Skyrim runs smoothly yet I continue to CTD

[xMarvel]

Alright. Like I stated in the topic title, Skyrim runs great in game for me. I get about 35-45 fps depending on what is going on and I am overall extremely pleased with my gaming experience while playing. However, I will get CTD's after a set amount of time has passed. Now I know when a specific mod, bad saved states, etc. cause CTD but this seems different. If I had to guess, I can play for ~1 1/2 hours (sometimes less, ~45min) before I CTD. And the CTD is completely random. Now I do run quite a bit of mods. I'd say I have around 80 mods including many texture mods, weapons/armor, custom races, follower mods, RLO, Sharpshooters and more. So I feel I am just simply running out of memory or have too many mods installed. But like I said, the game looks beautiful and I actually have been putting up with it CTD'ing every 1-2 hours or so because I just love how well the game looks. But I am afraid to add any new mods in fear of shortening the time it takes to receive that inevitable CTD. So does anyone know what the problem is? I will add, I feel I reached my mod limit before because at one point I could not add any more mods without immediate CTD. And I tested it to make sure it wasn't any particular mod causing the CTD. I've seen other people on here say they've experienced similar occurrences. I've disabled a handful of mods to "back off" of that mod limit. Which is strange because I've never downloaded more than 120 mods or so. And the max is apparently ~250? So I don't know what that means. But anyways, I would appreciate any help and feedback.

 

My specs:

GTX680

i7-3770K

8GB RAM

64bit OS

 

And I am running Skyrim on my 120GB SSD

 

Thank you :biggrin:

[ripple]

1) post your BOSS log (with the messages), include a list of plugins not recognized by BOSS if one is generated. Enclose both in spoiler tags so they don't clutter the screen.

 

2) have you made any edits to the game ini files?

 

3) any discerning patterns to the CTDs at all (mostly outdoors, in interior cells, during combat, with followers, etc.)?

[xMarvel]

 

Skyrim.esm Active
Update.esm Active
Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
ApachiiHair.esm Active
RaceCompatibility.esm Active
Deus Mons.esm
SPIKE.esm Active
TERAArmors.esm Active
retreat.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active
Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
Ysolda.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active
Rainbows.esp Active
Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
randomthunder.esp Active
better_torches_brighter_torchlight.esp Active
Warning: This mod appears to have a duplicated cell. You may encounter 'weirdness' in the Riften Ratway.
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active
Arrowsmith.esp Active
better embers.esp Active
chesko_wearablelantern.esp Active
ShootingStars.esp Active
Convenient Horses.esp Active
CrowdedCities.esp Active
Character Creation Overhaul.esp Active
WetandCold.esp Active
SkyUI.esp Active
iHUD.esp Active
BlackSacramentArmor.esp Active
BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp Active
Blades_of_Chaos.esp Active
BloodWitchArmor.esp Active
Cloaks - No Imperial.esp Active
Daedric Mage Armor.esp Active
FF7 Bustersword.esp Active
hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Active
Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
LadyLaceCloaks_EN.esp Active
Nouserhere Ears.esp Active
PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp Active
Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
TERAArmors.esp Active
Requires: DIMONIZED UNP female body
TERA Weapons.esp Active
Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp Active
Unique Uniques.esp Active
ZangetsuAllForms.esp Active
betterinns.esp Active
Deus Mons_WithNPCs.esp
hobbithouse.esp
markarth_plus.esp Active
quest_sorcery.esp
whiterunMarket.esp
female mannequins.esp Active
Masters of Death.esp Active
CCO - Oblivion Carry Weights.esp Active
CCO - Permanent Birthsigns.esp Active
Killable Children.esp Active
lush grass and trees.esp Active
SameWalkRunSpeeds.esp Active
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active
riverwoodenhancedplugin.esp Active
taveriften.esp Active
tavesolitude.esp Active
tavewindhelm.esp Active
tavevillages.esp Active
whiteruninenhanced.esp Active
tavefalkreath.esp Active
realistic lighting.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Illuminated Spells.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp Active
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp Active
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp Active
Vasto Lorde Transformation.esp
DeadlyCombat.esp
DeadlyCombat_UnarmedFix.esp
DeadlyCombat_NoArmorChanges.esp
duel weild 2 hand.esp
The Dance of Death.esp Active
CCO - Dynamic Skill Progression.esp Active
crimson tide - blood.esp
Incompatible with: dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
Dual Flurry for all.esp Active
Frost_Elves.esp Active
LunariRace.esp Active
TemptressVixen.esp
3DNPC.esp Active
UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp Active
Note: For safe install need dismiss all your followers, save, delete all included mods, load again, save and install UFO. For safe uninstall or update see special instructions on mod page.
ApachiiHairStyles-FemaleOnly.esp Active
Amanda.esp
blaze of eventide.esp Active
Lyla.esp
mayatola UFF.esp Active
mayatola miria.esp Active
Michelle.esp
Misha.esp
Better Followers - SBP.esp
Warning: Delete C01QuestScript.pex from data/scripts folder, if exist.
Requires: Better Followers - Armor Pack I & II, download it on BF page.
Note: Use only one Better Followers - *.esp
BFFAnimalCompanions.esp Active
FollowerWander2.esp
Note: UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul.esp has the same functional, but you can use FollowerWander2.esp on your choice.
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
CCO - Diverse Races And Genders.esp Active
WATER.esp Active
WATER Plants.esp Active
GreenWaterFix_Compatible.esp Active
RaceMenu.esp Active
RaceMenuPlugin.esp Active
Note: RaceMenuPlugin is optional and provides support to alter Height, Breast, Glute and Biceps. If you experience issues with it, disable RaceMenuPlugin.esp and inform the author.
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

