Merged Patch, which ones can be safely merged?

[StormbringerGT]

I was wondering in general, which mods can be safely rolled up to lower the amount of .esps I have checked. I'm pushing 132 now and I'm starting to get some crashes.

 

At 140 it has a heck ton of errors. Texture wont load landscape won't load sounds not firing etc. Anything more and it won't even start the game.

 

So what can be rolled up as a rule of thumb into my bashed patch, using Wyre Flash? I got some rolled up already, ones that it told me I could, lol but I'm not sure what I can and what I cannot.

 

Here is my load list if anyone want's to help me merge some up.

 

 

FalloutNV.esm

DeadMoney.esm

HonestHearts.esm

OldWorldBlues.esm

LonesomeRoad.esm

GunRunnersArsenal.esm

ClassicPack.esm

MercenaryPack.esm

TribalPack.esm

CaravanPack.esm

IWS-Core.esm

SomeguySeries.esm

Seachlight Airport NCR.esm

Advanced Recon Tech.esm

Lone Gunman's Tools of Trade.esm

Niner.esm

Caliber.esm

CaliberXhonesthearts.esm

CaliberXgunrunners.esm

CFWNV.esm

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm

Military NV Backpacks.esm

AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm

NVEC Complete + NVCE.esm

NVInteriors_Core.esm

NVInteriors_ComboEdition_AWOP.esm

NVInteriors_ComboEdition_AWOP_SLAP_NCR.esm

Project Nevada - Core.esm

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

Project Nevada - Extra Options.esm

SCAV.esm

Stalker Weapons Pack.esm

WMR.esm

WARZONES - Misanthropy Pure.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm

oHUD.esm

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

Selective Fire.esm

AWOP DLC + GRA Conflict Error Fixes.esp

AWOPCaliberXAmmoPatch.esp

Project Nevada - Rebalance Complete.esp

Project Nevada - Cyberware Additions.esp

NVEC+NVCE-Expansion-AWOP.esp

NVEC Complete NVCE NVInteriors Patch_AWOP.esp

NVEC+NVCE-Expansion-NVIntAWOP_SLAP.esp

NVEC+NVCE-Expansion-ElectroCity.esp

NVEC+NVCE-Expansion-ILO.esp

Permanent_Weapon_Shells_Light.esp

CASM.esp

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

The Weapon Mod Menu.esp

Alternative Start.esp

TheInheritance.esp

UHNV.esp

UHNV-Dead Money.esp

UHNV-Honest Hearts.esp

UHNV-OWB.esp

UHNV-Lonesome Road.esp

PMT - Slower Reloading.esp

Project Nevada - All DLC.esp

Selective Fire - Project Nevada.esp

PortableCampsite.esp

1nivVSLArmors.esp

1nivPNSLPatch.esp

Advanced Recon Gear.esp

Advanced Recon Tech.esp

AG Supplementary Uniques-AllInOne.esp

AG Supplementary Uniques-GRA.esp

NVEC+NVCE-Expansion-AGSupp.esp

FO3WeaponsRestoration.esp

ZB245 Gun Pack.esp

SWP40Pistols.esp

SWP40 Patch 01.esp

CFW-PN.esp

CFW-PN-DLC.esp

1 Broomhandle Weapons 1.4.esp

Couriers Blunder + Rifle.esp

Advanced Recon Armor.esp

Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp

Advanced Recon Gear - Project Nevada.esp

DragonskinTacticalOutfit.esp

DragonskinBonusPack.esp

DTO-ProjectNevada.esp

JoOsArmory.esp

MilitaryArmorPack.esp

Tac Vest Addon_NV.esp

FlashlightNVSE.esp

K2K9 Treasures of the wastes.esp

Tailor Maid - NV.esp

TGsArmorCollectionVegas.esp

w44Satchels - Full.esp

AWOPDeadMoney.esp

NVEC+NVCE-Expansion-AWOPDM.esp

AWOPCFWWeaponPatch.esp

Follower Home Marker.esp

NVWillow.esp

PickCompanionArmorandWeapons.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp

WeaponJamming.esp

WeaponModsExpanded.esp

WeaponModsExpanded_FO3WeaponsRestoration.esp

Project Nevada - WMX.esp

WMX-ModernWeapons.esp

WMX-DeadMoney.esp

WMX-HonestHearts.esp

WMX-OldWorldBlues.esp

WMX-LonesomeRoad.esp

WMX-GunRunnersArsenal.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackClassic.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackCaravan.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackTribal.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackMercenary.esp

