Random CTDs in New Save & Load Order Suggestions

[Inthrylius]

So I just decided to start an actual playthrough (ha) of my modded set-up, so this will be the first major actual testing, although I have loaded in numerous times during the modding process and haven't experienced any major crashes (except with trying to run both JK and Great Cities, which would case Dawnstar and Winterhold to crash). I started with LAL in Winterhold to test Obscure's College. What is confusing to me is that I was trying to Discord stream, which happened during the first Winterhold crashes. Once I turned streaming off, I did not experience another crash for +2 hours, only just when I was approaching Windhelm.

 

Here is a rough list of the crashes I received:

- During the scripted scene where Tolfdir is about to give you Lesser Ward

- x2 Leaving Winterhold through the main gate and loading (what I would presume) the next cell, which has some Elk and Wolves (SkyTest + Animallica)

I then turned Discord stream off, and didn't experience a crash until

- Walking down from Winterhold and approaching Windhelm, presumably random crash

 

Here is my mod list/load order, which I have only looked at through LOOT and some manual tweaking so there are probably a lot of issues there:

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
RSkyrimChildren.esm
MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm
BSAssets.esm
LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
Cathedral - 3D Mountain Flowers.esp
3DNPC.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim II.esm
BSHeartland.esm
arnima.esm
BS_DLC_patch.esp
Falskaar.esm
JSwordsD.esm
Vigilant.esm
1wraiths.esl
FISS.esp
Resources - The Great Cities.esp
AHZmoreHUDInventory.esl
Morningstar - Minimalistic Races of Skyrim.esl
SkyUI_SE.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main LITE.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
ELFX - Exteriors.esp
ICNs_ImmersiveCollegeNPCs.esp
Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
Mortal Enemies.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
S3DTrees NextGenerationForests.esp
The Great Cities - Minor Cities and Towns.esp
Folkvangr - Grass and Landscape Overhaul.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
OCW_Obscure's_CollegeofWinterhold.esp
Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp
ELFX Fixes.esp
Dawn of Skyrim.esp
The Great Town of Ivarstead.esp
S3DLandscapes NextGenerationForests.esp
Obsidian Mountain Fogs.esp
WICO - Immersive People_OLD.esp
The Great Town of Karthwasten.esp
The Great Town of Shor's Stone.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
The Great Village of Kynesgrove.esp
The Great Village of Old Hroldan.esp
The Great City of Solitude.esp
OCW_ELFX_FEPatch.esp
OCW_ICNs_OE_FEPatch.esp
The Great Village of Mixwater Mill.esp
Particle Patch for ENB SSE.esp
Man Those Borders!.esp
YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp
Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
ogCannibalDraugr.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Point The Way.esp
Vigilant Voiced.esp
DBM_ISC_Patch.esp
ZIA_Complete Pack.esp
EmbersHD.esp
OCW_LotD_FEPatch.esp
SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
TheNorthernerDiaries.esp
Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp
Cloaks.esp
Cloaks of Skyrim - Double Cloak Fix.esp
True Weapons.esp
DBM_RSChildren_Patch.esp
DBM_RuinsClutterImproved_Patch.esp
DBM_SMIM_Patch.esp
Eimar's Edge.esp
Nemesis PCEA.esp
TakeNotes.esp
Grass FPS Booster.esp
OCW_AO_FEPatch.esp
DBM_SkyTEST_Patch.esp
