CTD on startup after using BOSS

[Jellicent]

I thought that it would be a neat idea to check what BOSS would suggest my load order to be but unfortunately I didn't check "test run" ... So now my load order was actually changed, I didn't make a backup and it's crashing. I don't even reach the main menu. The window pops up (as it would normally), I see the Skyrim logo and that's it. No menus. CTD.

 

I would love to attach a papyrus log, but they are empty, though I have logging enabled. So I'll just post my load order.

 

 

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As you can see, some mods require cleaning. I haven't done this yet, because I have to check how it works.

 

I hope somebody can help me out or give me any ideas.

 

Thanks for reading in advance!

 

 

EDIT: I have fixed it now! I used TES5Edit to determine which file was causing an error, checked what it was and removed it. It was a patch for an .esm I didn't own, which I probably extracted with an ENB preset, haha. Anyway, it's fixed now. Can only suggest to use TES5Edit to everybody with sudden/weird CTDs.

Edited February 19, 2013 by Jellicent

[Demonik420]

CTD on startup is almost always a load order conflict, or slight chance it could be a missing esm/bsa however very unlikely. unfortunately boss is only just "ok" at sorting your load order ... you will have to tweek it further... in fact its too bad you already used it because if you know what your mods are and know what you are doing then it is FAR more effective to sort your own load order.. I dont use BOSS because of this exact reason.. its great in theory but not so much in practice. AND trust me its possible to do it yourself I have 251 modsw and I never use boss I always sort and keep track of things all by myself..

 

also do you use wrye bash to merge leveled lists? because if you have recently deleted or deactivated a mod that your bashedpatch.esp is dependent on that will case crash on start up.

 

other than that my friend im afraid I cant fix your load order by reading it because I don't have the same load order.. you could try moving COT up to the top.. Im sorry I cant be more help

 

EDIT- the only other thing i see is this..

 

URN+RLO Patch.esp Active Checksum: B9EAA896

URN+RCRN Patch.esp Active Checksum: DE14D225

 

are these plugins activated??? because I don't see RLO or RCRN on your list and those files wont work without RLO and RCRN i wouldn't imagine as they are compatibility patches for them and even if they dont require them as a master they still might be causing a crash

Edited February 19, 2013 by Demonik420

[Jellicent]

CTD on startup is almost always a load order conflict, or slight chance it could be a missing esm/bsa however very unlikely. unfortunately boss is only just "ok" at sorting your load order ... you will have to tweek it further... in fact its too bad you already used it because if you know what your mods are and know what you are doing then it is FAR more effective to sort your own load order.. I dont use BOSS because of this exact reason.. its great in theory but not so much in practice. AND trust me its possible to do it yourself I have 251 modsw and I never use boss I always sort and keep track of things all by myself..

 

also do you use wrye bash to merge leveled lists? because if you have recently deleted or deactivated a mod that your bashedpatch.esp is dependent on that will case crash on start up.

 

other than that my friend im afraid I cant fix your load order by reading it because I don't have the same load order.. you could try moving COT up to the top.. Im sorry I cant be more help

 

EDIT- the only other thing i see is this..

 

URN+RLO Patch.esp Active Checksum: B9EAA896

 

URN+RCRN Patch.esp Active Checksum: DE14D225

 

are these plugins activated??? because I don't see RLO or RCRN on your list and those files wont work without RLO and RCRN i wouldn't imagine as they are compatibility patches for them and even if they dont require them as a master they still might be causing a crash

Lol, thanks buddy! I just figured out the same thing! It's pretty weird, because I didn't have errors with it before... That made me not check them. Until TES5Edit.

 

By the way, I don't use Wyre Bash because the last time I tried using it I failed horribly. I didn't understand a thing and it seems like I can live without it. At least for now and the last time.

Edited February 19, 2013 by Jellicent

[Demonik420]

 

CTD on startup is almost always a load order conflict, or slight chance it could be a missing esm/bsa however very unlikely. unfortunately boss is only just "ok" at sorting your load order ... you will have to tweek it further... in fact its too bad you already used it because if you know what your mods are and know what you are doing then it is FAR more effective to sort your own load order.. I dont use BOSS because of this exact reason.. its great in theory but not so much in practice. AND trust me its possible to do it yourself I have 251 modsw and I never use boss I always sort and keep track of things all by myself..

 

also do you use wrye bash to merge leveled lists? because if you have recently deleted or deactivated a mod that your bashedpatch.esp is dependent on that will case crash on start up.

 

other than that my friend im afraid I cant fix your load order by reading it because I don't have the same load order.. you could try moving COT up to the top.. Im sorry I cant be more help

 

EDIT- the only other thing i see is this..

