When Mods Become Magnetic

[TheBrickDerp]

Hi, all! This is my first time reporting an issue to a forums. I'm currently trying to do a modded playthrough of New Vegas and there's one significant problem that keeps popping up (apart from the lack of quality karma mods!)

 

Basically, in some buildings, I will attempt to enter, only to be locked in place by all actors and props inside the building clinging to me. This can only be remedied by going into tfc, which even then only allows me to get a screenshot of the problem occurring. The affected buildings I've encountered so far include Doc Mitchells' home, the gas station in which Ringo holes out in Goodsprings, an abandoned shack from the CAM mod, and the NCRCF Administration building, the latter of which has so many actors and props makes the game freeze up due to resource-weight.

Edited March 17, 2017 by TheBrickDerp

[dubiousintent]

Yes, it's not normal behavior and likely a mod conflict. We can't do anything without information as to what you are using.

 

It's always useful to post your "Load Order" (LO) with your problem description. (Use the "Special BBCode" button in the Forum "Reply" menu bar as the third icon from the left in the top row, next to and left of the "Font" pick-list field to put the LO in "Spoiler" tags.) Screenshots are not the best way to convey your LO, because they usually can't include everything in one image. LOOT can copy your LO into a list suitable for posting on forums. (It's under the ":" with three dots to the extreme right in it's menu bar.) Most "mod managers" have a similar "LO List" capability. But the total number of mods you have installed in the DATA folder is also important, because even inactive plugins are counted against the so-called "140 cap". LOOT provides both numbers: active and total installed.

 

-Dubious-

[TheBrickDerp]

OH! I could've sworn I did when I posted this, lol. Sorry! Here we are:

*EDIT* I counted, in total, there's 106 mods, not counting the DLCs.

 

The bug was fixed for Doc Mitchells' home after I sorted the load order via LOOT, but I tested the NCRCF administration building and the same thing still happened.

 

 

