crash when attempting to trade with merchant

[lichy123]

fairly new bug but i don't recall any new mods that i added, only updating current mods :\ here is my mod list and order, hope this will help :S sorry if its too small, i can't get it any bigger :( also, if you have any suggestions to fix my load order in anyway that would be nice :P

 

edit: another crash, this time trying to loot a specific body. now that i think about it there was a similar thing only with a chest once. maybe a certain item that crashes the game?

 

 

http://oi47.tinypic.com/2hfj2b5.jpg

 

Edited February 15, 2013 by lichy123

[ripple]

Copy/paste your BOSS log instead (with the messages). Include the list of plugins not recognized by BOSS if one is generated. Enclose them in spoiler tags so they don't clutter the screen.

[lichy123]

but i don't use boss.. thought it was outdated as hell

 

edit: i put the image on spoiler tag

Edited February 15, 2013 by lichy123

[ripple]

No, BOSS is not 'outdated.' That image doesn't help. Need to see your BOSS log.

[lichy123]

well then, where can i find the latest version? because last time i used boss it gave me an error and messed up my load order beyond recognition :(

[ripple]

It doesn't matter which 'version' of BOSS you download (the one hosted by the Nexus will do). When you install it and the first time you run it, it will update to the latest version of the utility and attempt to download the latest masterlist. Yes, it will rearrange your load order using the masterlist (which is based on community input from users and modders). It's not intended to magically solve problems but provides a good load order template to work with for those using large load orders. Unless you have used TES5Edit to scrutinize the records of every single plugin in your load order to check for conflicts, the BOSS load order will be less prone to causing issues. More importantly, the log will give us important information about the state and condition of the plugins you are using.

[lichy123]

well, i suppose i can just save the current load order b4 i attempt to use BOSS just incase , give me 5 min ill provide a log

 

edit: the one on the nexus has been removed, guessing it rlly was outdated o.O

edit2: so i downloaded it from the beth forum. 5 min and ill provide ze logs ;)

Edited February 15, 2013 by lichy123

[lichy123]

ok here is the list:

 

recognized plugins:

 

 

• Skyrim.esm Active
• Update.esm Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 73 ITM, 1 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• Dawnguard.esm Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 607 ITM, 82 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• HearthFires.esm Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 171 ITM, 11 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• Dragonborn.esm Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 57 ITM, 8 UDR records with 3.0.28. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• ApachiiHair.esm Active
• ClimatesOfTamriel.esm Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 4 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• JSwords.esm Active
  • Warning: Original file was released before the CK (07 Feb. 2012) a compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained here. (Compatibility Patch)
• Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm Active
• LorecraftESM.esm Active
• moonpath.esm Active
• Omegared99-Compilation.esm Active
• SPIKE.esm Active
• TERAArmors.esm Active
• HighResTexturePack03.esp
• Brawl Bugs CE.esp Active
• Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active
• Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Active
• Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active
• MintyLightningMod.esp Active
• MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp Active
• StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active
• 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_HighRes.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• Prometheus_BeastSkeletons.esp Active
• Birdsofskyrim.esp Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 31 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• Chesko_WearableLantern.esp Active
• DungeonQuestAwareness.esp Active
• Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Default.esp Active
  • Note: Use only one Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One esp.
• Lorecraft - Vanilla.esp Active
• Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Active
• Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp Active
• DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp Active
  • Note: Make sure you have not switched DoF off in your ini file. If you don't see any effect, open you Skyrimprefs.ini and look for 'bDoDepthOfField'. Make sure it is set to 1.
• Footprints.esp Active
• WetandCold.esp Active
• SkyUI.esp Active
• Black Overlord Armor Set.esp Active
• Cloaks.esp Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 4 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• 1nivWICCloaks.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
  • Incompatible with: Cloaks of skyrim, get the compatibility patch in the WIC optional files.
• 1nivWICCloaksLorecraft.esp Active
• DK_Armor_By_Hothtrooper44.esp Active
• EliteKnightArmor.esp Active
• Evil MasterMind Armor.esp Active
• Hell Sword.esp Active
• hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp Active
• Knight Of Thorns Armor.esp Active
• Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp Active
• Standard-15Percent.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
  • Note: Use only one optional leveled list. (High, Medium, Standard or Uber)
• Ritual Armor of Boethiah.esp Active
• SeraticHeavyArmorGray.esp Active
• SilverDragonArmor.esp Active
• TERAArmors.esp Active
  • Requires: DIMONIZED UNP female body
• TERAArmors - Leveled Lists.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
  • Contains dirty edits: 17 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• TERA Weapons.esp Active
• XAC.esp Active
• Dr_Bandolier.esp Active
• Dr_BandolierDG.esp Active
• Requiem.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
  • Note: Requiem makes a LOT of changes. You may want to consider creating and using a Userlist based on your particular mod loadout.
• Requiem - CarryWeightIncreaseByStamina5.esp
• Requiem - GoldHasNoWeight.esp
• DeadlyDragons.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• ERSO 03 - Mighty Dragons Unleveled.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
  • Note: Use the compatibility patch for deadly dragons.
• ERSO 03.2 patch - DeadlyD DDiversified Dawnguard Unleveled.esp Active
  • Warning: ERSO 03.2 plugins are no longer recommended or supported by the mod author.
• DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp Active
• ERSO 04 - Mighty Odahviing.esp Active
• ERSO 04.2 - Mighty Durnehviir.esp Active
• ERSO 05 - Dovah Holy Book.esp Active
• ERSO 06 - Wait More Time Dragon Encounter x2.5.esp Active
• ERSO 07 - Mighty Dragon Priests.esp Active
• Guardian Plate Armor.esp Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 4 ITM, 1 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• moonpath_questdata.esp Active
• Distant DetailHF.esp Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 328 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active
• Headtracking.esp Active
• Immersive Weapons.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}
• SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp Active
  • Note: Uninstall old version of Skyrim Flora Overhaul if using SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp
• dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active
• dD-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp Active
• EnhancedLightsandFX.esp Active
• RLO - Dungeons for ELnFX.esp Active
• RLO - Illuminated Spells for ELnFX.esp Active
• RLO - Major City Interiors for ELnFX.esp Active
• RLO - Minor Cities & Town Interiors for ELnFX.esp Active
• Realistic Lighting Overhaul - 3.5 Weathers.esp
• Realistic Lighting Overhaul - 3.5 Dawnguard Weathers.esp
• ClimatesOfTamriel-VanillaNights-Lvl-2.esp Active
• ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp Active
• ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
  • Incompatible with: Realistic Lighting Overhaul
• dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp Active
  • Note: Ragdolls will conflict with other mods that change the skeleton.nif. Check Custom Skeleton Replacers for compatibly with other skeleton.nif.
• Better Vampires.esp Active
• Predator Vision.esp Active
• ACE Realistic Fighting.esp Active
• The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp Active
• 3DNPC.esp Active
• EMCompViljaSkyrim.esp Active
• ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp Active
• WATER.esp Active
• WATER DB Waves.esp Active
• Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active

