Gun control and violence

[UberBender]

Believe it or not, America COULD do something more about what's going on it africa, but they choose not to, or atleast, only in small amounts.

Everytime we try to go help someone we get flamed. *Ahem*Iraq*Cough**Cough*

 

Of course I admit we did screw that up pretty well.

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Believe it or not, America COULD do something more about what's going on it africa, but they choose not to, or atleast, only in small amounts.

Everytime we try to go help someone we get flamed. *Ahem*Iraq*Cough**Cough*

 

Of course I admit we did screw that up pretty well.

shock and awe was a faulty mission based on wrong evidence and was did in my opinion for the oil reserves on iraqi ground

 

and the war on terrorsm is going bad because of invading iraq has only made things worse now you have given hostages to the terrorists and new reasons to do another 9/11 and you have scared bin laden off now he is on the run and u have showed your full military strength and the terrorists havent so they know what they are up agaianst but u dont

[Arrow_Diet]

*poke poke*

Make a new thread for that stuff, this is gun control and violence.

 

It's kindof interesting that a lot of people get their insparation for violence from violent video games. It's really sad that people can play Doom or something and then go buy a gun to go rob a bank or kill their wife because their wife is cheating on them.

Education is the main problem.

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*poke poke*

Make a new thread for that stuff, this is gun control and violence.

 

It's kindof interesting that a lot of people get their insparation for violence from violent video games. It's really sad that people can play Doom or something and then go buy a gun to go rob a bank or kill their wife because their wife is cheating on them.

Education is the main problem.

when blaming the games its usally just a lame excuse like this manhunt thing we have now ok the game is violnant but his mother should have noticed that he bought that game and (if iam not mistaking) u need parental guidance in england and holland to buy such games when i was 12 i walked away with gta 1 a pg 18 rated game so its not education its the people who buy and sell who are the problem the solution is easy just make shure everybody has to show id when buying a game and there have to be warnings for the mentally weak (not saying that all mentally weak that play games are sertain killers) and better parental signs on games not just 15+ but a good expalantion of the game why it is 18+

 

but now back on topic

 

Dieing is the easy way out. Suffering is better

 

i personally would have used the gun although it is against what i stand 4

but if a burglerar breaks in what would u do then same 3 options

 

 

1. do nothing

2. shoot him to death/or inflict deathly damage

3. incapacytate him by what ever means nesesary but dont kill him or use firearms

[Zmid]

Or they might kill you as an attempt to not get caught at all, and to give them more time to rob your house.

Killing someone is never worth time to steal more stuff.

That's your opinion. It might not be their's.

 

They would get put to death if they got caught. Is that worth a few more bucks?

 

The key phrase there being 'if they got caught'.

 

And it would increase the chances of getting caught. It just leaves more evidence.

 

Not really. All the police would get from a dead body is a bullet to match to a gun. Ditch or destroy the gun, assuming you've taken elementary precautions (wearing gloves, etc), there's nothing to connect that gun to you. A live victim might be able to give a partial or even full description and possibly identify you in an ID parade.

 

a simple id platform only costs 20 $ to apply its used by the navy seals on their weapons and by some headhunters it reads the palm print of the user and then unlocks the weapon safety maganism

 

And how easy is it to remove? Not only that' date=' how long will it be before a way of fooling them arrives? Judging by the five-minute search I did on Google just now, not very long at all.

 

violance can be good if it is protecting yourself (not shock and awe style violance)

 

Totally agree with that.

 

but to a sertan extent picture this

 

a raper comes up to you (in thinking that u are a woman) and grabs u what can u do u can do nothing and let him rape u you can get a tazer and light his nuts up with 10000 volts or you can blast his head off with a .45

 

what would u do

 

Well, this wasn't directed at me, but, my answer (speaking as a man) would be 10000 volts to the genitals. It would be WAY more painful. ;)

 

It's kindof interesting that a lot of people get their insparation for violence from violent video games.

 

In my opinion' date=' the only thing video games do to these people is give them ideas for the precise method of murder. If they hadn't have played the violent video games, all that would happen is the people who they kill would die in a different way.

 

when blaming the games its usally just a lame excuse like this manhunt thing we have now ok the game is violnant but his mother should have noticed that he bought that game and (if iam not mistaking) u need parental guidance in england and holland to buy such games

 

Actually, in Britain, it is a bit more definate than that - it is totally illegal to sell age restricted games (like Manhunt) to people under the indicated age.

