower.esp=1
LooksMirror.esp=1
Kamuro Neon.esp=1
Army Objects.esp=1
Special Shelves.esp=1
KURO.esp=1
KURO_SUBCITY.esp=1
HamedConcreteRetextures.esp=1
VzenVendingMachine.esp=1
Workshop Terminals.esp=1
ModularComputerConsoleKit.esp=1
Highwayman.esp=1
TheHighwaymanStaticWorkshop.esp=1
EnclaveFactionItems.esp=1

 

ESPs - Settlement Tweaks
Corrunda's Drumlin Diner.esp=1
IncreasedSettlerPopulation100.esp=1
A Sensible Prydwen Overhaul.esp=1

 

ESPs - Craftable Items
WattzLaserGun.esp=1
EG7.esp=1
CROSS_PlasRail.esp=1
RU556.esp=1
RU556_RUTex.esp=1
NV4.esp=1
M1Garand.esp=1
PortableCloningDevice.esp=1
GKX Spawn Grenade.esp=1
Simple Salvageable Power Armor Frames.esp=1
HoloTime.esp=1
AQUILA.esp=1
Factor.esp=1
RemoteExplosives.esp=1
K9TacticalHarness.esp=1
Campsite.esp=1
MedKit.esp=1
Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp=1
XM2010_SniperRifle_by_tooun.esp=1
DOOMMerged.esp=1
NaiSynthProstheticArm.esp=1
CommonwealthSurvivalist.esp=1
FM_Badlands_Mashups.esp=1
BikerGal.esp=1
AsharaFO4Steampunk.esp=1
saya_gasmask.esp=1
WastelandGirlArmor.esp=1
Wasteland Ranger Outfit.esp=1
FM_Irradiated_Raiments.esp=1
Rylee's Wasteland Tycoon.esp=1
Tactical Combat Swimwear.esp=1
CourierDuster.esp=1
CourierCaravan.esp=1
Evil Detective Outfit.esp=1
ARESAppleseed.esp=1
Nexus_PMC.esp=1
PMC_extended.esp=1
PMC_extended_lore.esp=1
Gunner_Operator.esp=1
JC-Shirt and Jeans.esp=1
Friffy_Piper Outfit_Standalone.esp=1
RileyKhealeOperator.esp=1
Survivalist.esp=1
AWPWandererCoat.esp=1
Femsheppings Autumn Fashion.esp=1
FemsheppingsLightBrawlerOutfits.esp=1
Femshepping_wanderercollection.esp=1
Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp=1
Eli_Sleeveless Outfits.esp=1
Eli_Gunslinger.esp=1
Eli_Apocalypse Attire.esp=1
CROSS_Blades.esp=1
CROSS_2077.esp=1
CROSS_BrotherhoodRecon.esp=1
CROSS_Jetpack.esp=1
CROSS_Uni_Headset.esp=1
CROSS_Uni_Headset_LeveledLists.esp=1
CROSS_CoA.esp=1
CROSS_InstituteExpeditionarySuit.esp=1
CROSS_CourserStrigidae.esp=1
CROSS_Techmask.esp=1
Dank_CrossArmorIntegration.esp=1
DX Commonwealth Mini Dresses.esp=1
DX Vault Girl Shorts.esp=1
DX Commonwealth Shorts.esp=1
zWGirlClothSimply.esp=1
DanLi_VaultExplorer.esp=1
TTOutfit.esp=1
TroubleMakerReloaded.esp=1
YM_MinutemenVariations.esp=1
TDBooneOutfit.esp=1
DogmeatHelmetsAndHats.esp=1
Military Outfit Pack.esp=1
CF_AtomicWarlord.esp=1
AtomsGloryThreads.esp=1
CF_AtomicWarlord_CBBE.esp=1
AtomsGloryThreadsPatch_CoAOverhaul.esp=1
The Wandering Scavver CBBE-EVB.esp=1
DX_Cyberpunk_Visor.esp=1
GR005-Scavs.esp=1
Mercenary.esp=1
MercenaryCBBEPatch_NoAE.esp=1
Galac-TactREDUX.esp=1
GreaseRatGarbs.esp=1
GreaseRatGarbs_RaiderPatch.esp=1
GreaseRatGarbs_SettlerPatch.esp=1

ESPs - Quests and Locations
RRTV_CourierStations.esp=1
RRTV_ScavBunker_Home.esp=1
RRTV_BoxcarHome.esp=1
RRTV_GoodneighborCondo.esp=1
RRTV_AtomCats_Home.esp=1
RRTV_BunkerZulu.esp=1
NaiGlowingSeaShelter.esp=1
Cyber-Light Apartments.esp=1
OverpassTrailer.esp=1
ECV_Remnants.esp=1
WilkesEstate.esp=1
LimaOutpost.esp=1
AA 50 Ways To Die.esp=1
AtlasSummit.esp=1
XG_CabotHouse_Enhanced_Quests.esp=1
DCGuard_Overhaul.esp=1
AGNISNikaCola01.esp=1
fathercompanion.esp=1
GoodneighborExpanded.esp=1
OutcastsAndRemnants.esp=1
ProjectValkyrie.esp=1
AA FusionCityRising.esp=1
Depravity.esp=1
DiaryOfAMadman.esp=1

 

