Random CTD's and saves won't load

[Texximus]

I found culprit in my case: it's Expanded Diversity optional for Skyrim Flora Overhaul. Disabling it made CTD to go away.

@Texximus

I looked at your load order and all I can say is that your save is beyond the hope. You really need to cut out number of mods running and start new game. That's the only option.

Just post your new load order before starting anew.

I've resigned to that fact... it's just finding which ones. Before I load any new mod I always check compatibility in description but thats not always accurate I know. I wish I knew which mods were the problem. I have a lot of added, weaps, textures, utilities, beatuification etc mods. And I don't have enough knowledge to determine how to figure that out.

[ripple]

Is that the 32 bit or the 64 bit version?

[Texximus]

Is that the 32 bit or the 64 bit version?

64bit I've just started a new game and am about to head to Riverwood.... <shudders>

[Texximus]

Well got sidetracked into Oakwood and crashed after a few minutes in the Inn. I love this game so much and have already beaten it in Vanilla.. now I just want a pretty version so to speak along with the DLC's. Is that so much to ask?

[Texximus]

Well besides a few CTD's and having to back track a couple saves now & then its' running better overall. The CTD's don't happen anywhere near as much as they did before. And I read somwhere that if you save a game then quit right away that can create a corrupt save file.

 

Man so much information overload and yeah still not completely resolved and some of the suggestions you awesome folks have made are WAY over my head. Guess I can just keep "plugin" away... see what I did there hehe

[ripple]

And I read somwhere that if you save a game then quit right away that can create a corrupt save file.

 

I've never heard this one (and I do it all the time). Are you sure you didn't mistake it with something like 'don't keep saving over the same save game slot'? Because that will contribute to corrupt saves.

 

If the situation has not really improved that much, and you feel the CTDs are still too frequent for your taste, the last thing that can be explored is a complete reinstall of the game and (a more modest number of) mods. If you do this, I recommend you use a mod manger like the 'Mod Organizer', which won't install mods directly into the game data folder (so if, by chance, you ever need to do another 'full reinstall', you actually won't need to 'reinstall' the game because there will be no loose files in the game data folder, if you installed all your mods via the MO). You can list the mods you'd like to 'add back' to the new installation, and I am sure many users will drop by to let you know their own experiences with such mods. Aside from that, I can't think of anything else to try.

[Texximus]

Well this is overwhelming. I'm not getting CTD's per se but they may as well be... the game just locks up not responding... there's be several times since the cleaning that's I've had to go back a few saves when loading. I'm thinking the full install is what I need. I've never heard of or used Mod Manager... just NMM, Wyre, BOSS. If anyone can take a look at my mod list and let me know if there's know crap with it then I know what to exclude.

 

Here's the list

 

 

 

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHairMales.esm

AzarHair.esm

RaceCompatibility.esm

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

3rdEraWeaponsMoS.esm

EagleEyePerk.esm

GeneralStores.esm

JSwords.esm

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm

SkyMoMod.esm

SPIKE.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

unofficial dragonborn patch.esp

unofficial high resolution patch.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

TradeBarter.esp

AV1Dragon_Lords.esp

betteranimals.esp

Book Covers Skyrim.esp

CraftableCloudStorage(GS).esp

Decorator Assistant - SKSE.esp

DragonbornDisenchanting.esp

enhancedgameplay-extendedwe.esp

GDAmulets.esp

HearthFireStores(GS).esp

here there be monsters.esp

Immersive Battles.esp

Immersive Brigands.esp

Immersive Dawnguard.esp

Immersive Factions.esp

Immersive Mercenaries.esp

Immersive Patrols.esp

Immersive Travelers.esp

Immersive Werewolves.esp

jbs_gem_cutting.esp

Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - The Goddess ENB.esp

UnlimitedBookshelves.esp

Lost Art of the Blacksmith.esp

More Craftables.esp

Convertible Azura's Star.esp

Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and BOOZE.esp

smithing&clothings_variety_mod.esp

ValsCraftingMeltdownAlpha.esp

YngolBarrowButtonFix.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp

DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

Mark Books as Read.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

SkyUI.esp

iHUD.esp

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

Andragorn's Armoury.esp

AsharaPrinceOfTheWoods.esp

black mage armor.esp

BloodWitchArmor.esp

Craftable Artifacts.esp

diamondarchery.esp

ElvenWeaponry.esp

GDRangerArmor.esp

GDAttire.esp

GDWeaponry.esp

HBetterBows.esp

hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

HuntressArmor.esp

JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp

lanterns.esp

LustmordVampireArmor.esp

Newermind Bow Collection.esp

Nicos Craftable Arrows.esp

Nicoroshi Creations.esp

NobleFemaleClothes.esp

scoutarmor.esp

skyforgedShields.esp

TaliArmor.esp

TrissArmorRetextured.esp

UltraVision.esp

Unique Uniques.esp

WeaponsOf3E.esp

WeaponsOf3E - No Leveled Lists.esp

3rdEraWeapMoS-lvlList.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul - BS version.esp

