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Hey Nexus Community. First off, I've been using Nexus since TES:IV Oblivion and Fallout 3 and I wanted to thank all of you that support this community whether its by creating mods or using mods. I've created this thread to try to get some help with my CTD issue.

 

Seems like I have something wrong in my load order or something. I have reinstalled the game completely (uninstalled, deleted game folder, and reinstalled on a different drive), deleted and re-downloaded all my mods to a new folder location on the same drive as my game. I also deleted my old game saves and started a new playthrough.I have used Vortex for all my installations with the exception of F4SE, which I installed manually. I used NMM in the past and didn't seem to have any issues with my old modded playthrough.

 

Problem I am having is the game crashes after a only a few minutes game play. If I go idle, it doesn't crash, it only does when I begin to play.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've been working on this for a few days now and still can't get it stable.

 

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I was really wanting to give SimSettlements a try, partly why I wanted to do fresh install. That, and load times were annoyingly long. Getting FO4 off my HDD and onto a SSD should improve load times and gameplay, etc.

 

I also made sure to add "[Archive] bInvalidateOlderFiles=1 sResourceDataDirsFinal=" to my custom ini file.

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Hello. The new Sim Settlements 2 is very slow to dialogue with stranger, while also, he show how to build things. if there a battle close to him, the dialogue takes forever to complete. That is why i stop using it.

 

F4SE cause problems to Fallout 4 and can, many times, damage your save files, so you can't load them. is a small program out of the knowledge of the game and i don't understand, why so many people, trust it. i use it some times before and cause many problems, while i playing Fallout 4. (if you can, don't use it).

 

Read very good the description of a patch, before you add it and if you don't know about what a patch or a mod, do, there are many people here, that can help you.

 

That's all. Thanks.

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I will post up my generic "CTD Advice" which I post very often and help a lot of people with on reddit.

 

A thoughts on your specific mods;

 

While I have not personally tested XDI or Start me up - I see a LOT of "wow....that one was causing problems after a lot of testing..." comments on the net.

I also occasionally see issues with 3d scopes. But I have not personally tested it, so that is somewhat anecdotal.

 

Note of F4se: It is literally used by tens of thousands of users - it works well for them and has worked well for me in OVER 2000 hours of game play.

(wow, I need to play less games).

 

Also, while SS2 is an advanced mod and there are a few others which don't play well with it, it overall is a very stable and solid mod.

I run it (a lot) in a load order with over 200 mods quite successfully.

 

But then again, I don't use 3dscopes, XDI or Start up mods with it either.

 

here is my CTD Advice - hopefully you can get something out of it.

 

 

Crashes are usually caused by a few reasons;
- More than one mod changes the same asset, and they conflict in how they do it. The same piece of armor, the same mailbox, the same building.
- Mod authors not correctly removing objects from the game - either specific objects or even terrain elements (navmeshes) - this is not good as when the base game or another mod accesses these objects - instant CTD.
- Removing mods from a save - the game does not like it when mod that alter game mechanics are removed - this can lead to save corruption over time
Now, usually these issues are focused around specific objects, npcs or locations.
Most crashes are not really random - there was a fixed object (like a tree, building, etc.) or a non-fixed object that had an issue (an npc with issues, or even with a specific weapon that the npc might have in their inventory, etc.).
With some combos of mods, it might even layered even more complexly (like only crashing at night due to lighting mods, or only when approaching a location from a specific direction, etc.)
So it helps to think about what the player was doing - who was near, what common assets, sounds etc. Then think about what mods might do that.
("I keep crashing when running to gunners"....then look at gunner or armor overhaul mods, etc.)
Also, if a crash can eventually be tied to a specific item or object, examine that object in the console - you can get an id, or even a mod name which will help in investigation.
Brute Force Approach
If you can't identify a specific mod easily, the brute for approach may be necessary;
Turn off all mods and use clean save or console start (from loading screen use the console to start in an area - coc sanctuaryext for example will place a test character in sanctuary) to see if your base game is messed up.
In skyrim, you would use COC riverwood, or coc whiterun to go to those locations.
Then add mods back in groups to see when crash happens (I add about 10 or 20 at time, then add one or two to find issues).
Then you an check the comments sections for those mods, or if you are good with Fo4 edit, look at them yourself.
Rarely, but possible crashes can also happen at starting the game when some mods have missing components or other issues.
Another (almost) Common Cause
Ok, there is one more scenario - that is becoming more common - especially with bigger script heavy mods (even well written ones) being more popular.
Internal memory issues. Not the memory of your pc (although that can be an issue too) but the internal memory management in F4. Both SS and Panpc have notes on making settings changes to help manage memory issues.
Too many UI mods can overtax the system that keeps track of display objects on the screen. Multiple mods that do a lot of scripting (sim settlements, or pack attack) can at times overtax the games internal engine.
Good Tools
Finally, there occasionally may be a driver issue or some other system incompatibility (incredibly rare, but can happen in F4 Try googling your video card or try turning off your enb; for example, supposedly there is an issue with Nvidia 20xx series cards and "weapon debris" settings).
A good mod manager helps in finding issues and turning mods on and off;
* Vortex is powerful, somewhat easy to use, and well supported.
* Mod organizer 2 is very powerful, not as easy to use, and well supported.
Both are used successfully by tens of thousands of users.
Check on youtube for tutorials by gamerpoets on successful installation.
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How to turn off weapon debris if you have a RTX card.
(Fallout4Prefs.ini):
[NVFlex]
bNVFlexEnable=0
iQuality=0
bNVFlexInstanceDebris=0
bNVFlexDrawDebris=0
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