OBIS SE.esp
DBM_BeyondReach_Patch.esp
DBM_HelgenReborn_Patch.esp
OCW_TGCs_FEPatch.esp
DBM_OBIS_Patch.esp
Arcanum.esp
PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
OCW_A-aNAoM_FEPatch.esp
1SixthHouse.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
Hunterborn.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
LeanWolfs Aemers Refuge SE.esp
DBM_Vigilant_Patch.esp
DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp
SpellResearch.esp
EEKs Noble Whiterun Door.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
GrahlsOnSolstheim.esp
DIS_Heavy_Legion.esp
WICO - Immersive People.esp
WICO - USSEP Compatible Patch.esp
Bijin_AIO 2018.esp
DBM_IW_Patch.esp
OCW_CRF_FEPatch.esp
OCW_3DTaP_FEPatch.esp
OCW_WACCF_FEPatch.esp
OCW_SR_FEPatch.esp
OCW_3DNPC_FEPatch.esp
LoS II - CRF patch.esp
DBM_ELFXExteriors_Patch.esp
ogFalkreathHauntings.esp
DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
DBM_WACCF_Patch.esp
DBM_AOS_Patch.esp
DBM_ELFX_Patch.esp
DBM_Wintersun_Patch.esp
DBM_JaysusSwords_Patch.esp
DBM_SUT_Patch.esp
ForgottenCity.esp
3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp
DBM_S3DTrees_Patch.esp
3DNPC - LoS II - Tamriel Master Lights addon.esp
1Shalk.esp
Falskaar - Bug Fixes.esp
DBM_NewLegion_Patch.esp
DBM_Falskaar_Patch.esp
DBM_TGCoS_Patch.esp
DBM_DawnofSkyrimDC_Patch.esp
DBM_ForgottenCity_Patch.esp
DBM_IA_Patch.esp
DBM_HA_Patch.esp
LostLongSwords.esp
JSwords-ImmersiveWeaponsPatch.esp
ogBogmort.esp
1Daedroths.esp
OCW_ELFXE_FEPatch.esp
Lucien.esp
DBM_TheGreatCitiesMinor_Patch.esp
TGVoMM - 3DNPC patch.esp
OCW_AR_FEPatch.esp
Animallica.esp
Skytest Animallica.esp
AFT - Dragonborn Patch.esp
Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
DSer360MovementBehavior.esp
AOS_ISC_Integration.esp
Bijin NPCs.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
Cathedral Weathers.esp
CathedralWeatherMCM.esp
iEquip.esp
DSerCombatGameplayOverhaul.esp
AOS_EBT LITE Patch.esp
ISC - EBM LITE.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Hunterborn Patch.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Lore Weapon Expansion Patch.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
Dirt and Blood - Dynamic Visuals.esp
DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
EVGConditionalIdles.esp
Embers XD - Patch - ELFX.esp
Footprints.esp
Footprints - ENB.esp
iHUD.esp
ImmersiveSpellLearning.esp
ForgottenCityBruma.esp
3DNPC - CRF Patch.esp
SmoothCam.esp
dD-No Screen Blood.esp
No Vendor or Loot Spells SE.esp
WardsFunctionalitiesExtended.esp
WardsFunctionalitiesExtended - CuttingRoomFloor Patch.esp
PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp
RASS - Visual Effects.esp
RSC CRF Patch.esp
RSC Falskaar Patch.esp
RSC HR Patch.esp
RSC Beyond Reach Patch.esp
RSC Forgotten City Patch.esp
RSC 3DNPC Patch.esp
RSChildren Patch - BS Bruma.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RealRainSE.esp
SimplyBalanced.esp
MortalSkyTestPatch.esp
Spell Research - Patch Compendium.esp
ogSplendorDragons.esp
StormLightning.esp
TKDodge.esp
UltimateCombat.esp
Summermyst - WACCF Patch.esp
WICO - Immersive Character.esp
WM Flora Fixes.esp
AOS_Cathedral Weathers Patch.esp
WendigoAndHowler.esp
WondersofWeather.esp
YeOlde - MCM Settings.esp
Falskaar - SkyTEST and Bruma Patch.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
3DNPC0.esp
LoS II - Bruma patch.esp
PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp
RSChildren.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
WICO - Immersive Dawnguard.esp
YOT - Cutting Room Floor.esp
YOT - Hunterborn.esp
YOT - Immersive Sounds.esp