ERSO 01 - VRR only new heights.esp

ERSO 02 - EFMS very bigger giant mammoths.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

ERSO 03 - Nightmare Mighty Dragons Unleveled.esp

ERSO 04 - Mighty Odahviing.esp

ERSO 04.2 - Mighty Durnehviir.esp

ERSO 05 - Dovah Holy Book.esp

ERSO 07 - Super Mighty Dragon Priests.esp

ERSO 08 - RUS-00 Main plus Dawnguard Dragonborn.esp

ERSO 08.1 - ERSO EXTREME MIRAAK.esp

ERSO 08.2 - ERSO EXTREME HARKON.esp

ERSO 09 - Vendor Trainer Quest-giver protected.esp

ERSO 09.2 - Radiance.esp

ERSO 10 - RUS-(SIM)-Travellers and Adventurers.esp

ERSO 10.02 - Adventurers and Travelers.esp

ERSO 11 - RUS-(SIM)-Assassins and Thieves.esp

ERSO 12 - RUS-(SIM)-Werewolves.esp

ERSO 18 - LAWE Hardcore.esp

ERSO 21.01 PM Dungeons.esp

ERSO 21.02 PM Blackreach.esp

ERSO 21.03 PM Dwemer.esp

MIDFollowMeCloser.esp

Monster Wars.esp

quest_andtherealmsofdaedra.esp

CZHCAD.esp

CZHCAD_DG.esp

CZHCAD_HF.esp

ElysiumEstate.esp

tos_granitehall.esp

Immersive Events.esp

quest_nomercy.esp

quest_pitfighter.esp

quest_pitfighter_dlc01.esp

quest_sorcery.esp

quest_seaofghosts.esp

the asteria - dwemer airship.esp

quest_thebiggertheyare.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

towBlockSteal.esp

wyrmstooth.esp

Zamfir's Archery Emporium.esp

female mannequins.esp

female mannequins in homes.esp

Masters of Death.esp

armored-horses.esp

betterfactionscomplete.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Books.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Food (Weightless).esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Ingredients.esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Potions (Weightless).esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Soul Gems (PseudoVanilla).esp

Headbomb's Better Sorting - Spells.esp

Better Skill and Quest Books Names - BS.esp

giant_giants_and_mammoths.esp

Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

Headtracking.esp

hfsm.esp

Immersive Weapons.esp

UnreadBooksGlow.esp

tos_amber_guard.esp

tos_laintardale.esp

tos_laintardale_hf.esp

tos_oakwood_hf.esp

Realistic Lighting.esp

Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp

Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp

private_nokillblur_test.esp

Crimson Tide - Blood.esp

ABT - Faster Bolts Improved +100%.esp

ABT - Faster Arrows Improved +100%.esp

ABT - Increased Bolts Damage (BS and CCO) +50%.esp

ABT - Increased Progressive Damage (BS and CCO) +150%.esp

Sneak Tools.esp

Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp

Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp

LovelyHairstylesLITE.esp

3DNPC.esp

HousecarlBeauties.esp

Spousetocustomhome.esp

ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp

WATER.esp

WATER Plants.esp

WATER DB Waves.esp

GeneralStores(CCS-DG-HF).esp

vAutosaveManager.esp

uniquebows.esp

all hair colors for all races.esp

betterdawnguard.esp

blackglasst.esp

Candlelight_Toggle_x6.esp

collectors crypt.esp

disenchantuniqueitemsdlc.esp

Dogs-of-Skyrim.esp

dragonborn craftable.esp

dragonborndlccraftingmaterials.esp

dragonbornsupplies.esp

DudestiaOutfitChanger.esp

easymine.esp

egp2.esp

enhancedgameplay-randomizedleveledobjects.esp

fzbuildablehouse.esp

GoTS.esp

hearthfire supplies merchant.esp

here there be monsters - call of cthulhu.esp

kkdrbreplacer.esp

lanterns dragonborn.esp

A Perfect Assasin.esp

OpulentOutfitsV2Universal.esp

Organized Books v1.2.esp

quickshot60.esp

Realistic Lighting Addon.esp

skyrim overhaul guilds.esp

skyrimoverhauldragonborn.esp

SupremeCandleLight.esp

The Ningheim.esp

Unique Uniques - Craftable Dragonbane.esp

OpulentOutfitsSet2Dark_UniversalAddon.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Automatic Variants.esp

