An Idea (Alternate ending to Dead Money)

[Kataspie]

Playing through and almost finishing Dead Money something occurred to me during the conversation with Christine and keeping in mind the bit where she mentions or symbolises that she is not leaving the Sierra Madre because she wants to make sure no one else can use it to hurt others.

 

But also bearing in mind that Father Elijah is the common factor between Veronica and Christine and that it is most likely Veronica that Christine was cut off from and vice versa. it would actually make more sense to me to be able to offer Christine an alternate plan that would enable her to be able to come back to the Mojave and be reunited with Veronica.

 

The plan? Offer Christine to take everything we can carry between us from Sinclair's vault. And using Christine's perk to make more Sierra Madre chips get some Demolition Charges from the vending machine and plant them in the vault and on ther upper levels where Vera's suite is. The blow the place, Raze it to the ground. That way Christine can rest assured that no one else can use it for evil purposes yet she can get some healing TLC from Veronica and I get to have two of my favourite companions in the Mojave. Especially if it was "Unlimited Companions" mod compatible. Not to mention with me being a Paladin the best place to store the gear from the vault would be hidden Valley Bunker.

 

Knowing how things go though a mod like that would more likely be more work then it is worth. Just thinking out loud. (so to speak)

[VaultPi]

I suggested something simular called sappho-ly ever after

[Cyberweasel89]

That's actually what I plan to do in Unknown Origins, my Fallout: New Vegas fanfic. I'm in the midst of writing the Dead Money chapters now. First Dead Money chapter is already on fanfiction.net. I'm Cyberweasel89 on there, too.

 

I also plan for Follows-Chalk, Roxie, and Ulysses to return to the Mojave with my Courier when I write up the Honest Hearts, Old World Blues, and Lonesome Road chapters.

[VaultPi]

I still say that Pun was pretty good for an expilog type bit of Veronica leaving the BOS to be with her true love at the Sierra Madre....

[Kataspie]

I suggested something simular called sappho-ly ever after

 

 

Awesome, I'm not the only one.

[devinpatterson]

Playing through and almost finishing Dead Money something occurred to me during the conversation with Christine and keeping in mind the bit where she mentions or symbolises that she is not leaving the Sierra Madre because she wants to make sure no one else can use it to hurt others.

 

But also bearing in mind that Father Elijah is the common factor between Veronica and Christine and that it is most likely Veronica that Christine was cut off from and vice versa.

 

I saw that verified in the wiki, it's definitely Christine.....pretty much a open and shut case.

 

it would actually make more sense to me to be able to offer Christine an alternate plan that would enable her to be able to come back to the Mojave and be reunited with Veronica.

 

I like that idea. I always thought there was so much more that could be done with Veronica and her history (especially the BOS aspects/Christine etc). But I'd suggest taking it a step further. The surgery that was preformed on Christine changed her fundamentally. I'm not just talking about the physical scars, but the fact that she thinks in numbers, dreams in formulas (paraphrasing, not sure if those are the exact quotes). That's Old World Blues technology from the Y-17 medical facility. I think she needs to go back and have things set right.

 

The plan? Offer Christine to take everything we can carry between us from Sinclair's vault.....The blow the place, Raze it to the ground. That way Christine can rest assured that no one else can use it for evil purposes yet she can get some healing TLC from Veronica and I get to have two of my favourite companions in the Mojave.

 

Sounds good except for looting the vault, crazy amount of wealth in there. But yeah, blowing the entrance would pretty much seal it forever.....I think the elevator shaft is the only way in. Pack the elevator with explosives timed to go off when it hits the bottom, synchronized with the explosives on top. Anyone trying to get in the vault after that will be SOL.

 

Knowing how things go though a mod like that would more likely be more work then it is worth. Just thinking out loud. (so to speak)

 

Doesn't sound too bad, mostly voice work and some AI packages. But to make it an interesting adventure there have to be obstacles to overcome. I can think of several in OWB to restore Christine. Items like a holotape of her operation, finding an advanced surgical procedure holotape that can guide the sink auto-doc (or alternately repairing the autodoc in Y-17 that did the original operation), possibly specialized medical supplies like bio-gel.

