Crashing in intro

[PikachuKing]

Hello everyone, I have been playing a modded Skyrim for months without issue, but as of some recent updates I find myself unable to get past the line "that thief over there", as it always seems to get a CTD right as our old friend Ralof starts to say the line.

 

My current load order is as follows;

 

 

GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
ApachiiHair.esm=1
ApachiiHairFemales.esm=1
SPIKE.esm=1
SoS - The Dungeons.esp=1
SoS - The Wilds.esp=1
SoS - Civilization.esp=1
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm=1
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm=1
HighResTexturePack01.esp=1
HighResTexturePack02.esp=1
HighResTexturePack03.esp=1
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1
VLCollisionFix.esp=1
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp=1
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp=1
Chesko_Frostfall.esp=1
Better Dynamic Snow.esp=1
BWS.esp=1
RCFIS.esp=1
Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp=1
mintylightningmod.esp=1
MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp=1
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp=1
StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp=1
Auto Unequip Helmet.esp=1
Better Skill and Quest Books Names.esp=1
Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1
ORM-Arvak.esp=1
Owned.esp=1
PilgrimsDelight.esp=1
Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp=1
RealShelter.esp=1
Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp=1
Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp=1
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp=1
Convenient Horses.esp=1
Convenient Horses - Unique Frost.esp=1
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp=1
DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp=1
SkyUI.esp=1
iHUD.esp=1
HitStop.esp=1
TKRecoil.esp=1
AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp=1
BlackSacramentArmor.esp=1
YsgramorNordicArmourv1.1.esp=1
DuskBreaker.esp=1
BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp=1
Crossbows_Basic_Collection_EN.esp=1
Elemental Staves.esp=1
FA Hide Armor.esp=1
KTAAncientShroudedArmor.esp=1
LustmordVampireArmor.esp=1
Northborn Fur Hoods.esp=1
Space Wiking's Dwemer Exoskeleton.esp=1
URW_Enhanced Crossbows Enhanced.esp=1
HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonborn.esp=1
HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardHearthfireDragonborn.esp=1
lightweight potions and poisons.esp=1
DeadlyDragons.esp=1
SkyRe_Main.esp=1
SkyRe_Combat.esp=1
SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp=1
SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp=1
SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp=1
SkyRe_StandingStones.esp=1
SkyRe_Survivalism.esp=1
SkyRe_HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonbornPatch.esp=1
Unique Uniques.esp=1
HallsOfDovahndor.esp=1
Hunting in Skyrim - No Perks.esp=1
Run For Your Lives.esp=1
When Vampires Attack.esp=1
Black Books Begone.esp=1
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp=1
Wyrmstooth.esp=1
AchieveThat.esp=1
BlockSparkles.esp=1
Distant DetailHF.esp=1
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp=1
PowerOfBlood.esp=1
SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp=1
TheChoiceIsYours.esp=1
TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp=1
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp=1
vImmersiveBeds.esp=1
TGTargetedMayhem.esp=1
torches for RL (infinite life).esp=1
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp=1
ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Cities - Falkreath.esp=1
Chesko_Step418_SN.esp=1
All-MakerStonesPower.esp=1
CinematicFireFX.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1
ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-8.esp=1
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp=1
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp=1
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1
RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp=1
RND_USKP-Patch.esp=1
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1
KnapsackEnhanced.esp=1
mm_BeluaSanguinareRevisitedDialogueFixes.esp=1
mm_BeluaSanguinareRevisitedLootTables.esp=1
mm_BeluaSanguinareRevisitedRefuge.esp=1
mm_BeluaSanguinareRevisitedVampireRace.esp=1
MM_BeluaSangunaireRevisited.esp=1
Predator Vision.esp=1
Revamped Vampire Lord.esp=1
Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp=0 (deactivated)
WerewolfMastery.esp=1
Extra Werewolf Perks.esp=1
DragonbornAscendant.esp=1
DragonbornAscendantDawnguardExpansion.esp=1
DragonbornAscendantDragonbornDLCAddon.esp=1
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp=1
DeadlySpellImpacts - Two Fire.esp=1
More Visible Soul Trap Effect.esp=1
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp=1
DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp=1
Locational Damage.esp=1
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp=1
GDO_Plugin_SkyRe.esp=1
Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp=1
Vampirelordroyal.esp=1
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp=1
SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp=1
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1
CharacterMakingExtender.esp=1
SkyRe_Races.esp=1
Vampire Skin Color Fix.esp=1
changed syntaxes.esp=1
TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp=1
Purewaters.esp=1
PurewatersDG.esp=1
PurewatersDB.esp=1
RND_PureWaters-Patch.esp=1
GreenWaterFix_Compatible.esp=1
WetandCold.esp=1
WetandCold - Ashes.esp=1
TradeBarter.esp=1
barenziahquestmarkers.esp=1
JiubQuestMarkers.esp=1
ReProccer.esp=1

 

 

Any help or insight as to why this is happening would be highly appreciated.

[prod80]

Anything that edits/changes NPC stories, speech, text, etc?

You might want to look at those... load order says nothing as nobody will know out of the top of their heads what is what... Just based on the name of the esp files I'd say 'changed syntaxes.esp' or 'Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp' ?

 

Have you tried to disable all your mods except the DLC's and start a new game to see if it's mod related? If you determine it is, then comes the tedious job of enabling/disabling mods to figure out which one...

[rhowington]

Have you run BOSS? The thing that jumps out to me in your load order is RLO and COT they are not being loaded correctly. This could easily be your problem. COT gives a link to how it should be loaded. The Highres texture packs should be loaded directly below the last ESM then all RLOs then all COTs then the Unofficial patches and finally StaticMeshImprovements Mod. Then load everything else.

[prod80]

CoT and RLO are loaded exactly as told on the RLO site in his order... I use exactly the same with a few mods in between to alter some things in RLO that I didnt like and it works fine... more even so that CoT and RLO cannot cause CTD in any case, even if you place them all over the place and intentionally try to conflict them as much as possible adding even other lighting mods between it - you will not crash - you will just get strange lighting :wink:

Edit: OK not exactly - his Minor Cities is off (should be 2 up) - but that shouldnt cause any issues. It really doesnt matter too much which order they are in... I have frequently messed them around in my load order and even pulled them apart completely... never had issues with them. Only thing to watch out for is not to load other mods which modify the same thing after it, unless you want that mod to overwrite RLO or CoT in that area (example: I want darker dungeons than RLO offers and some extra shadows in a few interiors so I have a mod to modify dungeon lighting and add a few shadows - which I load AFTER RLO because if I load it before my mod will not work properly).

 

I dont think it's possible to crash your game with lighting mods. Or weather for that matter. Actually these days it's extremely hard to crash your game PURELY mod related when using well made and supported mods (which are not trying to change normal game design like Open Cities). INI tweaks are causing way more issues as are texture sizes.

Edited May 6, 2013 by prod80

[Skyes666]

Sounds of Skyrim is known to cause problems. Remove all SoS mods.