YOT - Interesting NPCs.esp
YOT - Morningstar.esp
YOT - OCW.esp
YOT - Summermyst.esp
YOT - Thunderchild.esp
YOT - Wildcat.esp
YOT - Wintersun.esp
LoS II - LotD patch.esp
NotSoFast-MageGuild.esp
USSEP - The Great City of Solitude Patch.esp
DVLaSS Skyrim Underside.esp
FireBurns.esp
Containers and Leveled Lists Fixes.esp
CLLF - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp
Unique Loot - Weapons.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remastered.esp
True Weapons - CCOR Support.esp
Cloaks_CCOR_Patch.esp
Immersive Weapons_CCOR_Patch.esp
PrvtI_HeavyArmory_CCOR_Patch.esp
CCOR_JSwords_Patch.esp
CCOR_JSwords_PrvtI_HeavyArmory_Patch.esp
DBM_CCOR_Patch.esp
DBM_CloaksofSkyrim_Patch.esp
DBM_CoSRetexture_Patch.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation_CCOR_Patch.esp
Smithing Perks Overhaul SE.esp
Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
CACO_Beyond Skyrim Bruma_Patch.esp
DBM_CACO_Patch.esp
CLLF - CACO Patch.esp
OMEGA AOS CACO Patch.esp
CACO_Falskaar_Patch.esp
Hunterborn_CACO-SE_Patch.esp
S3DTrees - CACO Patch.esp
Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul_CCOR_Patch.esp
CACO_USSEP_Patch.esp
CACO_Wintersun.esp
OMEGA Beyond Skyrim DLC CACO Patch.esp
OMEGA WACCF CACO Patch.esp
OMEGA LOTD CACO.esp
OMEGA SkyTEST CACO Patch.esp
Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Apocalypse - Waterstride Spell Addon.esp
No Vendor or Loot Spells SE - Apocalypse.esp
Dodgeable Apocalypse.esp
Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
CACO_Ordinator_Patch.esp
YOT - Ordinator.esp
CCOR_Ordinator.esp
SPO_Ordinator_Patch.esp
YOT - Apocalypse.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
BUVARP.esp
DBM_BUVARP_Patch.esp
RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
CH BRU_BRE_FAL_VIG.esp
RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
YOT - Andromeda.esp
YOT - BUVARP.esp
YOT - Convenient Horses.esp
ELFXEnhancer.esp
OCW_CellSettings.esp
ELFX Fixes Ragged Flagon Fix.esp
Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp
Water for ENB.esp
WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
MajesticMountains.esp
WoW Dragon Mounds CTD Fix.esp
LoS II - SMIM patch.esp
ENB Light.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Guards_Armor_Replacer.esp
DBM_GuardsArmorReplacer_Patch.esp
Paper World Map.esp
Paper World Map Unofficial Fix - Vanilla.esp

 

 

I suspected it might be too many temporary files/reaching the reference handle cap due to the major DLC-sized mods I recently installed, but after running the xEdit script I only came to around 300,000 items total. My next plan was to remove Immersive Citizens and replace it with AI Overhaul and its related patches, to lighten the script order a bit.

 

If you have an ideas please let me know, either on this particular issue or general load order tweaks.

 

EDIT: I am also running Rudy ENB for Cathedral Weathers, if that wasn't clear through my load order.

[Helmsmasher]

What are your system specs? This sounds like a case of your game running out of RAM/VRAM upon loading the next cell.

[Inthrylius]

Oh sorry, should have posted those as well.

 

NVIDIA RTX 3060 Ti 8GB VRAM

Intel® Core i7-10700F CPU @ 2.90GHz

16 GB RAM

 

I do monitor my game with MSI Afterburner, and had to uninstall my 4K textures to keep me below the limit. But now I've been hovering around 7GB VRAM and maybe 12-13GB RAM usage. Perhaps it spikes going into a new cell and crashes before Afterburner can register it?

[Helmsmasher]

Quite possibly, what resolution are you running if I may ask?