 

Or perhaps it will require the help of Doctor Mobious, or Dala and her advanced degrees in formology and neurological cognitive resonance. If so, you can bet they will want something done, an item retrieved, etc in trade.

 

But I think we need some challenges in dead money to flesh out the mod. That can be as simple as overcoming some ghost people....but I hope some one can think of something more interesting, to add to the mods flavor. Perhaps gathering the explosives involves entering a different area of the Sierra Madre and fighting or sneaking your way through to an armory Sinclair had setup to protect the resort.

 

Just out of curiosity did anyone see confirmation that the Sierra Madre is in Nevada? It seems like it would be since it has a casino.

 

Awesome, I'm not the only one.

 

Can you do Christine's voice (or a passable imitation) or know of someone that can? It wouldn't be absolutely essential, but it would really add to the mod.

 

I'd be willing to put this together.

Edited July 29, 2012 by devinpatterson

[Kataspie]

Playing through and almost finishing Dead Money something occurred to me during the conversation with Christine and keeping in mind the bit where she mentions or symbolises that she is not leaving the Sierra Madre because she wants to make sure no one else can use it to hurt others.

 

But also bearing in mind that Father Elijah is the common factor between Veronica and Christine and that it is most likely Veronica that Christine was cut off from and vice versa.

 

I saw that verified in the wiki, it's definitely Christine.....pretty much a open and shut case.

 

it would actually make more sense to me to be able to offer Christine an alternate plan that would enable her to be able to come back to the Mojave and be reunited with Veronica.

 

I like that idea. I always thought there was so much more that could be done with Veronica and her history (especially the BOS aspects/Christine etc). But I'd suggest taking it a step further. The surgery that was preformed on Christine changed her fundamentally. I'm not just talking about the physical scars, but the fact that she thinks in numbers, dreams in formulas (paraphrasing, not sure if those are the exact quotes). That's Old World Blues technology from the Y-17 medical facility. I think she needs to go back and have things set right.

 

The plan? Offer Christine to take everything we can carry between us from Sinclair's vault.....The blow the place, Raze it to the ground. That way Christine can rest assured that no one else can use it for evil purposes yet she can get some healing TLC from Veronica and I get to have two of my favourite companions in the Mojave.

 

Sounds good except for looting the vault, crazy amount of wealth in there. But yeah, blowing the entrance would pretty much seal it forever.....I think the elevator shaft is the only way in. Pack the elevator with explosives timed to go off when it hits the bottom, synchronized with the explosives on top. Anyone trying to get in the vault after that will be SOL.

 

Knowing how things go though a mod like that would more likely be more work then it is worth. Just thinking out loud. (so to speak)

 

Doesn't sound too bad, mostly voice work and some AI packages. But to make it an interesting adventure there have to be obstacles to overcome. I can think of several in OWB to restore Christine. Items like a holotape of her operation, finding an advanced surgical procedure holotape that can guide the sink auto-doc (or alternately repairing the autodoc in Y-17 that did the original operation), possibly specialized medical supplies like bio-gel.

 

Or perhaps it will require the help of Doctor Mobious, or Dala and her advanced degrees in formology and neurological cognitive resonance. If so, you can bet they will want something done, an item retrieved, etc in trade.

 

But I think we need some challenges in dead money to flesh out the mod. That can be as simple as overcoming some ghost people....but I hope some one can think of something more interesting, to add to the mods flavor. Perhaps gathering the explosives involves entering a different area of the Sierra Madre and fighting or sneaking your way through to an armory Sinclair had setup to protect the resort.

 

Just out of curiosity did anyone see confirmation that the Sierra Madre is in Nevada? It seems like it would be since it has a casino.

 

Awesome, I'm not the only one.

 

Can you do Christine's voice (or a passable imitation) or know of someone that can? It wouldn't be absolutely essential, but it would really add to the mod.

 

I'd be willing to put this together.

