Random CTD's and saves won't load

[Texximus]

Hey all... I keep getting random CTD's which I'm used to... it happens... but when I try to load the last save or even 2 or 3 saves back it just sits at the loading animation. Taskmanager says Skyrim is not responding and I've also noticed everytime this happens the memory usage is around or over 2million k. I've re-installed the game, tried no mods still happens. I even bought a SSD hard drive to install just skyrim on and still have issue. Ideas? If ya want I can list my mods but would need assistance cuz I don't know how to do that other than open up NMM and manually typing them all in. Any help would rock!

[WolvenEdge]

>ears perk< If you are using a windows computer, then you can screenshot your modlist by just pressing the 'print screen/sysRq' button. Then just open Paint and ctrl-V it in, then save it as a jpg to wherever you can find it on your computer. Easiest way I have found of keeping track of my working modlist.

 

>head tilt left, ears droop< I have the random CTD also, but I have had no problem reopening my saves. Do you have similar issues with other steam games?

[prod80]

umm, modlist is simply here; %userprofile%\appdata\local\skyrim\plugins.txt

 

 

Have you changed your skyrim ini files, by any chance... and if so, what have you changed..? skyrim without mods eating 2GB+ mem !?

[Texximus]

>ears perk< If you are using a windows computer, then you can screenshot your modlist by just pressing the 'print screen/sysRq' button. Then just open Paint and ctrl-V it in, then save it as a jpg to wherever you can find it on your computer. Easiest way I have found of keeping track of my working modlist.

 

>head tilt left, ears droop< I have the random CTD also, but I have had no problem reopening my saves. Do you have similar issues with other steam games?

Sweet... here's the list of mods... I am using Wyre, Boss, NMM, TES5 etc where applicable. I've tried different enbs but that makes it worse.

 

 

 

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHairMales.esm

AzarHair.esm

RaceCompatibility.esm

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

3rdEraWeaponsMoS.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

EagleEyePerk.esm

GeneralStores.esm

JSwords.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

Omegared99-Compilation.esm

SkyMoMod.esm

SPIKE.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

unofficial dragonborn patch.esp

unofficial high resolution patch.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

TradeBarter.esp

AV1Dragon_Lords.esp

betteranimals.esp

Book Covers Skyrim.esp

CraftableCloudStorage(GS).esp

Decorator Assistant - SKSE.esp

DragonbornDisenchanting.esp

enhancedgameplay-extendedwe.esp

GDAmulets.esp

HearthFireStores(GS).esp

here there be monsters.esp

Immersive Battles.esp

Immersive Brigands.esp

Immersive Dawnguard.esp

Immersive Factions.esp

Immersive Mercenaries.esp

Immersive Patrols.esp

Immersive Travelers.esp

Immersive Werewolves.esp

jbs_gem_cutting.esp

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - The Goddess ENB.esp

UnlimitedBookshelves.esp

Lost Art of the Blacksmith.esp

More Craftables.esp

Convertible Azura's Star.esp

Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE.esp

smithing&clothings_variety_mod.esp

ValsCraftingMeltdownAlpha.esp

YngolBarrowButtonFix.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp

DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

Mark Books as Read.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

SkyUI.esp

iHUD.esp

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

Andragorn's Armoury.esp

AsharaPrinceOfTheWoods.esp

AsharaRadiantRaiment.esp

black mage armor.esp

BloodWitchArmor.esp

Craftable Artifacts.esp

diamondarchery.esp

ElvenWeaponry.esp

GDRangerArmor.esp

GDAttire.esp

GDWeaponry.esp

HBetterBows.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

HuntressArmor.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

lanterns.esp

LustmordVampireArmor.esp

Newermind Bow Collection.esp

Nicos Craftable Arrows.esp

Nicoroshi Creations.esp

NobleFemaleClothes.esp

Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp

scoutarmor.esp

skyforgedShields.esp

svs L&M.esp

TaliArmor.esp

TrissArmorRetextured.esp

UltraVision.esp

Unique Uniques.esp

WeaponsOf3E.esp

WeaponsOf3E - No Leveled Lists.esp

3rdEraWeapMoS-lvlList.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul - BS version.esp

ERSO 01 - VRR only new heights.esp

ERSO 02 - EFMS very bigger giant mammoths.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

