Malchik Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 In the UK if you defend yourself with a gun against someone unarmed breaking into your property you get prosecuted as well as the intruder. It is a matter of debate at the moment but not long ago a man who did this spent some time in prison. Darnoc has rightly pointed out elsewhere that it is not simply the existence of guns that is the problem, it is a society's attitude to them. In the US it is not a healthy one IMO. I suspect it is not helped by a legal system that favours the rich to the point where (to an overseas observer dependent on what he reads in the press) justice seems dependent on who has more money than who was guilty. If the general populace doesn't trust its own legal system it is bound to encourage a 'do-it-yourself' approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow_Diet Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 If the general populace doesn't trust its own legal system it is bound to encourage a 'do-it-yourself' approach. :( Sad, but often true. Living in the deep south, you seem to see a lot of 'do-it-yourself'ers out there, as far as taking the law into your own hands and what-not. No, this isn't my biased opinion, it's true. My best friend's grandfather as nothing better to execpt wave his 12 Gauge at any one who thinks about coming onto his lot. :ph34r:The unfortunate thing about this debate is that BOTH sides have a very valid point(s). There really isn't a "black and white" decision in this one. On one side, we have no guns, but we would require lots of time and money to flush our culture and people of guns, and we'd still have problems with guns, but only from organized crime and the occasional rogue cop <_< On the other side, we have a vigilante 'do-it-yourself" attitude where some one is getting shot every 5 minutes or so. ((Wow, sounds like the middle east right now... I wish I could help stop all that unrest...))*re-reads his post* By the way, I'm not flaming any one or putting words in any ones' mouth, I'm just stating the extremes. I, for one, happen to lean more towards the "no gun" policy, but I'm sure if I'm ever held up at gun point, I'll certainly wish I had a revolver in my pocket, just to even the odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyjet3 Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 I, for one, happen to lean more towards the "no gun" policy, but I'm sure if I'm ever held up at gun point, I'll certainly wish I had a revolver in my pocket, just to even the odds. I agree that guns are a problem... but we still need to defend ourselves... People also fail to realize how much money is made for the government in selling guns... it's a lot. I think the main thing that will fix this is harsher test and longer waiting periods for guns... You have to remember that most crimes are committed with unregistered guns. The ones that get the guns legally shouldn't be punished for this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalSnafu Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 I agree that guns are a problem... but we still need to defend ourselves... If there are no guns...what would we have to defend against? Guns do more damage in home than they do to protect them (on a whole, I know there are people like UberBender who use guns properly). The only reason I'm not opposed to the 2nd amendment is so the people have the ability to overthrow the government should it become oppressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmid Posted July 29, 2004 Author Share Posted July 29, 2004 Exactly my point. Guns are relatively cheap, drugs are relatively expensive. Guns are legal, drugs are illegal. To touch on another debate, certainly soft drugs (for example, cannabis) should be legalised, as, with them, you can only f**k up yourself. With a gun, you can f**k up a lot of people.Um... no. Guns are quite expensive, more expensive than drugs at least. Guns are more expensive than drugs. Guns are also reusable, drugs aren't. And drugs can screw people up other than just you. What if a airline pilot did drugs? He would be stopped at the airport and not allowed on his plane, and possibly sacked, just as if he tried to fly whilst drunk. He would crash the plane and kill possibly hundreds of people. (not to mention the ones on the ground) Ditto if he flew drunk. They do have drug test to prevent this but it does happen. Same with guns. We have screenings to make sure criminals don't get guns but crap still happens. How do you know if someone's a criminal before he commits his first crime, or he's never caught? This is what I was asking... How do make it so no one is ever attacked? You can't... It is impossible... Granted, but that is basically what the various law enforcement organisations actually strive towards. If they did their job absolutely perfectly and managed to achieve all their ultimate goals, crime would be a thing of the past. Crime will always exist and nothing will ever change that. So as long as we have crime, we should have a way to defend ourselves... ...and the criminals have a better, more efficient way to commit their crimes. You have to remember that most crimes are committed with unregistered guns. The ones that get the guns legally shouldn't be punished for this... I don't really see it as a punishment. How is it a punishment to have a lethal weapon that has only one real function - to kill - taken off you? IMO, the only semi-valid argument for having guns is to defend against criminals with guns. No guns (registered or unregistered), no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UberBender Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 The whole problem with that is that they will get guns no matter what and if they have guns we need the guns too to defend ourselves from the people who got them illegaly. It is a nessecery(sp?) evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmid Posted July 29, 2004 Author Share Posted July 29, 2004 The whole problem with that is that they will get guns no matter what and if they have guns we need the guns too to defend ourselves from the people who got them illegaly. It is a nessecery(sp?) evil. But most illegal guns are legal guns obtained in an illegal manner (smuggled into the country, stolen from a gunshop, sold by a gunshop but without the necessary paperwork, whatever). Stop the flow of legal guns into the country, you massively reduce the flow of illegal guns, and also make it easier for the police to crack down on the illegal guns already in the country. If the source is starved, how are these criminals going to get guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalSnafu Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 If guns are outlawed, the cost of a gun and ammunition wouls skyrocket. If someone is going to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on a gun they probably won't waste their time robbing your house or murdering you. They'd leave you alone. You'd have nothing to protect yourself against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_it_ Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 If guns are outlawed, the cost of a gun and ammunition wouls skyrocket. If someone is going to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on a gun they probably won't waste their time robbing your house or murdering you. They'd leave you alone. You'd have nothing to protect yourself against. they should make the guns very cheap but the bullets unpayable like 5000$ per magazine :wacko: anyways guns arent dangerous the people who use them are dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_it_ Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 I agree that guns are a problem... but we still need to defend ourselves...If there are no guns...what would we have to defend against? Guns do more damage in home than they do to protect them (on a whole, I know there are people like UberBender who use guns properly). The only reason I'm not opposed to the 2nd amendment is so the people have the ability to overthrow the government should it become oppressive. if trained well you can waste many people just jusing ancient weapons or stuff that u find in the kitchen you should know how much damage 5 liters of bleech water would do to a small drinking supply or a simple bactreia if you do it correctly u can make antrhax in the fridge and the best part is that it is all explained in the sience books of a 16 year old so just imagine how much you can do with simple kitchen stuff sry for the dubbel pist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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