Game crashes in certain areas

[SunnyTheCat]

There's been a topic like this before, but its solutions didn't work for me.

 

I'm not new to modding, but this time I'm desperate.

 

Skyrim crashes in certain locations. Currently I've pinpointed two of them: south of Whiterun when trying to travel to Riverwood and north of Riften.

 

I've tried disabling all the mods (via NMM, just disabled all the active plugins)

I've tried removing all the custom meshes / textures from Data/ folder.

I've validated game files.

I've run BOSS and there were no errors

I've tried waiting a week for a cell to clear, but to no avail.

 

What else can I do? Please help.

[ripple]

Post your BOSS log (with the messages), include the list of plugins not recognized by BOSS if one is generated. Enclose them in spoiler tags so they don't clutter the screen.

[SunnyTheCat]

Here:

 

 

These plugins are recognised by BOSS and have been sorted according to its masterlist. Please read any attached messages and act on any that require action.

Skyrim.esm Active

Update.esm Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Contains dirty edits: 92 ITM, 3 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.

Dawnguard.esm Active

Contains dirty edits: 607 ITM, 82 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

HearthFires.esm Active

Contains dirty edits: 171 ITM, 11 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.

Dragonborn.esm Active

Contains dirty edits: 57 ITM, 8 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.

ApachiiHair.esm Active

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm Active

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm Active

Ket_ARMONIZER_v2.esm Active

Night Eye Overhaul.esm Active

Omegared99-Compilation.esm Active

SPIKE.esm Active

TravellersOfSkyrim.esm Active

prisonerfix.esp Active

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Active

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

Delphine Makeover D2.esp Active

Chesko_Frostfall.esp Active

Better Dynamic Snow.esp Active

SoundPropagationOverhaul.esp Active

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp Active

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp Active

TradeBarter.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

Dead Body Collision.esp Active

Expensive Investments.esp Active

Oblivion Gates v3 - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp Active

Oblivion Gates v3 without Markers - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp Active

Real Wildlife Skyrim 0.1.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

Contains dirty edits: 346 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.

Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 1 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.

TravellersOfSkyrim - Vanilla.esp Active

VariedGuards.esp Active

DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp Active

Note: Make sure you have not switched DoF off in your ini file. If you don't see any effect, open you Skyrimprefs.ini and look for 'bDoDepthOfField'. Make sure it is set to 1.

RaceMenu.esp Active

RaceMenuPlugin.esp Active

Note: RaceMenuPlugin is optional and provides support to alter Height, Breast, Glute and Biceps. If you experience issues with it, disable RaceMenuPlugin.esp and inform the author.

WetandCold.esp Active

SkyUI.esp Active

iHUD.esp Active

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp Active

1nivWICCloaks.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

DragonbornArmorFix.esp Active

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev, Relev}}

Contains dirty edits: 5 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.

Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp Active

Unique Uniques.esp Active

Wandererarmor.esp Active

Dr_Bandolier.esp Active

Dr_BandolierDG.esp Active

IA6npc01.esp Active

BandolierForNPCMasterFile.esp Active

BandolierForNPCsWIC_V2.esp Active

BandolierForNPCsCheaperBandoliers_BalancedWeight_Dawnguard.esp Active

ERSO 03 - Mighty Dragons Unleveled DB.esp Active

Note: Use only one ERSO 03 file.

ERSO 03.3 - Mighty Dawnguard Dragons.esp Active

Note: Use only one ERSO 03.3 file.

ERSO 03.4 - Mighty Dragonborn Dragons.esp Active

Note: Use only one ERSO 03.4 file.

ERSO 03.5 - New Dragon Loots.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

ERSO 04 - Mighty Odahviing.esp Active

ERSO 04.2 - Mighty Durnehviir.esp Active

ERSO 05 - Dovah Holy Book.esp Active

ERSO 06 - Wait More Time Dragon Encounter x3.0.esp Active

ERSO 07 - Mighty Dragon Priests.esp Active

SkyRe_Main.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev, Delev}}

Warning: The SkyRe has many conflicts with other mods. Please read the readme before playing with mod. This will prevent many problems. Read it here.

Note: If lockpicikng is not work then try to delete 'interface\lockpickingmenu.swf'

Note: If you have a problem with aiming try to install this mod.