 

when i was 12 i walked away with gta 1 a pg 18 rated game so its not education its the people who buy and sell who are the problem the solution is easy just make shure everybody has to show id when buying a game

 

Good idea. Unfortunately, it's unworkable in practice. I actually sell these games, so I know what I'm talking about.

 

and there have to be warnings for the mentally weak (not saying that all mentally weak that play games are sertain killers) and better parental signs on games not just 15+ but a good expalantion of the game why it is 18+

 

Well, in Britain (and, I think, the rest of Europe), the PEGI system does exactly this. It has various symbols that are put on games along with the age rating to give the customer an idea of why it is rated at that age, although this is really a guideline rather than an absolute legal thing.

 

i personally would have used the gun although it is against what i stand 4

but if a burglerar breaks in what would u do then same 3 options

 

 

1. do nothing

2. shoot him to death/or inflict deathly damage

3. incapacytate him by what ever means nesesary but dont kill him or use firearms

 

There is actually a number 4 - quietly alert the police and wait for them to arrive and deal with it. Myself, I would do number 3 or 4, depending on the exact situation.

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Or they might kill you as an attempt to not get caught at all, and to give them more time to rob your house.

Killing someone is never worth time to steal more stuff.

That's your opinion. It might not be their's.

 

They would get put to death if they got caught. Is that worth a few more bucks?

 

The key phrase there being 'if they got caught'.

 

And it would increase the chances of getting caught. It just leaves more evidence.

 

Not really. All the police would get from a dead body is a bullet to match to a gun. Ditch or destroy the gun, assuming you've taken elementary precautions (wearing gloves, etc), there's nothing to connect that gun to you. A live victim might be able to give a partial or even full description and possibly identify you in an ID parade.

 

a simple id platform only costs 20 $ to apply its used by the navy seals on their weapons and by some headhunters it reads the palm print of the user and then unlocks the weapon safety maganism

 

And how easy is it to remove? Not only that' date=' how long will it be before a way of fooling them arrives? Judging by the five-minute search I did on Google just now, not very long at all.

 

violance can be good if it is protecting yourself (not shock and awe style violance)

 

Totally agree with that.

 

but to a sertan extent picture this

 

a raper comes up to you (in thinking that u are a woman) and grabs u what can u do u can do nothing and let him rape u you can get a tazer and light his nuts up with 10000 volts or you can blast his head off with a .45

 

what would u do

 

Well, this wasn't directed at me, but, my answer (speaking as a man) would be 10000 volts to the genitals. It would be WAY more painful. ;)

 

It's kindof interesting that a lot of people get their insparation for violence from violent video games.

 

In my opinion' date=' the only thing video games do to these people is give them ideas for the precise method of murder. If they hadn't have played the violent video games, all that would happen is the people who they kill would die in a different way.

 

when blaming the games its usally just a lame excuse like this manhunt thing we have now ok the game is violnant but his mother should have noticed that he bought that game and (if iam not mistaking) u need parental guidance in england and holland to buy such games

 

Actually, in Britain, it is a bit more definate than that - it is totally illegal to sell age restricted games (like Manhunt) to people under the indicated age.

 

when i was 12 i walked away with gta 1 a pg 18 rated game so its not education its the people who buy and sell who are the problem the solution is easy just make shure everybody has to show id when buying a game

 

Good idea. Unfortunately, it's unworkable in practice. I actually sell these games, so I know what I'm talking about.

 

and there have to be warnings for the mentally weak (not saying that all mentally weak that play games are sertain killers) and better parental signs on games not just 15+ but a good expalantion of the game why it is 18+

 

Well, in Britain (and, I think, the rest of Europe), the PEGI system does exactly this. It has various symbols that are put on games along with the age rating to give the customer an idea of why it is rated at that age, although this is really a guideline rather than an absolute legal thing.

