un-be-lievable (CTDs)

[forthemods08]

this is my millionth time reinstalling this game.. full complete re install off steam.. hand picked mods all installed properly with NMM, no imcompatibilites with BOSS and using skyrealism ENB.

 

system:

i7 950

12gb dominator ram

amd 6970 overclocked with CCC

 

and STILL getting random CTDs when either entering a building (dragonsreach, had one in the temple in whiterun.)

 

I even removed Skyrim HD texture pack and was fine with that as bethesdas HD texture pack still looks good.. im at a loss as to whats causing this.

 

The only ini tweaks ive used are the basic ones from STEP and i even have my shadows set to high not ultra... im not using the Z-fighting ini fixes as i noticed those caused ctds too...

 

can post my mod list when i get home but im so sick of this garbage...

[Azakiel]

i would suggest posting your load order when you are at your home computer, as that may provide some hints.

 

also, it may be worth activating papyrus debugging, and then posting the copy of your debug log the next time you get a ctd

[forthemods08]

as promised.. load order

Active Mod Files:

00  Skyrim.esm
01  Update.esm
02  Dawnguard.esm
03  HearthFires.esm
04  Dragonborn.esm
05  Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
06  ApachiiHair.esm
07  ApachiiHairMales.esm
08  ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
09  Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
0A  MagicDuel.esm
0B  SkyMoMod.esm
0C  SPIKE.esm
0D  HighResTexturePack01.esp
0E  HighResTexturePack02.esp
0F  HighResTexturePack03.esp
10  Brawl Bugs CE.esp
11  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 1.3.1a]
12  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
13  Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.0]
14  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
15  Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.1]
16  Chesko_Frostfall.esp
17  Better Dynamic Snow.esp
18  Rainbows.esp
19  IHSS.esp
1A  realrainCoT.esp
1B  mintylightningmod.esp
1C  MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp
1D  MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch PatchPlus5.esp
1E  fantasy music overhaul.esp
1F  fantasy music overhaul - no vanilla music.esp
20  fantasy music overhaul - unique town music.esp
21  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
22  StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
23  Better Skill and Quest Books Names.esp
24  Dead Body Collision.esp
25  fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp  [Version 1.0]
26  NS_HuntingGroundsOutfit.esp
27  Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-4.esp
28  Moss Rocks.esp
29  Point The Way.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
2A  Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE.esp
2B  ShootingStars.esp
2C  skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp
2D  SkyMoMod Lore-Friendly Standard No Dragons.esp
2E  Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
2F  Convenient Horses.esp
30  Destructible_bottles.esp
31  Footprints.esp
32  Footprints - Ash.esp
33  Ket_3DLoadscreens.esp
34  WetandCold.esp
35  WetandCold - Ashes.esp
36  SkyUI.esp
37  Cloaks.esp
38  iHUD.esp
39  Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
3A  1nivWICCloaks.esp  [Version 2.2]
3B  1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp  [Version 2.2]