0 0 FalloutNV.esm
1 1 DeadMoney.esm
2 2 HonestHearts.esm
3 3 OldWorldBlues.esm
4 4 LonesomeRoad.esm
5 5 GunRunnersArsenal.esm
6 6 ClassicPack.esm
7 7 MercenaryPack.esm
8 8 TribalPack.esm
9 9 CaravanPack.esm
10 a FreesideOpen.esm
11 b MoreChems.esp
12 c TheForum.esm
13 d NVWillow.esp
14 e More Traits.esm
15 f Project Nevada - Core.esm
16 10 Project Nevada - Equipment.esm
17 11 Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp
18 12 Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp
19 13 Decrucifixion.esm
20 14 MikotoBeauty.esm
21 15 NevadaSkies.esm
22 16 More Challenges.esm
23 17 KarmaFix.esp
24 18 outsidebets.esp
25 19 FreesideOpenPatch.esp
26 1a WeaponModsExpanded.esp
27 1b Alternative Start.esp
28 1c Primm Reputation Restored.esp
29 1d Decrucifixion.esp
30 1e Decrucifixion - More Victims.esp
31 1f Crossbow.esp
32 20 The Free Man.esp
33 21 MCL_Pre_warXbow.esp
34 22 XFO - 5eb - Skills - Barter - Hard.esp
35 23 XFO - 5ea - Skills - Barter - Mild.esp
36 24 XFO - 5db - Skills - Sneak - hard.esp
37 25 XFO - 5da - Skills - Sneak - mild.esp
38 26 XFO - 5b - Skills - SP Formula Rebalance.esp
39 27 XFO - 5c - Skills - Better Med Surv Repair.esp
40 28 XFO - 5a - SPECIAL & Stats Rebalance.esp
41 29 XFO - 4bb - Perks - Two Perks Per Level.esp
42 2a XFO - 4ba - Perks - Perk Every Level.esp
43 2b XFO - 4a - Perks - Paths.esp
44 2c XFO - 3ce - rarity - meds - easier.esp
45 2d XFO - 3cd - rarity - meds - vanilla.esp
46 2e XFO - 3cc - rarity - meds - hard.esp
47 2f XFO - 3cb - rarity - meds - med.esp
48 30 XFO - 6aa - Epic Skills - Effects Over 100 (NVSE req).esp
49 31 XFO - 6ba - Pacing - Mild (No Cap).esp
50 32 XFO - 6bb - Pacing - Med (No Cap).esp
51 33 XFO - 6bc - Pacing - High (No Cap).esp
52 34 XFO - 9da - Enemies - NPC Healing - low.esp
53 35 XFO - 9cb - Enemies - NPC Aim + high.esp
54 36 XFO - 9ca - Enemies - NPC Aim + low.esp
55 37 XFO - 9bb - Enemies - NPC Health + high.esp
56 38 XFO - 9ba - Enemies - NPC Health + low.esp
57 39 XFO - 3ca - rarity - meds - mild.esp
58 3a XFO - 8c - Karma Rebalance.esp
59 3b XFO - 8a - Cripple & Body Part Revamp.esp
60 3c XFO - 7c - UnMSG - Sneak Status.esp
61 3d XFO - 7b - UnMSG - Karma (Incl Sounds).esp
62 3e XFO - 7a - UnMSG - Empty.esp
63 3f XFO - 6be - Pacing - Vanilla (JUST No Cap).esp
64 40 XFO - 6bd - Pacing - Faster (No Cap).esp
65 41 XFO - 8b - Speed Increases.esp
66 42 XFO - 3be - rarity - caps - easier.esp
67 43 XFO - 3bd - rarity - caps - vanilla.esp
68 44 XFO - 3bc - rarity - caps - hard.esp
69 45 XFO - 1be - Dmg - Skill-Var - 2x.esp
70 46 XFO - 1bd - Dmg - Non-Var - 5x.esp
71 47 XFO - 1bc - Dmg - Non-Var - 3x.esp
72 48 XFO - 1bb - Dmg - Non-Var - 2x.esp
73 49 XFO - 1ba - Dmg - Non-Var - 1x.esp
74 4a XFO - 1ab - Accuracy Revamp - hard.esp
75 4b XFO - 1bf - Dmg - Skill-Var - 3x.esp
76 4c XFO - 1aa - Accuracy Revamp - mild.esp
77 4d XFO - 10b - Hardcore - Food&Drink (no healing).esp
78 4e XFO - 10ad - Hardcore - Hunger&Thirst - Easier (Half).esp
79 4f XFO - 10ac - Hardcore - Hunger&Thirst - High (5x) .esp
80 50 XFO - 10ab - Hardcore - Hunger&Thirst - Med (3x).esp
81 51 XFO - 10aa - Hardcore - Hunger&Thirst - Mild (2x).esp
82 52 XFO - 10c - Hardcore - Severe Penalties.esp
83 53 XFO - 9db - Enemies - NPC Healing - med.esp
84 54 XFO - 1bg - Dmg - Skill-Var - 5x.esp
85 55 XFO - 2ab - Armor - DR+DT - revamp - med.esp
86 56 XFO - 3bb - rarity - caps - med.esp
87 57 XFO - 3ba - rarity - caps - mild.esp
88 58 XFO - 3ae - rarity - ammo - easier.esp
89 59 XFO - 3ad - rarity - ammo - vanilla.esp
90 5a XFO - 3ac - rarity - ammo - hard.esp
91 5b XFO - 3ab - rarity - ammo - med.esp
92 5c XFO - 2aa - Armor - DR+DT - revamp - low.esp
93 5d XFO - 3aa - rarity - ammo - mild.esp
94 5e XFO - 2db - Bleedthrough - 5%.esp
95 5f XFO - 2da - Bleedthrough - 10% (from 20).esp
96 60 XFO - 2bc - Armor - DR+DT - simple - high.esp
97 61 XFO - 2bb - Armor - DR+DT - simple - med.esp
98 62 XFO - 2ba - Armor - DR+DT - simple - low.esp
99 63 XFO - 2ac - Armor - DR+DT - revamp - high.esp
100 64 XFO - 2dc - Bleedthrough - 0% (Full DT).esp
101 65 XFO - 9dc - Enemies - NPC Healing - high.esp
102 66 XFO - 9a - Enemies - AI revamp.esp
103 67 More Traits Update.esp
104 68 Dynamic and Rebalanced Karma v1.0.esp
105 69 BoostedSkills.esp
106 6a QS_Blackwolf_NV_Backpackmod.esp
107 6b OWBFullHazmat.esp
108 6c Saints & Sinners.esp
109 6d MikotoBeauty.esp
110 6e New VeronicaCass.esp
111 6f The Mod Configuration Menu.esp
112 70 BartonThornTrigger.esp
113 71 FNVLODGen.esp
114 72 NevadaSkies - Ultimate DLC Edition.esp

 

Edited March 17, 2017 by TheBrickDerp

[M48A5]

OH! I could've sworn I did when I posted this, lol. Sorry! Here we are:

 

*EDIT* I counted, in total, there's 106 mods, not counting the DLCs.

 

The bug was fixed for Doc Mitchells' home after I sorted the load order via LOOT, but I tested the NCRCF administration building and the same thing still happened.