 

URN+RLO Patch.esp Active Checksum: B9EAA896

 

URN+RCRN Patch.esp Active Checksum: DE14D225

 

are these plugins activated??? because I don't see RLO or RCRN on your list and those files wont work without RLO and RCRN i wouldn't imagine as they are compatibility patches for them and even if they dont require them as a master they still might be causing a crash

Lol, thanks buddy! I just figured out the same thing! It's pretty weird, because I didn't have errors with it before... That made me not check them. Until TES5Edit.

 

By the way, I don't use Wyre Bash because the last time I tried using it I failed horribly. I didn't understand a thing and it seems like I can live without it. At least for now and the last time.

ya basically all that wrye bash does is take mods that add items or change items in the leveled lists and makes them work together.. because lets say you have an armor mod that adds some new armors for bandits to wear and for you to find in chests but then you get another mod that adds some more armors of its own for you to find. WELL then which ever of those two mods you put nearer to the bottom of the load order is the only one that will actually add its items.. but if you use wrye bash and makes a bashedpatch.esp it will merge the leveled lists and allow both mods to add their items to the game at the same time :biggrin:

 

the program can do many other things too but that is MAINLY what it is used for. It can also merge mods so you can fit more ESP's into your game because there is a limit of 255 ESPs.. So it takes any mods that it can merge the two ESPs together and adds them to its Bashedpatch.esp so that you can deactivate the original esps.. its an amazingly awesome progream and I personally couldn't play without it because half of my mods wouldnt work together but it depends what mods you have :smile:

 

also did deactivating those two actually fix the problem?!? :D:D:D

Edited February 19, 2013 by Demonik420

[Jellicent]

 

 

CTD on startup is almost always a load order conflict, or slight chance it could be a missing esm/bsa however very unlikely. unfortunately boss is only just "ok" at sorting your load order ... you will have to tweek it further... in fact its too bad you already used it because if you know what your mods are and know what you are doing then it is FAR more effective to sort your own load order.. I dont use BOSS because of this exact reason.. its great in theory but not so much in practice. AND trust me its possible to do it yourself I have 251 modsw and I never use boss I always sort and keep track of things all by myself..

 

also do you use wrye bash to merge leveled lists? because if you have recently deleted or deactivated a mod that your bashedpatch.esp is dependent on that will case crash on start up.

 

other than that my friend im afraid I cant fix your load order by reading it because I don't have the same load order.. you could try moving COT up to the top.. Im sorry I cant be more help

 

EDIT- the only other thing i see is this..

 

URN+RLO Patch.esp Active Checksum: B9EAA896

 

URN+RCRN Patch.esp Active Checksum: DE14D225

 

are these plugins activated??? because I don't see RLO or RCRN on your list and those files wont work without RLO and RCRN i wouldn't imagine as they are compatibility patches for them and even if they dont require them as a master they still might be causing a crash

Lol, thanks buddy! I just figured out the same thing! It's pretty weird, because I didn't have errors with it before... That made me not check them. Until TES5Edit.

 

By the way, I don't use Wyre Bash because the last time I tried using it I failed horribly. I didn't understand a thing and it seems like I can live without it. At least for now and the last time.

ya basically all that wrye bash does is take mods that add items or change items in the leveled lists and makes them work together.. because lets say you have an armor mod that adds some new armors for bandits to wear and for you to find in chests but then you get another mod that adds some more armors of its own for you to find. WELL then which ever of those two mods you put nearer to the bottom of the load order is the only one that will actually add its items.. but if you use wrye bash and makes a bashedpatch.esp it will merge the leveled lists and allow both mods to add their items to the game at the same time :biggrin:

 

the program can do many other things too but that is MAINLY what it is used for. It can also merge mods so you can fit more ESP's into your game because there is a limit of 255 ESPs.. So it takes any mods that it can merge the two ESPs together and adds them to its Bashedpatch.esp so that you can deactivate the original esps.. its an amazingly awesome progream and I personally couldn't play without it because half of my mods wouldnt work together but it depends what mods you have :smile:

 

also did deactivating those two actually fix the problem?!? :biggrin::D:D

Ahh, okay. Now I understand. But I guess I won't use it because I also don't use mods that would overwrite themselves, mainly because I don't use much armour replacements and if I do, it's only a retex. So there's no need. But I understand the variety it could bring.

Also merging mods seems a good thing if there's a huge use of mods. Cool thing.

 

And yes, removing them helped. It works like a charm now. And, on a side note, BOSS helped me with the load order in a good way. Didn't expect that.