3C  DK_Armor_By_Hothtrooper44.esp
3D  Elemental Staves.esp
3E  hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
3F  isilNarsil.esp
40  Knight Of Thorns Armor.esp
41  Medusa and Drakul Armors.esp
42  Thanatos Dragonx.esp
43  Unique Uniques.esp  [Version 1.3]
44  Dr_Bandolier.esp
45  Dr_BandolierDG.esp
46  BandolierForNPCMasterFile.esp  [Version 4.0]
47  BandolierForNPCsWIC_V2.esp
48  Lock Overhaul.esp
49  DeadlyDragons.esp
4A  whiteruntrees.esp
4B  Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp
4C  AchieveThat.esp
4D  BetterQuestObjectives.esp
4E  BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp
4F  BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp
50  BetterQuestObjectives-BSaQBPatch.esp
51  Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
52  Headtracking.esp
53  Immersive Weapons.esp
54  SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp
55  SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
56  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
57  dD-DG-DB-MonsterMod EBT Patch.esp
58  xvisionchildren.esp
59  xvisionchildren - hearthfire.esp
5A  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
5B  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
5C  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
5D  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
5E  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
5F  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
60  RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
61  RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
62  RND_DestructibleBottles-Patch.esp
63  RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
64  RND_SkyMoMod-Patch.esp
65  RND_USKP-Patch.esp
66  RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
67  RND_UniqueBoozeBottles-Patch.esp
68  Better Vampires.esp
69  Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
6A  Balanced_Magic.esp
6B  Balanced_Magic_Dawnguard.esp
6C  conjure_chest.esp
6D  HitStop.esp
6E  SSAPBWK.esp
6F  vinis_transmute.esp
70  BFSEffects.esp
71  DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
72  DeadlyCombat.esp
73  DeadlyCombat_NoAttackDistance.esp
74  DragonCombatOverhaul.esp
75  DragonCombatOverhaulDragonBornPatch.esp
76  The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
77  TKcombat.esp
78  TKRecoil.esp
79  Enhanced Soul Trap.esp
7A  TrulyHarvestAntlers.esp
7B  Beards.esp
7C  Brows.esp
7D  Iridum Eyes NRT.esp
7E  Blaze Of Eventide.esp
7F  Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp  [Version 2.2.2]
80  wizDynamicThings.esp
81  MessiasVampireArmorRoyalRetexture.esp
82  Mystical Illumination.esp
83  ORM-Arvak.esp
84  Riverwood Reborn.esp
85  Weapon Enchantments Redone.esp
86  Windfull Skyrim.esp
87  AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp
88  GELO_Vanilla_Base_File.esp
89  GELO_Dawnguard_Base_File.esp
8A  GELO_Dragonborn_Base_File.esp
8B  GELO_Patcher_Build.esp
8C  HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonborn.esp  [Version 2.0]
8D  HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardHearthfireDragonborn.esp
8E  WATER.esp
8F  WATER DB Waves.esp
90  RND_Water-Patch.esp
91  EzEWorldMap.esp
92  EzEMapSolstheim.esp
93  RaceMenu.esp
94  RaceMenuPlugin.esp
95  D13NightEyeSpell.esp
96  HeartBreaker.esp  [Version 1.02]
97  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
98  Automatic Variants.esp