 

 

 

 

unrecognized plugins:

 

 

• Fantasy Music Overhaul.esm Active
• Toad's Tera.esp Active
• Medusa and Drakul Armors.esp Active
• FMO - Non-Replacer Version.esp Active
• Dead Body Collision.esp Active
• TERA Weapons.esm Active
• Footprints - Ash.esp Active
• UrukHaiArmor.esp Active
• dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp Active
• Requiem - Potions Weight.esp Active

 

 

[ripple]

1) Cleaning: download TES5Edit from that link, follow the instructions on the page if needed, and clean the plugins flagged by BOSS as containing 'dirty edits.' Basically, you need to 1) apply filter for cleaning, 2) remove identical to master entries, 3) undelete/disable deleted references (this is more important, CTD prevention-wise).

 

2) Maintenance: go through the log yourself and attend to any error messages. For example:

 

 

• JSwords.esm Active
  • Warning: Original file was released before the CK (07 Feb. 2012)
    a compatibility patch fixed and cleaned with TES5Edit can be obtained
    here. (Compatibility Patch)

This means the plugin contain error records (which can cause CTDs), because it was made using a pre-CK tool like TEVSnip. Make sure you download the updated fix patch for it. Go through the log to check in case I missed any other error messages that you need to attend to.

 

3) Unrecognized plugins. Everytime you run BOSS, the plugins it does not recognize go to the bottom of the load order. Absolutely do not allow them to load there, after your compatibility patches (e.g. the Bashed Patch). You'll need to determine where they should load, but the only reliable way to do this is to check out the plugins in TES5Edit, see if they contain conflicting records with any other plugins in your load order, then determine who you think should 'win.' If they contain no conflicting records (something like TERA armour probably doesn't, unless it is editing the leveled lists to distribute the armour to NPCs), then they can load any where above your compatibility patch. This is an important step that should not be skipped. If the unrecognized plugins are overriding important edits made by the other mods in your load order, it can generate various problems. Also, you should clean them as well, because if they contain error records or 'dirty entries', the BOSS log will not notify you of it since BOSS does not recognize these plugins.

 

After you have determined where the unrecognized plugins should load, you can use something like the 'BOSS Userlist Manager' to set custom rules for them, so their load order position will not be reset every time you run BOSS (which you should do every time you install a new mod that comes with a plugin). They will also no longer appear in the BOSS log as 'unrecognized plugins' (which is why you need to be -sure- they should be loading where they are loading, since there will be no more warnings from BOSS).

 

None of this is guaranteed to resolve your immediate CTD issue, but they are essential to maintaining a clean load order and the long term stability of your game.

Edited February 15, 2013 by ripple

[lichy123]

there is a warning on the compability mod, tho, saying that i should use the old mod until i make a new character or it will crash my game, unless i understood it wrong.