ESPs - Item Sorting, Crafting, and Menus
VIS-G Item Sorting.esp=1
GR001-AutomatronRebooted.esp=1
Workless Shop.esp=1
Crimsomrider's Unique Furniture SMM Override by X13.esp=1
FALLOUT4WT.esp=1
VIS-G Legendary Modifications.esp=1

 

ESPs - NPCs
DarleneDLC.esp=1
Gemma.esp=1
AA LMSE - Vanguard Merge.esp=1
W.A.T.Minutemen.esp=1
KSHairSettlers LMC.esp=1
FO4 NPCs Travel.esp=1
06 Follower.esp=1
ProjectSynth.esp=1
ellen.esp=1
DWT_DocWeathers_and_Guards.esp=1
DWT_TrashcanCarla_and_Guards.esp=1
Companion_BloodRose.esp=1
llamaCompanionHeather.esp=1
VermillionFrost.esp=1
EFF.esp=1
ImmersiveVendors.esp=1
AA Better Companions - No Conflicts.esp=1
CompanionStatus.esp=1
D.E.C.A.Y.esp=1
IcebreakerCDO-Settlements.esp=1
PiperCaitCurieDialogueOverhaul.esp=1
Deeper Thoughts - Expressive Curie.esp=1
CombatZoneRestored.esp=1
NoraSpouseFarHarbor.esp=1

 

ESPs - Patches Loading Last
UltraInteriorLighting.esp=1
Universal Working Bathroom Fixtures (CWSS and DLCs).esp=1
UIL before UWBF(CWSS and DLCs) Compatibility Patch.esp=1

[LucidLady]

*sigh* You really shouldn't use the UFO4Patch in large load orders. It has been giving ALOT of people alot of problems lately.

I would suggest for you to stop using the UFO4Patch first and foremost from now on. Do not try to disable it mid-playthrough, though.

 

Is this glitch something that you can trigger reliably? Like, does it always happen after you Die? Or - do you tend to try opening the Pause menu while the game is in the middle of an Autosave? You have to wait for the Autosave text to go away before opening the Pause Menu, or it will give you problems. If you think that you might accidentally be doing this - turn off all Autosaving.

You can also try disabling Cloud Saving, if you currently have it enabled.

 

You've done much better than most at keeping your mods organized, however. But it still looks a bit haphazard.

Have you tried disabling the mods in chunks of 1o at a time? This is difficult if you can't reliably trigger the glitch.

[Vanguardascendant]

I'll start looking into your suggestions.

 

I can try disabling UFOP just as a test. I'm only about five minutes into a new play through so I don't mind completely restarting. I wasn't aware that UFOP was going people problems. Historically it's worked fine for me, but now that I think about it, they did release a new version somewhat recently.

 

So far, I haven't been able to force-trigger the glitch, but I can try some of your ideas to see if that does it. I can definitely turn off auto-saving because I'm a quicksave-junkie, so no problems there.

 

Don't know if I'm cloud saving. I believe I just save to my PC, but I'll confirm that.

 

If all else fails, I'll go with your last suggestion. The only reason I haven't tried that yet is because the bug has been so haphazard that I don't know how long I'll have to go to see if that "chunk" is the the source of the problem.

 

Just curious, how would you reorganize the mods (since you mentioned they are still haphazard)?

 

Thanks so much for your feedback too.

[LucidLady]

Are you saying you're getting this glitch only 5 minutes into a new playthrough?

Yes, I think something must have gotten messed up with the most recent release of UFO4Patch. Either on Bethesda's end, or the Patch's end. Maybe something small changed under the hood and the Patch didn't notice? Who knows. All I do know is that it's breaking alot of games lately. Many people have the same sentiments as you - the Patch worked fine for them for ages up until now. Even in large load orders.

 

Nevermind reorganizing your load order at the moment. It really is fine, i'm just... a lil OCD.

I think we can assume that this glitch is not being caused by any Armor, Weapon, or basic Buildmode mods. So if you do start trying to disable in chunks - skip over those types of mods.

[Vanguardascendant]

Will do.

 

Yes, about 5 minutes into a new game. Shortly, but not immediately, after leaving Vault 111. I don't think it's location-triggered (I could be wrong though), because it's happened in both Sanctuary and Abernathy. But I was able to save right up until that point.

[StahlhelmTV]

Will do.

 

Yes, about 5 minutes into a new game. Shortly, but not immediately, after leaving Vault 111. I don't think it's location-triggered (I could be wrong though), because it's happened in both Sanctuary and Abernathy. But I was able to save right up until that point.

Did you have any luck regarding your issue? Im facing from what it seems the same issue. Are you using NMM, Vortex or MO2?

[Vanguardascendant]

Are you saying you're getting this glitch only 5 minutes into a new playthrough?

Yes, I think something must have gotten messed up with the most recent release of UFO4Patch. Either on Bethesda's end, or the Patch's end. Maybe something small changed under the hood and the Patch didn't notice? Who knows. All I do know is that it's breaking alot of games lately. Many people have the same sentiments as you - the Patch worked fine for them for ages up until now. Even in large load orders.

 

Nevermind reorganizing your load order at the moment. It really is fine, i'm just... a lil OCD.

I think we can assume that this glitch is not being caused by any Armor, Weapon, or basic Buildmode mods. So if you do start trying to disable in chunks - skip over those types of mods.

 

I'm working through these items. Just curious, do you know where one can get the previous version of the UFOP patch?

[StahlhelmTV]

Found the issue, HudCaps breaks the save function. You got it too if i saw right.