 

 

Whoa, I wasn't expecting someone with the skills to put it together to read this, thats a nice surprise. I'd happily voice it myself. Problem, my voice it way too different from Christine's original voice, mine is deeper and huskier (side effect from my testosterone levels going too high)

 

However, on the note of making a challenge to get Christine restored to her old self before surprising Veronica.

 

*goes into story mode (and this is including your ideas as well):

 

Offer Christine to line the elevator shaft with demolition charges from the vending machine along with the Vault and Vera's suite, effectively blocking off enterance to anyone else and or evidence it exists.

 

Objective: Convince Christine that returning to the Mojave is in her best interests. Two particular item you would need to complete that objective would be Christine's COS Recon Armour and her COS Silencer Rifle. Along with a line from the Courier (especially if you have a BOS rep and are a Paladin) "The BOS need you, good people like you, this fellow Paladin needs you, Veronica needs you." at which point she is convinced especially hearing the trigger words BOS, Paladin and Veronica. But that would be when she confides that "she's worried, would Veronica want her back as a battle scarred, no haired, unable to read or write......" which is (if you have completed OWB) returning to Big Mountain. As you are now the master. As such you can give the doctor's various tasks in helping to restore Christine and ease her worries.

 

Doctor 8 (Sound Waves) to work on an implantable voice module that restores her voice and not Vera's. Effectively wiping all physical memory of the Sierra Madre. Especially after giving him a copy of one of the recordings between Christine and Ulysses so that he has a sample of her voice to study in depth.

 

Dr Dala (Obsessed with "studying the Teddy Bear" and biological functions) to work on an implantable module to promote the hair on her head growing back.

 

and Doctor Mobius, after convincing him that Christine was there to take out the "troublesome visitor" which she and the Courier managed to do when they tracked him to the Sierra Madre, opts to work on an implantable module to restore her reading and writing capabilities.

 

Then due to the fact that Christine is traumatised from being locked in the auto doc. You can then take Christine and the impants created for her to Doctor Usanagi at the Vegas Clinic and have her install them.

 

But there would also be three quests to complete for the Doctors in Trade off. 1, go to the repconn factory and locate a voice module to replace Doctor 8's damaged one.

 

2, (based on Fallout 3 and adding a maybe new location) go to the institute in the Commonwealth to locate and undamaged and unused Droid body for Dr Dala, so that even if it is not the way she used to be she still has a resemblance of a biological body.

 

3. If you have a high enough medicine skill you can help Dr Mobius defeat is Mentat and psycho addiction and with a high enough science skill alter his programming that restores his short term memory and makes him more efficient?

 

That is all I can suggest for the moment.

[devinpatterson]

Whoa, I wasn't expecting someone with the skills to put it together to read this, thats a nice surprise. I'd happily voice it myself. Problem, my voice it way too different from Christine's original voice

 

Well if it's a popular mod, a voice actress might step up. Hopefully that will be the case, because I think with a character driven mod, having it voiced would really make it shine.

 

, mine is deeper and huskier (side effect from my testosterone levels going too high)

 

That sucks. Medical or TG......or you can just tell me to shut up and mind my business

 

Convince Christine that returning to the Mojave is in her best interests......Two particular item......Along with a line from the Courier.....are a Paladin)

 

I wonder if we should do an AND/OR. So if your a Paladin and/or have her items and/or make a high speech check (90) the adventure begins. That way we don't exclude players that didn't keep her items, or go through the complete BOS quest (to become a paladin).....the player effectively has 3 different ways to start the ball rolling.

 

But that would be when she confides that "she's worried, would Veronica want her back as a battle scarred, no haired, unable to read or write......" which is (if you have completed OWB) returning to Big Mountain.

 

Sounds good

 

Doctor 8 (Sound Waves) to work on an implantable voice module.....Dr Dala (Obsessed with "studying the Teddy Bear" and biological functions) to work on an implantable module to promote the hair....Doctor Mobius

 

Your ideas follow OWB's style closer than my suggestion of simply reversing the operation and have the additional advantage of more questlines.

 

Plus it might be interesting to see the progression.....first quest removes her scars, next one gives her hair etc. I think that would be an interesting progression to watch and better than my idea of a single operation.