[ripple]

I would get rid of 'Immersive Patrols' and all of its optional plugins. It's a great concept but any mod that adds more spawns and spawn points to the worldspace will make the worldspace inherently less stable. Most of the time, it's not the fault of the mods, just a limitation of the game engine. It's why vanilla Skyrim has the population of a post-apocalyptic world. If you run all of IP's plugins along with the ERSO plugins that add even more spawns in the worldspace, it's bound to create trouble. A mod like 'Interesting NPCs' is quite different from IP, and would be fine, because it adds unique NPCs, sparsely, and mostly in city spaces and interior cells, as to minimize any performance or stability impact.

 

You might also consider using something like 'Texture Optimizer' to compress the AV packages you want to use, and be selective about which AV packages you use. When I was collecting AV packages, one of the things I noticed was that not all AV packages were of equal quality. 4K textures for AV is just insane. Imagine multiple spawns of the same creature type using different 4K textures--that's just unnecessarily punishing the GPU. In fact, I suggest using TO to compress all AV textures to 1K or less (actually, I should do that myself, as I am fairly certain I've downloaded a couple of 'new' AV textures that were 2K). An efficient way to do this is to extract your AV packages into a 'work folder', use TO to compress them, then repackage those textures so you can install them using NMM or MO (when you reinstall).

 

If you are using ENB, I'd recommend getting rid of it or switching to a more 'performance oriented' ENB.

 

You'll have to start a new game, of course. There isn't any point to reinstalling without starting a new game. The idea is that you will have a completely 'fresh start', and hopefully, if you do everything 'right' from the beginning, including careful selection of which mods you will install, it will prevent more problems from occurring down the road.

Edited May 21, 2013 by ripple

[Texximus]

I would get rid of 'Immersive Patrols' and all of its optional plugins. It's a great concept but any mod that adds more spawns and spawn points to the worldspace will make the worldspace inherently less stable. Most of the time, it's not the fault of the mods, just a limitation of the game engine. It's why vanilla Skyrim has the population of a post-apocalyptic world. If you run all of IP's plugins along with the ERSO plugins that add even more spawns in the worldspace, it's bound to create trouble. A mod like 'Interesting NPCs' is quite different from IP, and would be fine, because it adds unique NPCs, sparsely, and mostly in city spaces and interior cells, as to minimize any performance or stability impact.

 

You might also consider using something like 'Texture Optimizer' to compress the AV packages you want to use, and be selective about which AV packages you use. When I was collecting AV packages, one of the things I noticed was that not all AV packages were of equal quality. 4K textures for AV is just insane. Imagine multiple spawns of the same creature type using different 4K textures--that's just unnecessarily punishing the GPU. In fact, I suggest using TO to compress all AV textures to 1K or less (actually, I should do that myself, as I am fairly certain I've downloaded a couple of 'new' AV textures that were 2K). An efficient way to do this is to extract your AV packages into a 'work folder', use TO to compress them, then repackage those textures so you can install them using NMM or MO (when you reinstall).

 

If you are using ENB, I'd recommend getting rid of it or switching to a more 'performance oriented' ENB.

 

You'll have to start a new game, of course. There isn't any point to reinstalling without starting a new game. The idea is that you will have a completely 'fresh start', and hopefully, if you do everything 'right' from the beginning, including careful selection of which mods you will install, it will prevent more problems from occurring down the road.

So there's no avoiding a fresh install then... thank you for the insight on the Immersive patrols mods... I wasn't aware of the problems it can cause. Going forward... and I'm not sure how to tell.. I would like to only use mods that were created after the Creation Kit was released.

[Texximus]

What do you think about the overhaul mods... specifically: Skyrim overhaul: Guilds and followers, Skyrim Overhaul: Enemies and Skyrim overhaul: Factions?