 

i personally would have used the gun although it is against what i stand 4

but if a burglerar breaks in what would u do then same 3 options

 

 

1. do nothing

2. shoot him to death/or inflict deathly damage

3. incapacytate him by what ever means nesesary but dont kill him or use firearms

 

There is actually a number 4 - quietly alert the police and wait for them to arrive and deal with it. Myself, I would do number 3 or 4, depending on the exact situation.

i think the pegi system sucks because it is either to strikt or to soft on some games like command and conquer 15+ i think it is overrated and should be a 12+

and bg&e is in holland a game for 7+ i wouldnt reccomment that to a 7 year old

and as for the guideline thing if my mom knew what i did on gta yesterday she wouldt vene let me think of that game those markings dont mean poo to people who dont interract with games often

 

as for calling the police in holland it takes a avarage 15 to 20 minutes to get to the crime scene in 15 to 20 minutes most valuables are gone and so is the thief

 

the id platform is "melted" inside the handle of the gun

 

In my opinion, the only thing video games do to these people is give them ideas for the precise method of murder. If they hadn't have played the violent video games, all that would happen is the people who they kill would die in a different way.

 

 

 

does gta give people ideas on how to kill people ?

there are only a selsect few games that might give people ideas but what about movies dont they feature violance and sick ideas on how to kill people ?

[Arrow_Diet]

Hey it, don't quote an entire post please (especially wolf's, he's a freakin' wind bag ;) )

 

I got a lot of new and creative ways of killing people in GTA. I didn't know you could beat some one to death with some brass knuckles or blow some one's leg off with a shotgun (no really, I didn't know untill then.)

The age system for video games is only a guideline, because some kids can't handle the stuff in the game, even at the required age. Where as, on the other hand, you have kids like me, who have been playing shooting games since he was 6 because he was mature enough to know that that kind of crap stays IN THE VIDEO GAME.

My best friend (the same one with the 12 Gauge waving grandfather) doesn't know that you can't do the kind of things that you can do in video games. I lent him my GTA3 game for a while, and a week later, the cops cought him trying to get into some one else's car (which, thank god, was locked.)

 

I'm holding my ground when I say that education will fix a LOT of problems with violence. I'm also holding my ground on my believe that death is the easy way out for some one who wishes me personal injury.

[Zmid]

i think the pegi system sucks because it is either to strikt or to soft on some games like command and conquer 15+ i think it is overrated and should be a 12+

and bg&e is in holland a game for 7+ i wouldnt reccomment that to a 7 year old

I actually agree. The PEGI system is a good idea in principle, but it's too erratic. Some games are rated far higher than others for no discernable reason.

 

and as for the guideline thing if my mom knew what i did on gta yesterday she wouldt vene let me think of that game those markings dont mean poo to people who dont interract with games often

 

Actually, in Britain, all the GTA games are BBFC rated (which is a definate legal thing) at 18. I do agree that the BBFC or the PEGI ratings don't seem to mean much to some folk, however.

 

as for calling the police in holland it takes a avarage 15 to 20 minutes to get to the crime scene in 15 to 20 minutes most valuables are gone and so is the thief

 

...and in that situation, I'd do number 3 - incapacitate him.

 

the id platform is "melted" inside the handle of the gun

 

There's already been a successful attempt to fool an electronic fingerprint scanner using a false finger. It works 4 times out of 5. How long before somebody comes up with one that works 5 times out of 5?

 

does gta give people ideas on how to kill people ?

 

Yes. Would the people who carry out these murders 'inspired' by GTA/Manhunt/whatever else kill anyway? Yes, just in a different way.

 

there are only a selsect few games that might give people ideas but what about movies dont they feature violance and sick ideas on how to kill people ?

 

Yes, and the same applies - these movies would only really 'inspire' folk who would likely kill someone anyway.

 

Hey it, don't quote an entire post please (especially wolf's, he's a freakin' wind bag  )

 

Fine. Be like that, then. ( :P )

 

The age system for video games is only a guideline

 

Well, in Britain, there's two. The BBFC ratings are an absolute legal limit. Anyone who sells or rents games/DVDs/videos to anyone under this age rating is liable for a hefty fine and/or jail time (and probably being sacked).

 

The PEGI ratings are a guideline intended mainly for customers, but some retailers view the PEGI ratings as just as absolute as the BBFC ones.

 

I'm holding my ground when I say that education will fix a LOT of problems with violence.

 

That would certianly help, but it would take one hell of a long time, if it's possible at all in the US.

 

I'm also holding my ground on my believe that death is the easy way out for some one who wishes me personal injury.

 

Heh. I would agree with that.

 

*chuckles evilly*

 

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