 

Unrecognized Plugins

AzarHair.esm Active
LightningArmor13-2.esp Active
staticmeshimprovementmod-part2.esp Active
Better Horses.esp Active
advanced alteration - kinetics.esp Active
Auleric_Nord_Mage_Follower.esp

 

 

As you can see, not all of them are active at the moment. (I've slowly been disabling more and more mods in an effort to fix CTD issues.)

 

There is no real pattern to my CTD. I do CTD outside the most though. But combat and entering and exiting buildings seem fine to me for the most part. But I do have two followers with me usually. I use that "all in one girl follower" pack which crams like 9 girl followers into one esp. But I only use like 1-2 of the girls yet I still need the esp for those two followers. Also I forgot to mention that I will occasionally freeze (not CTD) during a loading screen when I try to exit a building. (That might be a save issue or a mod problem.) I feel deactivating my mods like this might be causing even more problems. Heh.

 

This is my SkyrimPref.ini. I have made a few changes because I used that Nvidia Tweaked settings guide and changed a few things around. I also shut off the enb fps limiter, turned on vsync, and I used a CFF opener app to allow more than 2GB of ram to be used for the skyrim launcher (don't know if any of this makes a difference). I also have Wyre Bash installed but I do not understand how to use it so I always leave that "Bashed patch.esp" deactivated.

 

 

[General]
fBrightLightColorB=1.0000
fBrightLightColorG=1.0000
fBrightLightColorR=1.0000
iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1
bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0
[imagespace]
bDoDepthOfField=1
[Display]
iBlurDeferredShadowMask=5
fInteriorShadowDistance=3000.0000
fShadowDistance=2500.0000
iShadowMapResolutionSecondary=1024
iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048
iShadowSplitCount=2
iMaxAnisotropy=8
fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000
fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000
fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=3600.0000
fGamma=1.0000
fDecalLOD2=1500.0000
fDecalLOD1=1000.0000
fSpecularLODStartFade=500.0000
fShadowLODStartFade=200.0000
fLightLODStartFade=1000.0000
iTexMipMapMinimum=0
iTexMipMapSkip=0
iWaterMultiSamples=0
iMultiSample=0
iShadowMode=3
bTreesReceiveShadows=1
bDrawLandShadows=1
bFull Screen=0
iSize H=900
iSize W=1600
fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000
fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=3072.0000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=4096.0000
iScreenShotIndex=2
bShadowMaskZPrepass=0
bMainZPrepass=0
iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=3
iMaxDecalsPerFrame=10
bFloatPointRenderTarget=1
[Grass]
b30GrassVS=0
fGrassStartFadeDistance=3500.0000
fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000
fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000
[MAIN]
bGamepadEnable=1
bCrosshairEnabled=1
fHUDOpacity=1.000
bSaveOnPause=1
bSaveOnTravel=1
bSaveOnWait=1
bSaveOnRest=1
[GamePlay]
bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1
bShowQuestMarkers=1
iDifficulty=2
[interface]
bDialogueSubtitles=0
bGeneralSubtitles=0
[Controls]
fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=1.0000
fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0125
bAlwaysRunByDefault=1
bInvertYValues=0
bGamePadRumble=1
bMouseAcceleration=1
[Particles]
iMaxDesired=750
[saveGame]
fAutosaveEveryXMins=15.0000
[AudioMenu]
fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000
fVal7=1.0000
uID7=0
fVal6=1.0000
uID6=0
fVal5=1.0000
uID5=0
fVal4=1.0000
uID4=0
fVal3=1.0000
uID3=0
fVal2=0.4000
uID2=466532
fVal1=1.0000
uID1=554685
fVal0=0.8000
uID0=1007612
[Clouds]
fCloudLevel2Distance=262144.0000
fCloudLevel1Distance=32768.0000
fCloudLevel0Distance=16384.0000
fCloudNearFadeDistance=9000.0000
[TerrainManager]
fTreeLoadDistance=25000.0000
fBlockMaximumDistance=100000.0000
fBlockLevel1Distance=32768.0000
fBlockLevel0Distance=20480.0000
fSplitDistanceMult=0.7500
bShowLODInEditor=0
[NavMesh]
fObstacleAlpha=0.5000
fCoverSideHighAlpha=0.8000
fCoverSideLowAlpha=0.6500
fEdgeFullAlpha=1.0000
fEdgeHighAlpha=0.7500
fEdgeLowAlpha=0.5000
fTriangleFullAlpha=0.7000
fTriangleHighAlpha=0.3500
fTriangleLowAlpha=0.2000
fLedgeBoxHalfHeight=25.0000
fEdgeDistFromVert=10.0000
fEdgeThickness=10.0000
fPointSize=2.5000
[Trees]
bRenderSkinnedTrees=1
uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender=20
[Decals]
uMaxDecals=100
[LOD]
fLODFadeOutMultObjects=5.0000
fLODFadeOutMultItems=3.0000
fLODFadeOutMultActors=6.0000
[Launcher]
bEnableFileSelection=1