 

Also the autodoc in the sink (when he's not dreaming of "shoe bones") can do cosmetic surgery. So he could be another way of accomplishing the removal of scars (possibly with a holotape needed).

 

take Christine and the impants created for her to Doctor Usanagi at the Vegas Clinic and have her install them....1, go to the repconn factory and locate a voice module to replace Doctor 8's damaged one.

 

Sounds good

 

go to the institute in the Commonwealth to locate and undamaged and unused Droid body for Dr Dala,.....3. If you have a high enough medicine skill you can help Dr Mobius defeat is Mentat and psycho addiction

 

Actually those might be better used in another mod I'm working on called Old World Blues Expanded. Check it out and see what you think. I like your ideas and I think you could really help me out on that mod too. I'm actually going to be making an update on a story idea for that one right after this post.

 

 

There will be a lot of crossover in either case. For instance I have new models for the OWB Mark I-VI protectrons and robobrains. The higher robobrains have 2 or 3 brains as well as being physically broader and more substantial. In addition there are the normal variety, the irradiated robobrains (green glowing brains) and a variation that is organically damaged (ie brain is failing, grayish and sickly) robobrain that is off the deep end.

 

So we'll have some assets that are already good to go.

 

Oh and in regard to "The Institute" I'm hesitant to touch that one, mostly because I don't think I could do it justice unless it was a whole mod based on it. Although not a lot of it is known, it seems like the crown jewel of that commonwealth. But your idea is similar to one I had for the OWB expansion I'm going to post on.....check it out if you get a chance, I'd love the input.

[darkus37]

Hey, just wanted to add my 2 cents. How about this, when you return from Dead Money, say a week goes by, and you get a message from Christine asking for your help. When you gained access to the Sierra Madre, Elijah also entered and place a large bomb within as a precaution if he was killed and had it linked to his life signs. When he dies either from the player's actions or by lack of air/food/water, it blew up and basically wiped out all the tech, effectively making Christine no longer needed to be a warden and damaging her voice box yet again (thus you can use whatever voice actor you want). The explosion will obviously not be shown, the only drawback is that this story is ruined if someone uses the COC command or one of the mods that allow travel to that area, unless a new cell is made that is a ruined Villa Fountain showing the damage. Taking up shelter in the abandoned BOS bunker, Christine wants to be returned to normal so that she can be with Veronica. The only place this can be done is in BigMT but Christine is very hesitant to step foot in that place again after what happened to her. You then travel to get the appropriate medical knowledge and after returning, take her to the Follower's clinic where she is "fixed". She then leaves to speak to Veronica and becomes a possible companion. Afterwards, if she and Veronica are in the same party together or both fired, you get comments from both of them that people in a loving relationship make. Edited July 30, 2012 by darkus37

[devinpatterson]

Hey, just wanted to add my 2 cents. How about this, when you return from Dead Money, say a week goes by, and you get a message from Christine asking for your help. When you gained access to the Sierra Madre, Elijah also entered and place a large bomb

 

It's an interesting idea of a stick instead of a carrot, but I'm hesistant to flatten the DLC, I like being able to add on quests and what have you to the Sierra Madre.

 

You then travel to get the appropriate medical knowledge and after returning, take her to the Follower's clinic where she is "fixed".

 

I'm leaning more toward having the restoration in OWB, simply because they have incredibly advanced autodocs (like the one that scooped out the couriers brain). But I do think it's a good idea to have Dr. Usanagi on the case for the mental trauma (following in Corporal Betsy's rehabilitation).

 

Afterwards, if she and Veronica are in the same party together or both fired, you get comments from both of them that people in a loving relationship make.

 

Yeah we'll definitely put some relevant dialog there. I was thinking maybe of making a slideshow at the end as well....to sum everything up. It'd probably be pretty corny, like maybe a slide of them hand in hand and another of them leaning toward each other for a kiss. Some dialog like;

 

"Who would have guessed that the courier that delieverd defeat to langus legate would be the same courier that delievered a long over due package.......love. That would be the second time a courier saved my life."-Christine Royce

 

Like I said campy, but I think it would be a good conclusion to the mod.