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Someone please help me!! :sad:

Tl;dr:
My game keeps crashing everytime an enemy becomes hostile and engages in combat.

Background:
I first noticed it during a custom quest in the mod "Helgen Reborn".

In the 3rd or 4th main quest of the mod (busting a slave trade operation), I reached the targeted bandit site ("Orphan's Tear") when all of a sudden the game crashed to desktop as the enemy npcs noticed me and turned hostile. At first I thought the crashes were caused by discovering the new target location, but after testing other areas it became apparent that any enemy interaction caused ctd.

When I use the console command tcai to turn off combat AI, the crashes stop. I can be recognized by an enemy, the enemy will turn "hostile" (appear as a red dot on the compass), but as long as it's not actually attacking anyone it seems the crash doesn't happen. As soon as I turn combat AI back on, instant ctd!

I don't know if it's a mod issue or memory issue.


List of mods:
Here's my plugins.txt. I don't think I have anything too script intensive except Helgen Reborn.

Skyrim.esm
Dawnguard.esm
Dawnguard.bsa
HearthFires.esm
HearthFires.bsa
Dragonborn.esm
Dragonborn.bsa
RelightingSkyrim.esp
Relighting Skyrim - Dawnguard.esp
Relighting Skyrim - HearthFire.esp
Relighting Skyrim - Dragonborn.esp
Relighting Skyrim - Update.esp
Feminine Females.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
AzarHair.esm
TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.bsa
My Home Is Your Home.esp
My Home Is Your Home.bsa
SoS - Civilization.esp
SoS - The Wilds.esp
UnechantedItems.esp
FlameAtronachArmor.esp
FullBootForKKSA.esp
Q Mannequins and More.esp
Q Mannequins and More.bsa
MLLY - MAIN HF.esp
MLLY - FEMALE HF.esp
LustmordVampireArmor.esp
LustmordVampireArmor.bsa
posesivecorpses.esp (the only mod I can think of that might be relevant to memory tweak issues)
SeranaEyeFixGreenEyes.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
Lightning Blaze Edge.esp
zz_GDRAHoods.esp
BloodWitchArmor.esp
BTRH_Tomoe.esp
Kitiara.esp
Kitiara.bsa
ViceroyInquisitor.esp
ViceroyInquisitor.bsa
Toad's Tera.esp
Rifle.esp
mjollfacelift-v4-1-Blonde.esp
BW Iona.esp
BW Ria.esp
Uthgerd.esp
DarkDiciple.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
Helgen Reborn.bsa


Additional game info:
- Save file is 15.7 MB, character lvl 60
- 133 hours played
- Skyrim version is 1.9.32
- all 3 DLCs installed
- non-Steam game, installed directly on computer
- graphics set to Low
- no SKSE or any other 3rd party launcher
- never installed custom quest mods prior to Helgen Reborn
- haven't installed any new mods since installing Helgen Reborn
- haven't done anything ingame other than that mod's quests before the crashing began
- never experienced "consistent" crashing prior to this


Things I've tried:
- Uninstalling Helgen Reborn mod (problem still occurs without mod)
- Reinstalling mod
- waiting 30+ ingame days to let the game clean up its clutter
- moving mod load order in plugins.txt to top

**I have no save file prior to the beginning of my current quest, so I can't go back to the previous one to test anything there (although I distincly remember being able to engage combat in that last previous quest)


Final thoughts
Like I said, I don't know whether this is a problem with the mod or a problem with game memory that just happened to occur when it did. If it's memory, I'm not sure where to start looking. From what I've read, 15.7 mb isn't too bad for save file bloating; and I thought my "Posessive Corpses" mod would help manage clutter (it deletes disarmed weapons from dead npcs when the game removes their bodies and also cleans up zombie ash piles). But I don't know much about how Skyrim manages that stuff and I've read stranger things happening to peoples' games.

If it's the mod, I thought maybe it might have something to do with the previous quest, which utilized a fighting tournament scenario that I'm guessing relied on a lot of modded script. I haven't done anything else ingame between my current quest and that last one. But what confuses me is that even when the mod is uninstalled, the crashes keep happening. In any case, this is the first custom quest mod that I've installed for this file. And everything about it was going smoothly right until this ctd happened. I'm discussing the problem with the mod author too; so far he's told me that it's not a common problem and must not be the mod's fault but rather an issue with memory or conflicting mods.

So if anyone can give me insight into what I can troubleshoot or what I should look for, please let me know! I'd really appreciate it; this is incredibly frustrating and I'm at a total loss of how I should approach it. And thank you for taking the time to read my long ass comment! :laugh: I've tried to keep it both concise and informative, but I've probably sacrificed the former for the latter.


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-DrGrimm

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Well I wouldn't be so sure, I own a legitimate copy, and I'm having the exact same issue, right down to it not happening when combat ai is turned off. only differences are the specific mods, and the fact that my character is just doing normal non mod quests. That said, I have noticed the CTDs almost invariably happen inside. So, anybody got any ideas how I could troubleshoot this? I'm guessing it's a specific combat mod that is conflicting, though if anyone has any other ideas I'd love to hear them at this point :)

 

Mod list copied from BOSS, apologies for lack of spoiler tags, I haven't posted on a forum properly for half a decade, I may have forgotten how to use certain features properly :P

 

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    • Note: Do not clean. "Dirty" edits are intentional and required for the mod to function.
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