WMR_Vanilla_R.esp

WMR_DeadMoney_R.esp

WMR_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp

WMR_HonestHearts_R.esp

WMR_LonesomeRoad_R.esp

WMR_OldWorldBlues_R.esp

WMR_WMX_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp

WMR_WMX_HonestHearts_R.esp

WMR_WMX_LonesomeRoad_R.esp

WMR_WMX_OldWorldBlues_R.esp

ProjectRealityMkIv5HDR.esp

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp

ILO - GS Shack.esp

ILO - NVInteriors Project - AWOP.esp

ILO - A World of Pain.esp

ILO - NVInteriors Project - AWOP - SLAP.esp

The New Bison Steve Hotel.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

These are already merged in the bash patch so they are unchecked

IWS-DM.esp

IWS-HH.esp

IWS-OWB.esp

IWS-LR.esp

CFW-DLC.esp

DTOBP-ProjectNevada.esp

Military NV Backpacks - No Straps

WMX-AWOP-Overhaul.esp

WMX-MW-GRA.esp

WMR-WMX_Vanilla_R.esp

ILO - Pipboy Light

[Xaranth]

I would feel personally safe merging these:

 

UHNV.esp

UHNV-Dead Money.esp

UHNV-Honest Hearts.esp

UHNV-OWB.esp

UHNV-Lonesome Road.esp

 

You can probably get away without any problem merging most of your individual armour/weapon plugins, the dragonskin, etc.

 

And depending on their masters these:

 

WMX-DeadMoney.esp

WMX-HonestHearts.esp

WMX-OldWorldBlues.esp

WMX-LonesomeRoad.esp

WMX-GunRunnersArsenal.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackClassic.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackCaravan.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackTribal.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackMercenary.esp

 

WMR_Vanilla_R.esp

WMR_DeadMoney_R.esp

WMR_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp

WMR_HonestHearts_R.esp

WMR_LonesomeRoad_R.esp

WMR_OldWorldBlues_R.esp

 

WMR_WMX_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp

WMR_WMX_HonestHearts_R.esp

WMR_WMX_LonesomeRoad_R.esp

WMR_WMX_OldWorldBlues_R.esp

 

Make a data folder backup first, though.

[StormbringerGT]

I would feel personally safe merging these:

 

UHNV.esp

UHNV-Dead Money.esp

UHNV-Honest Hearts.esp

UHNV-OWB.esp

UHNV-Lonesome Road.esp

 

You can probably get away without any problem merging most of your individual armour/weapon plugins, the dragonskin, etc.

 

And depending on their masters these:

 

WMX-DeadMoney.esp

WMX-HonestHearts.esp

WMX-OldWorldBlues.esp

WMX-LonesomeRoad.esp

WMX-GunRunnersArsenal.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackClassic.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackCaravan.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackTribal.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackMercenary.esp

 

WMR_Vanilla_R.esp

WMR_DeadMoney_R.esp

WMR_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp

WMR_HonestHearts_R.esp

WMR_LonesomeRoad_R.esp

WMR_OldWorldBlues_R.esp

 

WMR_WMX_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp

WMR_WMX_HonestHearts_R.esp

WMR_WMX_LonesomeRoad_R.esp

WMR_WMX_OldWorldBlues_R.esp

 

Make a data folder backup first, though.

 

Thanks for the tips! Will def try it out. Why would those be safe to merge though?

 

Will merging mods mess up load order possibly?

 

So that who part of the bashed patch have always been fuzzy to me.

 

Also I'm checking out the home in your sig link! Thanks!

 

EDIT I guess more specifically you said depending on their masters. What am I looking for?

 

Thanks a ton! Backing up my 18GB data folder now. :)

[Xaranth]

Example: If WMR_WMX_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp has as a master WMR_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp, it's not safe to merge the WMR_[DLC]_R group.

 

Edti: Merging probably won't mess up your general LO, but you're likely to suss up a save; if you're midgame you'll definitely want to unload all the mods you're merging and do a clean save first.

Edited February 25, 2013 by Xaranth

[StormbringerGT]

Example: If WMR_WMX_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp has as a master WMR_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp, it's not safe to merge the WMR_[DLC]_R group.

 

Edti: Merging probably won't mess up your general LO, but you're likely to suss up a save; if you're midgame you'll definitely want to unload all the mods you're merging and do a clean save first.

 

Thanks again. Time for some adventures in esp merging!

[StormbringerGT]

Welp.

 

I right clicked on UHNV and told it to mark mergeable and out popped this message:

 

 

Not Mergeable

• UHNV.esp:

Has BSA archive.

Unsupported types: CELL, DIAL, IMGS, MESG, NAVI, SCOL,
WRLD.