ERSO 03 - Nightmare Mighty Dragons Unleveled.esp

ERSO 04 - Mighty Odahviing.esp

ERSO 04.2 - Mighty Durnehviir.esp

ERSO 05 - Dovah Holy Book.esp

ERSO 07 - Super Mighty Dragon Priests.esp

ERSO 08 - RUS-00 Main plus Dawnguard Dragonborn.esp

ERSO 08.1 - ERSO EXTREME MIRAAK.esp

ERSO 08.2 - ERSO EXTREME HARKON.esp

ERSO 09 - Vendor Trainer Quest-giver protected.esp

ERSO 09.2 - Radiance.esp

ERSO 10 - RUS-(SIM)-Travellers and Adventurers.esp

ERSO 10.02 - Adventurers and Travelers.esp

ERSO 11 - RUS-(SIM)-Assassins and Thieves.esp

ERSO 12 - RUS-(SIM)-Werewolves.esp

ERSO 18 - LAWE Hardcore.esp

ERSO 21.01 PM Dungeons.esp

ERSO 21.02 PM Blackreach.esp

ERSO 21.03 PM Dwemer.esp

MIDFollowMeCloser.esp

Monster Wars.esp

quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp

bettercitiesnewfarm.esp

bettercitiesdocksolitude.esp

bettercitiesmorebees.esp

bettercitiesjarlshouses.esp

betterdawnstar.esp

bettermarkarthexterieur.esp

betterwinterhold.esp

CZHCAD.esp

CZHCAD_DG.esp

CZHCAD_HF.esp

ElysiumEstate.esp

tos_granitehall.esp

Immersive Events.esp

quest_nomercy.esp

quest_pitfighter.esp

quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp

quest_sorcery.esp

quest_seaofghosts.esp

the asteria - dwemer airship.esp

quest_thebiggertheyare.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

towBlockSteal.esp

wyrmstooth.esp

Zamfir's Archery Emporium.esp

female mannequins.esp

female mannequins in homes.esp

Masters of Death.esp

armored-horses.esp

betterfactionscomplete.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Weightless).esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Weightless).esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (PseudoVanilla).esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp

Better Skill and Quest Books Names - BS.esp

giant_giants_and_mammoths.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Headtracking.esp

hfsm.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

UnreadBooksGlow.esp

tos_amber_guard.esp

tos_laintardale.esp

tos_laintardale_hf.esp

tos_oakwood_hf.esp

Realistic Lighting.esp

Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp

private_nokillblur_test.esp

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp

ABT - Faster Bolts Improved +100%.esp

ABT - Faster Arrows Improved +100%.esp

ABT - Increased Bolts Damage (BS and CCO) +50%.esp

ABT - Increased Progressive Damage (BS and CCO) +150%.esp

Sneak Tools.esp

Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp

Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

LovelyHairstylesLITE.esp

3DNPC.esp

HousecarlBeauties.esp

Spousetocustomhome.esp

ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp

WATER.esp

WATER Plants.esp

WATER DB Waves.esp

GeneralStores(CCS-DG-HF).esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

vAutosaveManager.esp

LessIntrusiveHUD.esp

uniquebows.esp

all hair colors for all races.esp

bee.esp

betterdawnguard.esp

betterfire.esp

blackglasst.esp

Candlelight_Toggle_x6.esp

collectors crypt.esp

Crossbows_Basic_Collection_EN_LL.esp

disenchantuniqueitemsdlc.esp

Dogs-of-Skyrim.esp

dragonborn craftable.esp

dragonborndlccraftingmaterials.esp

dragonbornsupplies.esp

DudestiaOutfitChanger.esp

dunmerthief.esp

easymine.esp

egp2.esp

enhancedgameplay-randomizedleveledobjects.esp

enhancedhighhrothgarbymat.esp

fortheljarchen.esp

fortwinstad.esp

fzbuildablehouse.esp

GoTS.esp

hearthfire supplies merchant.esp

helgenrebuilt.esp

here there be monsters - call of cthulhu.esp

kkdrbreplacer.esp

lanterns dragonborn.esp

A Perfect Assasin.esp

marchanditinerant.esp

new morthal.esp

new ravenrock.esp

newplaceddawnguard.esp

newplacehermaeusshrine.esp

OpulentOutfitsV2Universal.esp

Organized Books v1.2.esp

quickshot60.esp

Realistic Lighting Addon.esp

skyrim overhaul guilds.esp

skyrimoverhauldragonborn.esp

SupremeCandleLight.esp

The Ningheim.esp

Unique Uniques - Craftable Dragonbane.esp

Automatic Variants.esp

[Texximus]

I'm a mod addict... I know it... I tried to go to meetings but there's always a mod along the way... everytime I cut down on the mods something new & shiney comes out that I HAVE TO HAVE. Oh and here's my system specs...