[forthemods08]

ANY ideas?

[ripple]

Can you replace your load order with a BOSS log (with the messages)? Include the list of plugins not recognized by BOSS if one is generated.

[forthemods08]

Here goes.. disregard the skymomod notes.. im using v12 with the appropriate newest patch on enhanced blood textures' page

 

These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action.

• Skyrim.esm Active
• Update.esm Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
  • Contains dirty edits: 92 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• Dawnguard.esm Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 607 ITM, 82 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• HearthFires.esm Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 171 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• Dragonborn.esm Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 57 ITM, 8 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• ApachiiHair.esm Active
• ApachiiHairMales.esm Active
• Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm Active
• ClimatesOfTamriel.esm Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 4 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm Active
• MagicDuel.esm Active
• SkyMoMod.esm Active
• SPIKE.esm Active
• HighResTexturePack01.esp Active
• HighResTexturePack02.esp Active
• HighResTexturePack03.esp Active
• Brawl Bugs CE.esp Active
• Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active
• Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}
• Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp Active
• Chesko_Frostfall.esp Active
• Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active
• Rainbows.esp Active
• IHSS.esp Active
• realrainCoT.esp Active
• mintylightningmod.esp Active
• MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp Active
• fantasy music overhaul.esp Active
• fantasy music overhaul - no vanilla music.esp Active
• fantasy music overhaul - unique town music.esp Active
• StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active
• StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp Active
• Better Skill and Quest Books Names.esp Active
• Dead Body Collision.esp Active
• fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp Active
• NS_HuntingGroundsOutfit.esp Active
• Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Climates of Tamriel - lvl-4.esp Active
  • Note: Use only one Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One esp.
• Moss Rocks.esp Active
• Point The Way.esp Active
• Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE.esp Active
• ShootingStars.esp Active
• skyBirds - Airborne Perching Birds.esp Active
• SkyMoMod Lore-Friendly Standard No Dragons.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}
  • Note: Use only one SkyMoMod Lore esp.
  • Requires: SkyMoMod v10
• Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Active
• Convenient Horses.esp Active
• Destructible_bottles.esp Active
• Footprints.esp Active
• Footprints - Ash.esp Active
• Ket_3DLoadscreens.esp Active
• WetandCold.esp Active
• WetandCold - Ashes.esp Active
• SkyUI.esp Active
• iHUD.esp Active
• Cloaks.esp Active
• Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp Active
• 1nivWICCloaks.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}
• 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp Active
• DK_Armor_By_Hothtrooper44.esp Active
• Elemental Staves.esp Active
• hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• isilNarsil.esp Active
  • Contains dirty edits: 15 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.
• Knight Of Thorns Armor.esp Active
• Medusa and Drakul Armors.esp Active
• Thanatos Dragonx.esp Active
• Unique Uniques.esp Active
• Dr_Bandolier.esp Active
• Dr_BandolierDG.esp Active
• BandolierForNPCMasterFile.esp Active
• BandolierForNPCsWIC_V2.esp Active
• Lock Overhaul.esp Active
• DeadlyDragons.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}
• whiteruntrees.esp Active
• Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp Active
• AchieveThat.esp Active
• BetterQuestObjectives.esp Active
• BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp Active
• BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp Active
• BetterQuestObjectives-BSaQBPatch.esp Active
• Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp Active
• Headtracking.esp Active
• Immersive Weapons.esp Active
  • Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}
• SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp Active
  • Note: Uninstall old version of Skyrim Flora Overhaul if using SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp
• SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp Active
• dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active
  • Requires: Skyrim Monster Mod_Compatibility Patch \ Dawnguard and Monster Mod.
• xvisionchildren.esp Active
• xvisionchildren - hearthfire.esp Active
• Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp Active
• Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp Active
• Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp Active
• Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp Active
• Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp Active
• ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp Active
• RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp Active
• RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp Active
• RND_DestructibleBottles-Patch.esp Active
• RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp Active
• RND_SkyMoMod-Patch.esp Active
• RND_USKP-Patch.esp Active
• RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp Active
• RND_UniqueBoozeBottles-Patch.esp Active
• Better Vampires.esp Active
• Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp Active
• Balanced_Magic.esp Active
• Balanced_Magic_Dawnguard.esp Active
• conjure_chest.esp Active
• HitStop.esp Active
• SSAPBWK.esp Active
• vinis_transmute.esp Active
• BFSEffects.esp Active
• DeadlySpellImpacts.esp Active
• DeadlyCombat.esp Active
• DeadlyCombat_NoAttackDistance.esp Active
• DragonCombatOverhaul.esp Active
• DragonCombatOverhaulDragonBornPatch.esp Active
• The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp Active
• TKcombat.esp Active
• Enhanced Soul Trap.esp Active
• Beards.esp Active
• Brows.esp Active
• Iridum Eyes NRT.esp Active
• Blaze Of Eventide.esp Active
• Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Active
• WATER.esp Active
• WATER DB Waves.esp Active
• RND_Water-Patch.esp Active
• RaceMenu.esp Active
• RaceMenuPlugin.esp Active
  • Note: RaceMenuPlugin is optional and provides support to alter Height, Breast, Glute and Biceps. If you experience issues with it, disable RaceMenuPlugin.esp and inform the author.
• Bashed Patch, 0.esp Active
• Automatic Variants.esp Active
• EzEWorldMap.esp Active

The following plugins were not found in the masterlist, and must be positioned manually, using your favourite mod manager or by using BOSS's user rules functionality. You can submit unrecognised plugins for addition to the masterlist directly from this log by clicking on a plugin and supplying a link and/or description of its contents in the panel that is displayed.

• MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch PatchPlus5.esp Active
• dD-DG-DB-MonsterMod EBT Patch.esp Active
• TKRecoil.esp Active
• TrulyHarvestAntlers.esp Active
• wizDynamicThings.esp Active
• MessiasVampireArmorRoyalRetexture.esp Active
• Mystical Illumination.esp Active
• ORM-Arvak.esp Active
• Riverwood Reborn.esp Active
• Weapon Enchantments Redone.esp Active
• Windfull Skyrim.esp Active
• AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp Active
• GELO_Vanilla_Base_File.esp Active
• GELO_Dawnguard_Base_File.esp Active
• GELO_Dragonborn_Base_File.esp Active
• GELO_Patcher_Build.esp Active
• HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonborn.esp Active
• HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardHearthfireDragonborn.esp Active
• EzEMapSolstheim.esp Active
• D13NightEyeSpell.esp Active
• HeartBreaker.esp Active

[forthemods08]

also i did clean the main esms with tes5edit before this complete reinstall.. havent done so yet

[ripple]

I'll start by addressing the 'elephant in the room': you are using too many mods. Not just in terms of 'numbers' but a combination of a lot of mods that will tax the game engine and the system (for example, mods with continually running scripts like 'frostfall', 'wet n' cold', 'realistic needs and diseases', 'footprints', just to name a few). It will be very difficult to ensure the long term stability of such an extensive load order even with custom compatibility patches you make yourself in TES5Edit, let alone without them. We can try and stabilize this load order as much as possible, but I recommend you consider trimming the load order (then starting a new game so you don't have to deal with orphan junk left behind in save games by uninstalled mods).

 

1) Cleaning: go ahead and clean those plugins flagged by BOSS as containing 'dirty edits.'

 

2) Maintenance: go through your BOSS log and address all the error messages, for example...

 

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active Requires: Skyrim Monster Mod_Compatibility Patch \ Dawnguard and Monster Mod

3) Rogue mods: this is going to be a 'headache' because you have so many of them. Plugins not recognized by BOSS go to the bottom of the load order after you run BOSS. They should not load there because if they contain conflicting records with other plugins in your load order, they will override those records. Their load order position need to be arranged manually. You can do this based on recommendations from the mod authors, but the most reliable method is to check out those plugins in TES5Edit and compare their records with the records of other plugins in your load order. Because you have so many plugins not recognized by BOSS, it will take a long time. So an alternative is to trim those mods from your load order so you don't need to deal with the aggravation.

[forthemods08]

thanks for the help but if you look at my original load order post, i manually fixed the load order of all the unrecognized ones appropriately.. what kind of system does someone need to run all the mods you mentioned?!! they are all "compatible" with each other according to the pages, and skyrim is a boring game without them

[ripple]

thanks for the help but if you look at my original load order post, i manually fixed the load order of all the unrecognized ones appropriately.. what kind of system does someone need to run all the mods you mentioned?!! they are all "compatible" with each other according to the pages, and skyrim is a boring game without them

 

By "appropriately", do you mean you actually loaded up all of your plugins in TES5Edit and checked every record in the unrecognized plugins for conflicts?

 

It's not a question of how power your rig is. Creation Engine is aging poorly. You can tell just by noticing how lifeless the world is. It's not a coincidence that Skyrim has the population density of a post-apocalyptic world, but rather because the engine can't manage more than a handful of NPCs on the same screen. It took several patches before Skyrim could utilize 4GB ram, and it will never use more 2 CPU cores (and poorly at that). So at some point, you'll hit the limits of the engine no matter how powerful your rig may be. Skyrim for PC is intended to be modded--just not 'heavily modded.' Running more than 100 mods would require custom compatibility patches (because load order does not actually resolve conflicts) to ensure long term stability, while other stuff (e.g. too many mods with continually running scripts) simply can't be resolved no matter what you do.

Edited March 27, 2013 by ripple