 

Edited March 22, 2013 by xMarvel

[Derok]

I had a CTD after about 30 min after installing an heavy ENB. Found this fix:

http://forum.step-project.com/showthread.php?tid=352

Not tested it yet.

Edited March 22, 2013 by Derok

[xMarvel]

Hmm I might try that. I'll do some research on it. I am playing skyrim now and it seems to be lasting a little longer now that I have deleted a few more mods.

[ripple]

and I used a CFF opener app to allow more than 2GB of ram to be used for the skyrim launcher (don't know if any of this makes a difference)

It might, because this is not necessary any more since Skyrim was enabled to utilize 4GB ram several patches ago.

 

- did you make any changes to your skyrim.ini?

- what do you normally do with the plugins not recognized by BOSS?

 

Wrye Bash is primarily used to generate the Bashed Patch, which is basically a dynamically generated compatibility patch specific to the user's load order/mod list that, among other things, merges conflicting leveled lists records. Right click on the Bashed Patch in Wrye Bash and select 'rebuild...' to (re)generate the patch, and do it each time you add or remove a plugin.

Edited March 23, 2013 by ripple

[xMarvel]

No I don't think I made any changes to my skyrim.ini. And with unrecognized plugins I usually leave them be. They do not seem to be the problem. But I did what you said to the Bashed Patch thing and it seems to be a bit better. It's only been like an hour since I've seen this reply but I haven't CTD'd. I'll check more tomorrow and update you. Thanks :biggrin:

[ripple]

After you run BOSS, unrecognized plugins go to the bottom of the load order. I cannot emphasize enough that they absolutely should not be allowed to load there nor should their load order be positioned randomly. Plugins not recognized by BOSS may contain records that conflict with other plugins in your load order. Conflicts are common but depending on which and how many records are 'over-riden', it could be detrimental to the stability of the load order. The only reliable way to determine their load order position is to use TES5Edit to compare their records with the other plugins in your load order to see if there are conflicting records and then decide which plugin should 'win' the load order contest depending on the nature of the record (plugins that load later 'override' conflicting records of plugins that load earlier). That's what I recommend in your case since you don't have many plugins not recognized by BOSS and it shouldn't take too long to sort through them. You can also follow 'general guidelines' suggested by the mod authors if they included such suggestions in the mod readmes or descriptions, but it's not as reliable and 'fool proof' as checking out the plugin records yourself.

Ideally, I'd still like to see your skyrim.ini to make sure, since you mentioned you followed one of those online 'ini tweak guides.' Unless an user has a low end rig and need to tweak ini settings just sustain playable framerates (which does not appear to be the case for your rig), I generally recommend users leave the ini files alone except for non-performance related tweaks like enabling papyrus logging when bug tracking or increasing autosave count. Most of ini tweaks suggests by those 'tweak guides' floating around on the interwebs, especially the memory tweaks, are intended to boost performance at the expense of game stability (for example, increasing 'ugridstoload'), and are often the culprits for game instability not attributed to mods.

Edited March 23, 2013 by ripple