Note: To make aiming easier, recommend to add the following lines to Skyrim.ini:

Note: [Actor]

Note: fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist=12288.0000

Note: [Combat]

Note: f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64

Note: f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.64

Note: fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0

Note: fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0

SkyRe_Combat.esp Active

SkyRe_CraftingFix.esp Active

SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp Active

SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp Active

SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Relev}}

SkyRe_StandingStones.esp Active

SkyRe_Survivalism.esp Active

ESFCompanions.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 1 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.

HouseOfHorrorsAlternateEnding.esp Active

LocalizedGuildJobs.esp Active

Run For Your Lives.esp Active

Skyrim border control.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 7 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs http://skyrAkaviriGuild.esp

whiterun spruce by revan1199.esp Active

AncientDBarmorTSedition.esp Active

BetterQuestObjectives.esp Active

BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp Active

BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp Active

Headtracking.esp Active

HT_traveltax.esp Active

Immersive Weapons.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

Ket_ARMONIZER_LListsNPC.esp Active

Bash Tag suggestion(s): {{BASH: Delev}}

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp Active

Requires: Dawnguard Compatibility_Patch.

Detailed Cities.esp Active

CinematicFireFX.esp Active

RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp Active

Requires: RND_RWS-Patch.esp

RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp Active

RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp Active

RND_USKP-Patch.esp Active

RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp Active

Predator Vision.esp Active

ToL_Core_by_Brevi.esp Active

BFSEffects.esp Active

DeadlySpellImpacts.esp Active

Night Eye Overhaul.esp Active

NoSneakAttackSound.esp Active

More Dynamic Injuries.esp Active

ACE BYOG.esp Active

ABT - Faster Bolts Improved +100%.esp Active

ABT - Faster Arrows Improved +100%.esp Active

Brows.esp Active

No NPC Greetings.esp Active

mjhKhajiitSpeak.esp Active

Note: This mod overwrites all dialogue enable only when playing Khajiit.

mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dawnguard.esp Active

Note: This mod overwrites all dialogue enable only when playing Khajiit.

mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Hearthfire.esp Active

Note: This mod overwrites all dialogue enable only when playing Khajiit.

mjhKhajiitSpeakDLC - Dragonborn.esp Active

mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Expensive Investments.esp Active

mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Localized Thieves Guild Jobs.esp Active

mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - NPC Bartering.esp Active

mjhKhajiitSpeakMod - Realistic Needs And Diseases.esp Active

Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Active

KhajiitSenseOfSmell.esp Active

SkyRe_Races.esp Active

Purewaters.esp Active

PurewatersDG.esp Active

PurewatersDB.esp Active

RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp Active

Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 3.esp Active

Contains dirty edits: 9 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs TES5Edit cleaning. A cleaning guide is available here.

Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dawnguard.esp Active

ReProccer.esp Active

ReProccerNONPLAYERfix.esp Active

 

 

[bben46]

Most often a CTD in a specific area is related to a mod that was removed - The save game expects to find something in that cell - or one that you can see into - that was removed - probably from a removed mod. Removing a mod does not remove references to it in the saves. :wallbash: Most of the time, the game can recover from missing things, but not every time. A good reason to make a permanent save every time before adding or removing any mods.

 

Whatever it is was required at the time and is still in the save you are currently using. Try to bracket the time - use a very early save and test. Preferably the save you should have made immediately after exiting the cave from Hegen - but any other very early save should do.

 

If the problem is not there - then jump to a more recent save - keep jumping until you narrow down the save that it starts with, then you may be able to identify the mod. If you can identify it, you have the option of reinstalling that mod - which will replace the item in the game - or playing from the point where your game works without that problem mod.

 

Unfortunately, Beth doesn't give an option to edit the save to remove whatever it is that is causing the problem.

[SunnyTheCat]

Looks like you are right. I did load a rather old save game and I went to the same location and didn't crash.

 

Is there any way to clean the save file of the dependencies? Or can I learn what mod was it that I disabled that does this?

[ripple]

BOSS has given you many error messages....

First thing is to download TES5Edit from the link in your BOSS log, follow the instruction on the same page, and clean the plugins flagged by BOSS as containing 'dirty edits.' You'll need to remove identical to master entries as well as undelete/disable deleted references.