 

AMD FX 8350

Sabertooth 990FX/Gen3 R2.0 motherboard

Cooler Master Seidon 240M Liquid/Water CPU Cooler

G.SKILL Ripjaws X series 16GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

GeForce GTX 560 ti (had to skimp on the card to put in SSDs

 

So that being said... wtf am I having issues lol

[ripple]

Load orders are pretty useless these days, can you replace your load order with a BOSS log (with the messages), including the list of plugins not recognized by BOSS if one is generated. Enclose them in spoiler tags so they don't clutter the screen. Also, if you can answer the following:

 

- have you installed any mods that do not come with plugins (and therefore won't show up in a BOSS log), like texture replacers? If so, list them too (enclose the list in spoiler tags).

- have you made any edits to the game ini files? If so, copy/paste the contents of the game ini files into a spoiler tag.

Edited May 14, 2013 by ripple

[WolvenEdge]

>ears down and back, eyes wide< that. . . is a lot of mods. What size is your page file(virtual RAM)? If your processor is bottlenecking your graphics (I counted three HD tex packs, not including lighting overhauls and other graphics-intensive eye candy), I would suggest getting the IOBit GameBooster or other similar software to lighten the load on it a bit. If your GPU and video ram is the problem, then find a good streamlined card, one that will fit even with the SSDs. I know ATI doesn't have the same level of graphical control as NVidia, but the cards work well anyway and also come with their own cooling systems, good overclocking interface, and massive video ram even in just the 7000 series. Check your task manager to see how much of your processor and page file are being used as a gage of how much stress you are putting on the system. If you are overfilling ram, bottlenecking either your CPU or GPU, or just overwriting textures between packs often enough that the game has trouble loading, then just drop some of the extra eye candy.

 

>ears droop< Sorry if that doesn't help, it's all I've got.

[Texximus]

I don't know how to do the spoiler thing... as far as my vram it's set static 24423mb.

 

 

 

Load orders are pretty useless these days, can you replace your load order with a BOSS log (with the messages), including the list of plugins not recognized by BOSS if one is generated. Enclose them in spoiler tags so they don't clutter the screen. Also, if you can answer the following:

 

- have you installed any mods that do not come with plugins (and therefore won't show up in a BOSS log), like texture replacers? If so, list them too (enclose the list in spoiler tags).

- have you made any edits to the game ini files? If so, copy/paste the contents of the game ini files into a spoiler tag.

Yeah I'm thinking of what to drop... really not sure what to give up... again I'm a mod junky... do I REALLY care about WATER??? etc...

[ripple]

Type the following, without the spaces:

 

[ s p o i l e r ]

copy/paste a log here

[ / s p o i l e r ]

 

Repeat for all the requested logs.

 

Don't uninstall anything, yet.

[grtim5]

>ears down and back, eyes wide< that. . . is a lot of mods. What size is your page file(virtual RAM)? If your processor is bottlenecking your graphics (I counted three HD tex packs, not including lighting overhauls and other graphics-intensive eye candy), I would suggest getting the IOBit GameBooster or other similar software to lighten the load on it a bit. If your GPU and video ram is the problem, then find a good streamlined card, one that will fit even with the SSDs. I know ATI doesn't have the same level of graphical control as NVidia, but the cards work well anyway and also come with their own cooling systems, good overclocking interface, and massive video ram even in just the 7000 series. Check your task manager to see how much of your processor and page file are being used as a gage of how much stress you are putting on the system. If you are overfilling ram, bottlenecking either your CPU or GPU, or just overwriting textures between packs often enough that the game has trouble loading, then just drop some of the extra eye candy.

 

>ears droop< Sorry if that doesn't help, it's all I've got.

 

 

 

 

The issue here is not a hardware one at all... You hit briefly upon the real issue...but the VRAM has nothing to do with it...

 

The drivers use the pagefile to adjust to whatever the hardware VRAM of the card is this is part of the API layer that allows a modern game to function.

 

What occurs though is that the Windows Default is that it is on your "C" drive and that it is managed by Windows... Both not good...

 

so go into your,

 

Control panel/System/Advanced System Settings/Advanced tab/performance/settings/advanced tab/virtual memory/change

 

you will find that windows has defaulted to the "C" drive... and that it is being managed by windows... this you can do a few things that solve the issue..

 

You have 16 GB system memory... You want a custom sized page file 8GB Min (initial) and then up to your 16GB Max.

 

you need to set the PAGEFILE to a different drive than your O/S and when you do this it will require a re-boot. Come back to the same place after to confirm the changes in the pagefile.

 

 

That should stop the the pregnant duck effect, and reduce lag as well as give the drivers more virtual memory... The game is a 32 bit application.

 

There are review after review at HardOCP and Anandtech that show VRAM does not effect frame rates in fact the 4 GB cards are no real help other that at extreme resolution (IE Exceeding 2560 x 1600) HardOCP did it with a heavily modded skyrim as well..