burial urns do not contain gold anymore

[Sianama]

I have a wierd problem, which came up after the latest patch: urns and burial urns in my Skyrim game do not contain gold anymore. The ones that would normally contain only gold are empty, the ones that would contain gold and a ring for example contain only the ring. It happens only with urns/burial urns, everything else is fine (dead Draugr, chests etc).

I do not have any mod installed that has anything to do with urns, nor have I changed my modlist after the patch.

The only mod I can think of that had anything to do with urns was one that changed Bronjunaar but I uninstalled that one a while ago, because it also made parts of the walls in Hjerim disappear.

The only mod that at the moment causes problems for me is Homestead, because it simply doesn't do what it should do anymore. But that was a problem before the patch too and the urns were all still fine then.

The issue has occured on every new savegame I created since the patch (I wanted to see if it's repeatable).

 

While this is by no means a big problem or game-breaking, I am simply a little worried that this might only be a small part of a bigger problem. So i thought I just ask for help here or if maybe someone else has experienced this?

 

Thanks in advance :smile:

[PythonDragon]

If you have the CK, fire it up and see if the base items for the urns still have all of the content lists they should.
Then check each of those lists and confirm that they actually have a chance of spawning gold.
Another thing to look at is the "Chance of none" field. I briefly made the mistake in a mod I was working on to change this number on a vanilla object instead of creating a new form. If the chance of none is set to 100 (which means a 100% chance of nothing being delivered instead of a 100% chance of something being delivered) then you may have found your issue.

Keep in mind this may take a few file-sifts. Start with the .esm files and then move to the .esp files you actually load, starting with the LAST one loaded.

 

Good luck and happy bug-hunting.

Edited March 27, 2013 by PythonDragon

[Sianama]

Thank you for the answer :)

 

But.. is there anything I can do if I don't have the CK?

All I usually do is use mods, read read mes and so on, that's how far my experience goes. Admittedly I fiddled around a bit with some mods about the time 1.9 was released, maybe shortly before. But on the whole I have a stable game, my mods work (apart from one^^) and everything is fine, apart from those frigging urns

Would it be any help if I posted my mod list and a list of mods I recently removed here?

[ripple]

It's probably a mod that edits leveled lists used by urns (which does not need to make any sort of edits to urns themselves). Post your BOSS log (with the messages), include the list of plugins not recognized by BOSS if one is generated, enclose them in spoiler tags so they don't clutter the screen.

[fleabittendog]

You dont' have Requiem by any chance? It removes treasure from urns and draugr and leaves only bone meal.

[Sianama]

Ok, here are the lists:

 

 

These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action.

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    Note: UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp has the same functional, but you can use FollowerWander2.esp on your choice.
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  • Unrecognised:
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      lusciousfaces.esp Active
      AK- Placeable Statics - Hearthfire.esp Active
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      UFOtweak.esp Active
      1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch-No ImpGuards.esp
      1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch-NoGuards.esp

 

 

Do you need the load order too?

 

 

Edit: Oh, and what kind of irritated me is that my save file size is quite big from the start. From what I read most people start with a save file size of about 2000 kb, mine is over 6000 at the start of a new game. The file increase afterwards is slow (I'd say normal) on my current playthrough 11mb at level 129. I have no ctd issue, except for very rare ctds, that are not "repeatable" (if I try again from a save, the game doesn't crash again at the same point), my load screens are quite short, fps from 25 to 60 (25 for example in Hjaalmarsh with bad weather^^), usually even with a lot of fighting and spellcasting going on not below 40.

Edited March 29, 2013 by Sianama

[ripple]

Try this: disable all the plugins not recognized by BOSS. Go into a cell with no NPCs (a player home, for instance), wait/sleep for 30 days, then go find an urn in a dungeon somewhere (Bleak Falls Barrow, for instance), and see if it spawns gold again. If it does, then one of the unrecognized plugins is responsible.

[Sianama]

I did that in Solstheim, went to Severin Manor, moved out my husband waited 30 days, went back to Benkongerike, but still no gold in urns.

Edit: I used to have 3 more mods, that I removed:
first this one: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/29275 which simply stopped working for me and I still do not know why. BOSS said to clean it so I did, but even after re-installing I couldn't get it to work anymore.

The other ones were: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/9001 which caused Wall chunks in Hjerim to disappear, and I do not know how to fix this, so I uninstalled it.
and http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/26405 of which BOSS said, it should be removed, so I did.

All three of those were not enabled when I started my current playthrough, but the 'urn-problem' was already there on my last savegame. Maybe something with those mods caused a 'lasting' problem with my gamefiles?

Edited March 30, 2013 by Sianama

[ripple]

I've never used those mods, so it's possible they edited urn containers or leveled lists used by urns, and the change has been baked into your save (but a cell reset should fix that).

 

Funny, I have my own personal mod where I removed gold from urns because I felt I was making too much gold from them and it made the game too easy (for me) in the beginning.

 

You can use TES5Edit to check and see if any mod you are using edits urns or leveled lists used by urns. Load up all your plugins in TES5Edit, click on skyrim.esm, click on containers, find entries for urns, and it will show you which, if any mod, edits them.

[Sianama]

I think I found something. I checked the leveled item list in TESVedit and the "LootUrnGoldChange" chance of none is 0, so that should be ok.

 

But! All urns (Treas Ruins UrnLarge01&02, as well as TreasRuinsUrnSmall01&02) [except for 'E3DemoTreasHallofStories BurialUrn'] do not have a LootUrnGoldChange in their lootlists. They have LootperkGoldenTouchChange, Imperial Luck, Prowler's Profit, Potion Restore HMS and Urn small treasure, but no Gold loot. (COCT count 5)

Which is exactly what I've been experiencing. They contain poitions, they contain rings, they contain gems (sometimes, I don't have the prowler's profit yet), but never gold. So I guess that's it then? And if so how did that happen? oO

 

And if this "E3DemoTreasHallofStories BurialUrn" is the one in the Hall of Stories in Korvanjund for example, then that would fit too, because that one indeed contained gold.

 

The only mods I found that edit urns are the USKP and Placable Statics. But I think if those two did that, someone else would already have noticed too ;D

 

For me the loot in urns is something I simply like. Going through dungeons and always having empty urns is kind of disappointing. I don't even care if it's much gold. I guess I'd be ok, if they contained books instead of gold. My inner child just wants to be happy it found an "easter egg" an some corner I guess ;)