Go through the log carefully and look for other error messages like this:

Quote
Skyrim border control.esp Active
Contains dirty edits: 7 ITM, 0 UDR records. Needs http://skyrAkaviriGuild.esp

- have you, at any point, ever had 'SkyTest' installed?
- have you made any edits to the game ini files?
- what is your system specs?

Orphan data in save game is generally not something you need to be concerned about unless they involve papyrus scripts. For the other stuff, you can go to an interior cell with no NPCs and wait for 31 days to force a cell reset (although I think default value for worldspace cell refresh timer is 10 days, it's only dungeons that are 30 days).

 

While you are at it, create a 'SKSE.ini' file using Notepad, include the following setting:

 

[General]

ClearInvalidRegistrations=1

 

and stick the ini file into '.../data/SKSE/..' (create the directory if it's not there already).

Edited April 21, 2013 by ripple

[SunnyTheCat]

Thanks!

- I never installed SkyTest
- I did make changes to .ini files, but the game seemed to be stable so far. I did not change uGridstoLoad
- QuadCore i7, GTX690, 8GB.

I did wait 10 days in interior cell and I did create a SKSE.ini as you instructed. And I still crashed. Any way to force clean cells?

I know that dirty edits are no good, but so far they caused no problem. I've read that cleaning them can break the game completely, so I didn't dare do it yet.

However, since the earlier game save doesn't crash, does this mean that the problem is with some mod I may have uninstalled?

I remember there was some tool for Morrowind that cleaned savegame mod dependencies. Is there something similar for Skyrim?

 

Well this is just great. Only very early savegames load and don't crash, and I don't remember removing any scripted mods since then really. But I don't think I will re-play from that long ago anyway. There's gotta be a way to either force purge cell of mod dependencies or at least check the savegames to see what mods they were made with.

Edited April 21, 2013 by ungvaar

[SunnyTheCat]

I've installed Wrye Smashed and checked for changed mods list. The only thing I removed was UFO mod and I don't think it can be causing this. I'm desperate (

[ripple]

Cleaning won't 'break mods.' Just don't do 'repeat cleanings.' Clean -once- only those plugins flagged by BOSS as containing 'dirty edits' (including the DLCs). You'll need to remove identical to master entries and undelete/disable deleted references (the second one is more important CTD-prevention wise). In spite of some claims that some duplicate to master entries as intended by the mod author, this is in fact not the case in 99.9% of the cases I've checked out. I don't know who started this misconception (it's certainly become rather 'widespread').....but regardless, don't think about this, just do it.

There is no 'safe' method for quickly cleaning orphan script data from save games. Previous Bethesda games did not use papyrus scripting. It takes time for 'ClearInvalidRegistrations' to do it's magic. It's primary purpose (ATM) is to address save game bloat resulting from orphan data in save games. The documentation is in the SKSE readme if you want to check it out.

Since you suspect the CTDs may be related to an uninstalled mod that came with scripts, post your papyrus log. Preferably a log for a game session of at least 10 - 15 minutes before the CTD. So play for a bit then head to the area where you usually crash. Enclose the log in spoiler tags, or if too big, upload to pastebin. Incidentally, do you CTD in exactly the same place, every time (as in this is reproducible), or is it just something that occasionally happens and mostly in that general area (but not always)?

 

While you are at it, since you mentioned you edited the game ini files, post them too, and we'll look them over to see if there is anything amiss.

 

When you uninstalled UFO, did you properly disable the mod in accordance to the author's uninstallation instructions?

Edited April 21, 2013 by ripple

[SunnyTheCat]

Here's the log:

http://pastebin.com/vSkWTV5Q

Anything you can figure out from it?

Cleaned all the dirty edits. Didn't help.

 

But the game did become more stable it seems after I cleaned the dirty edits and removed the mods that *I think* were broken (according to the log above): More Dynamic Injuries and Enhanced Blood Textures.

 

However the game still crashes in between Riverwood and Whiterun (on a bridge that leads out of Riverwood and behind the farm near Whiterun). I take it, there's a broken cell somewhere in between.

Edited April 21, 2013 by ungvaar