 

 

0 0 FalloutNV.esm

1 1 DeadMoney.esm

2 2 HonestHearts.esm

3 3 OldWorldBlues.esm

4 4 LonesomeRoad.esm

5 5 GunRunnersArsenal.esm

6 6 ClassicPack.esm

7 7 MercenaryPack.esm

8 8 TribalPack.esm

9 9 CaravanPack.esm

10 a FreesideOpen.esm

11 b MoreChems.esp

12 c TheForum.esm

13 d NVWillow.esp

14 e More Traits.esm

15 f Project Nevada - Core.esm

16 10 Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

17 11 Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

18 12 Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

19 13 Decrucifixion.esm

20 14 MikotoBeauty.esm

21 15 NevadaSkies.esm

22 16 More Challenges.esm

23 17 KarmaFix.esp

24 18 outsidebets.esp

25 19 FreesideOpenPatch.esp

26 1a WeaponModsExpanded.esp

27 1b Alternative Start.esp

28 1c Primm Reputation Restored.esp

29 1d Decrucifixion.esp

30 1e Decrucifixion - More Victims.esp

31 1f Crossbow.esp

32 20 The Free Man.esp

33 21 MCL_Pre_warXbow.esp

34 22 XFO - 5eb - Skills - Barter - Hard.esp

35 23 XFO - 5ea - Skills - Barter - Mild.esp

36 24 XFO - 5db - Skills - Sneak - hard.esp

37 25 XFO - 5da - Skills - Sneak - mild.esp

38 26 XFO - 5b - Skills - SP Formula Rebalance.esp

39 27 XFO - 5c - Skills - Better Med Surv Repair.esp

40 28 XFO - 5a - SPECIAL & Stats Rebalance.esp

41 29 XFO - 4bb - Perks - Two Perks Per Level.esp

42 2a XFO - 4ba - Perks - Perk Every Level.esp

43 2b XFO - 4a - Perks - Paths.esp

44 2c XFO - 3ce - rarity - meds - easier.esp

45 2d XFO - 3cd - rarity - meds - vanilla.esp

46 2e XFO - 3cc - rarity - meds - hard.esp

47 2f XFO - 3cb - rarity - meds - med.esp

48 30 XFO - 6aa - Epic Skills - Effects Over 100 (NVSE req).esp

49 31 XFO - 6ba - Pacing - Mild (No Cap).esp

50 32 XFO - 6bb - Pacing - Med (No Cap).esp

51 33 XFO - 6bc - Pacing - High (No Cap).esp

52 34 XFO - 9da - Enemies - NPC Healing - low.esp

53 35 XFO - 9cb - Enemies - NPC Aim + high.esp

54 36 XFO - 9ca - Enemies - NPC Aim + low.esp

55 37 XFO - 9bb - Enemies - NPC Health + high.esp

56 38 XFO - 9ba - Enemies - NPC Health + low.esp

57 39 XFO - 3ca - rarity - meds - mild.esp

58 3a XFO - 8c - Karma Rebalance.esp

59 3b XFO - 8a - Cripple & Body Part Revamp.esp

60 3c XFO - 7c - UnMSG - Sneak Status.esp

61 3d XFO - 7b - UnMSG - Karma (Incl Sounds).esp

62 3e XFO - 7a - UnMSG - Empty.esp

63 3f XFO - 6be - Pacing - Vanilla (JUST No Cap).esp

64 40 XFO - 6bd - Pacing - Faster (No Cap).esp

65 41 XFO - 8b - Speed Increases.esp

66 42 XFO - 3be - rarity - caps - easier.esp

67 43 XFO - 3bd - rarity - caps - vanilla.esp

68 44 XFO - 3bc - rarity - caps - hard.esp

69 45 XFO - 1be - Dmg - Skill-Var - 2x.esp

70 46 XFO - 1bd - Dmg - Non-Var - 5x.esp

71 47 XFO - 1bc - Dmg - Non-Var - 3x.esp

72 48 XFO - 1bb - Dmg - Non-Var - 2x.esp

73 49 XFO - 1ba - Dmg - Non-Var - 1x.esp

74 4a XFO - 1ab - Accuracy Revamp - hard.esp

75 4b XFO - 1bf - Dmg - Skill-Var - 3x.esp

76 4c XFO - 1aa - Accuracy Revamp - mild.esp

77 4d XFO - 10b - Hardcore - Food&Drink (no healing).esp

78 4e XFO - 10ad - Hardcore - Hunger&Thirst - Easier (Half).esp

79 4f XFO - 10ac - Hardcore - Hunger&Thirst - High (5x) .esp

80 50 XFO - 10ab - Hardcore - Hunger&Thirst - Med (3x).esp

81 51 XFO - 10aa - Hardcore - Hunger&Thirst - Mild (2x).esp

82 52 XFO - 10c - Hardcore - Severe Penalties.esp

83 53 XFO - 9db - Enemies - NPC Healing - med.esp

84 54 XFO - 1bg - Dmg - Skill-Var - 5x.esp

85 55 XFO - 2ab - Armor - DR+DT - revamp - med.esp

86 56 XFO - 3bb - rarity - caps - med.esp

87 57 XFO - 3ba - rarity - caps - mild.esp

88 58 XFO - 3ae - rarity - ammo - easier.esp

89 59 XFO - 3ad - rarity - ammo - vanilla.esp

90 5a XFO - 3ac - rarity - ammo - hard.esp

91 5b XFO - 3ab - rarity - ammo - med.esp

92 5c XFO - 2aa - Armor - DR+DT - revamp - low.esp

93 5d XFO - 3aa - rarity - ammo - mild.esp