New record(s) in block(s): ACTI, ARMO, CLMT, CONT, CREA,
DOOR, EFSH, EXPL, EYES, FACT, FLST, FURN, GLOB, IMAD, KEYM, LIGH, MISC, MSTT,
MUSC, NOTE, NPC_, PACK, PWAT, QUST, RACE, RCPE, SCPT, SOUN, STAT, TACT, TERM,
VTYP, WATR, WEAP, WTHR.

Is a master of mod(s): UHNV-Dead Money.esp, UHNV-Honest
Hearts.esp, UHNV-Lonesome Road.esp, UHNV-OWB.esp.

 

Sadness...

[luthienanarion]

Merged and bashed patches do not combine plugins. Wrye Bash can merge entire plugins into its bashed patch if they only contain simple edits such as GMST records, and it will merge and de-activate those automatically when you build the patch.

If you're hitting the 140 mark, the answer is to get rid of some mods.

WeaponModsExpanded.esp
WeaponModsExpanded_FO3WeaponsRestoration.esp
Project Nevada - WMX.esp
WMX-ModernWeapons.esp
WMX-DeadMoney.esp
WMX-HonestHearts.esp
WMX-OldWorldBlues.esp
WMX-LonesomeRoad.esp
WMX-GunRunnersArsenal.esp
WMX-PreOrderPackClassic.esp
WMX-PreOrderPackCaravan.esp
WMX-PreOrderPackTribal.esp
WMX-PreOrderPackMercenary.esp
WMR_Vanilla_R.esp
WMR_DeadMoney_R.esp
WMR_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp
WMR_HonestHearts_R.esp
WMR_LonesomeRoad_R.esp
WMR_OldWorldBlues_R.esp
WMR_WMX_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp
WMR_WMX_HonestHearts_R.esp
WMR_WMX_LonesomeRoad_R.esp
WMR_WMX_OldWorldBlues_R.esp

This is ridiculous. 23 plugins just for extra weapon mods? That's the first place I would start pruning. Removing weapon-mod plugins from a save where the weapon mods have been attached to existing weapons will cause crashes in the inventory menu, however.

Since you're using a version of NVEC Complete, I'd go over the inclusion lists (here and here) and get rid of any mods that either are incorporated or have analogues that are.

Edited February 25, 2013 by luthienanarion

[StormbringerGT]

Merged and bashed patches do not combine plugins. Wrye Bash can merge entire plugins into its bashed patch if they only contain simple edits such as GMST records, and it will merge and de-activate those automatically when you build the patch.

 

If you're hitting the 140 mark, the answer is to get rid of some mods.

 

 

WeaponModsExpanded.esp

WeaponModsExpanded_FO3WeaponsRestoration.esp

Project Nevada - WMX.esp

WMX-ModernWeapons.esp

WMX-DeadMoney.esp

WMX-HonestHearts.esp

WMX-OldWorldBlues.esp

WMX-LonesomeRoad.esp

WMX-GunRunnersArsenal.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackClassic.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackCaravan.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackTribal.esp

WMX-PreOrderPackMercenary.esp

WMR_Vanilla_R.esp

WMR_DeadMoney_R.esp

WMR_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp

WMR_HonestHearts_R.esp

WMR_LonesomeRoad_R.esp

WMR_OldWorldBlues_R.esp

WMR_WMX_GunRunnersArsenal_R.esp

WMR_WMX_HonestHearts_R.esp

WMR_WMX_LonesomeRoad_R.esp

WMR_WMX_OldWorldBlues_R.esp

This is ridiculous. 23 plugins just for extra weapon mods? That's the first place I would start pruning. Removing weapon-mod plugins from a save where the weapon mods have been attached to existing weapons will cause crashes in the inventory menu, however.

 

Since you're using a version of NVEC Complete, I'd go over the inclusion lists (here and here) and get rid of any mods that either are incorporated or have analogues that are.

 

 

Yeah I got rid of Weapon Mod Recipes, which cleared up a lot of room. Thanks for the help! :)

[Gribbleshnibit8]

Some mods will also generate unexpected results when merged. For example, if a mod is using NVSEs IsModLoaded to do a specific thing when a certain mod is loaded, and you merge the mod it's looking for, then that feature will not work.

 

 

So it's not just masters you have to be worried about, though very few mods make use of IsModLoaded. And because it's done in the script, it won't break anything really, you just won't get something working that you think should work.

[StormbringerGT]

Some mods will also generate unexpected results when merged. For example, if a mod is using NVSEs IsModLoaded to do a specific thing when a certain mod is loaded, and you merge the mod it's looking for, then that feature will not work.

 

 

So it's not just masters you have to be worried about, though very few mods make use of IsModLoaded. And because it's done in the script, it won't break anything really, you just won't get something working that you think should work.

 

Thanks for helping to clear this up.

 

I know a ton more than I used to; at this point it seems like my only recourse is to just simply remove some mods. (So painful!)