94 5e XFO - 2db - Bleedthrough - 5%.esp

95 5f XFO - 2da - Bleedthrough - 10% (from 20).esp

96 60 XFO - 2bc - Armor - DR+DT - simple - high.esp

97 61 XFO - 2bb - Armor - DR+DT - simple - med.esp

98 62 XFO - 2ba - Armor - DR+DT - simple - low.esp

99 63 XFO - 2ac - Armor - DR+DT - revamp - high.esp

100 64 XFO - 2dc - Bleedthrough - 0% (Full DT).esp

101 65 XFO - 9dc - Enemies - NPC Healing - high.esp

102 66 XFO - 9a - Enemies - AI revamp.esp

103 67 More Traits Update.esp

104 68 Dynamic and Rebalanced Karma v1.0.esp

105 69 BoostedSkills.esp

106 6a QS_Blackwolf_NV_Backpackmod.esp

107 6b OWBFullHazmat.esp

108 6c Saints & Sinners.esp

109 6d MikotoBeauty.esp

110 6e New VeronicaCass.esp

111 6f The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

112 70 BartonThornTrigger.esp

113 71 FNVLODGen.esp

114 72 NevadaSkies - Ultimate DLC Edition.esp

 

 

To get the correct count, you must count the DLCs, main game, any texture mods that are added directly to the Data folder and any disabled mods that are not removed from the Data folder.

[dubiousintent]

Suggest you read the wiki article "FNV General Mod Use Advice" first.

 

When there are multiple optional files that are variations of the same thing, you have to choose only one of them. Usually such mods have a wizard or require use of a specific mod manager (or the knowledge of how to correctly repackage them) to install correctly. Specifically, you have all the optional XFO files where you should have chosen only one of each, as for example:

44 2c XFO - 3ce - rarity - meds - easier.esp
45 2d XFO - 3cd - rarity - meds - vanilla.esp
46 2e XFO - 3cc - rarity - meds - hard.esp
47 2f XFO - 3cb - rarity - meds - med.esp

 

All four of these files are an option for one element of the game and you only should install one of them. This needs to be corrected through out your "load order". Note that this means you need to uninstall ALL of XFO (not merely "disable" because they overwrote themselves and possibly other files), "verify local files" from Steam, and reinstall all your mods.

 

I'm unfamiliar with XFO, but from comments on the download page I would not recommend it. For one thing, as pointed out there this is an "overhaul" last updated in 2011. (We have learned a lot since then.) It is apparently very difficult to uninstall (which is always a bad sign of poor mod making.) It breaks "Freeside Open", which means you need to choose between the two. The "web site" is an ad-soaked navigational nightmare. (I couldn't even find the download page; probably because I heavily filter out unknown and "third-party" sites and "cross-site scripting" I wasn't willing to disable.) And there are more updated alternatives to everything it offers with way fewer ESP files than consuming 1/3 of your "plugin cap" for a single mod.

 

-Dubious-

[TheBrickDerp]

After following the proper steps, it seems that, oddly enough, the CAM mod is the culprit... which is strange, because it doesn't seem to be a conflict, per se. CAM was one of the first mods I downloaded after MCM, Project Nevada, and Alternate Start, and this problem immediately happened after I activated CAM.

Looking in the mod comments on that page, a lot of people experience this bug, too, this junk vortex. Thank you for your help, all!

Edited March 18, 2017 by TheBrickDerp

[dubiousintent]

Assuming "CAM" is the "CAM - Chems Alcohol and Meds by SenterPat" mod (which is not decipherable from the "MoreChems.esp" filename but someone else reported the same problem), have you included the "CAM Patch" to fix the "junk tornado" as mentioned in the download page comments?

 

(FYI: Acronyms are tricksy. You should always spell out the full name followed by the acronym the first time you use it, for clarification.)

 

-Dubious-

Edited March 18, 2017 by dubiousintent